The Titles of the German Vassals after a CP Victory/Austrian dissolution?

This question might seem odd, but I haven't seen it asked before so I though I would ask, what titles would be granted to each of the new Client states assuredly formed after a CP Victory and Austrian civil war?

What I mean is would these new states become Kingdoms, Duchies, Principalities, Grand Duchies, etc? Some are obvious, such as Poland or the United Baltic Duchies, while others are a bit more complicated like Ukraine. What titles might the following states take?

  1. Belarus
  2. Ukraine
  3. Lithuania
  4. Slovakia (assuming a Austria break-up)
  5. Bosnia (assuming a Austria break-up)
 
This question might seem odd, but I haven't seen it asked before so I though I would ask, what titles would be granted to each of the new Client states assuredly formed after a CP Victory and Austrian civil war?

What I mean is would these new states become Kingdoms, Duchies, Principalities, Grand Duchies, etc? Some are obvious, such as Poland or the United Baltic Duchies, while others are a bit more complicated like Ukraine. What titles might the following states take?

  1. Belarus
  2. Ukraine
  3. Lithuania
  4. Slovakia (assuming a Austria break-up)
  5. Bosnia (assuming a Austria break-up)

White Ruthenian Democratic Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarusian_People's_Republic

Hetmanate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_State
Was talk of Kingdom of Ukraine with other German or Hapsburg on throne.

Kingdom of Lithuania
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Lithuania_(1918)

No telling on the other two with what would sure to be chaos following Hapsburg collapse.

Michael
 
Bosnia might be annexed by Croatia. Croatia might become kingdom, perhaps under some cadet branch of Habsburgs.
 
This question might seem odd, but I haven't seen it asked before so I though I would ask, what titles would be granted to each of the new Client states assuredly formed after a CP Victory and Austrian civil war?

What I mean is would these new states become Kingdoms, Duchies, Principalities, Grand Duchies, etc? Some are obvious, such as Poland or the United Baltic Duchies, while others are a bit more complicated like Ukraine. What titles might the following states take?
Well, in the Baltics there there could be the Kingdom of Lithuania, the Duchy of Courland, and the United Baltic Duchy (Latvia and Estonia, but could be renamed as the Duchy of Livonia). There's also the Kingdom of Finland and Kingdom of Poland candidates. Western Ukraine was being positioned as a Hetmanate, but whether that would spread to eastern Ukraine or Crimea is a crap shoot. Belarus would have probably been divided up between the Baltic, Polish and Ukrainian client states.

Slovakia's a crapshoot. Czech, Hungarian and Polish interests obviously cover the territory, and depending on what Germany itself is interested in it could be made a part of a Polish state, a sop to the Hungarians or made it's own client state.

Bosnia might go back to the Ottomans as a sop, given the Muslim demographics of the region. Maybe the Ottomans get both Albania and Bosnia to compensate for losses elsewhere in Asia.
 

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Well, in the Baltics there there could be the Kingdom of Lithuania, the Duchy of Courland, and the United Baltic Duchy (Latvia and Estonia, but could be renamed as the Duchy of Livonia). There's also the Kingdom of Finland and Kingdom of Poland candidates. Western Ukraine was being positioned as a Hetmanate, but whether that would spread to eastern Ukraine or Crimea is a crap shoot. Belarus would have probably been divided up between the Baltic, Polish and Ukrainian client states.

Slovakia's a crapshoot. Czech, Hungarian and Polish interests obviously cover the territory, and depending on what Germany itself is interested in it could be made a part of a Polish state, a sop to the Hungarians or made it's own client state.

Bosnia might go back to the Ottomans as a sop, given the Muslim demographics of the region. Maybe the Ottomans get both Albania and Bosnia to compensate for losses elsewhere in Asia.
I think Belarus would be a thing, to make sure the other client states remain weak, and considering Belarussian national identity being in it's cradle at this point in time, I could see Germany enjoying the idea of building a nation (especially to counter balance the puppets that already had a stronger national identity Before WW1). Courland, Livland and Estland would be given to the Baltic Germans as United Baltic Duchy.

Austria- Hungary wouldn't collapse because a victorious Germany wouldn't allow it. A weak Austrian Empire is easier to control than dozens of new competing states in this case. the more Austria comes to rely on Germany to keep the empire together, the better.
 
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Austria- Hungary wouldn't collapse because a victorious Germany wouldn't allow it. A weak Austrian Empire is easier to control than dozens of new cometing states in this case. the more Austria comes to rely on Germany to keep the empire together, the better.
OP's literally asking in the case of an Austrian dissolution, though.
 
On Austrian-Hungary, it implode by it self during 1917 and 1918
The Empire had extrem economical and military problems
There Members states expressed there wishes to be independent.
The Austrian Empore made last attempt to transformed the Austrian-Hungary into confederation
The Hungary Government completed miss understand the situation and refuse the proposal
In mean time the Czech and Slovakia declare there independence, while A-H Polish join new Kingdom of Poland that Germans establish
Also had Hungary a communist Revolution that overthrow Government while there oppressed Romanians and other minority uprise, follow by invasion by Romanian.
In end the German part of the Austrian-Hungary empire try to join the Weimar Republic, what refused by the Entente

on East europeans states the German Empire wanted to create

on Baltic states it unclear the got Kurland and Ober-ost but final plan was the locals would made referendum about future state
This map show some a proposals for future east borders of German Empire after Treaty of Brest-Litovsk
Mitteleuropa_ENG_Leg_wielgórski.PNG
 
I think Belarus would exist, white Russia, litva .. Vilno is the factor that legitimizes.
then with a duchy of Courland .. Latvia and Estonia you have rounded out what is the Baltic states

Ukraine .. could be a lot of things but I would assume sort of kingdom

IF AH doesn't survive - Croatia becomes its own

And I could see as another posted bosnia and Albania going back to the Ottomans, but.. and I will say a big but.. they didn't want to be apart of the ottomans .. so there you have a problem

Bulgaria would get more of Macedonia

Ottomans would gain lands in the east.

My only issue is Poland, I think more of Russia would be taken and some form of land given or rights given for sea access. and landlocked Poland is doomed to be a backwater and the poles really wont like that. now considering the Prussians are fraking Baltic polish who decided to say they were german, maybe Poland just gets absorbed in to Prussia outright .. the child eats the parent
 
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