Its not, thats just Austrian outside the German Confed
Which contains a little less territory then shown on the map(as far as I'm aware, the German confederation didn't conclude the entire Istrian peninsula
I think you're right
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Radetzky??
Allow me to use again this emotikon:
Radetzky had always been (and IOTL will always be until retired at age 91) a military man, with little or no truck with politics.
While I do not intend to un derestimate his qualities in the military field, I'd guess you are creating another Soult: a man who is intimately convinced that bayonets are good for any and every thing (including sitting on them
The other "bad" side of this appointment is that you are taking from the Austrian army the only man who has some good ideas to renovate it and keep it on its toes.
I should suppose you know what you're doing: still it's pretty hard for me to believe that Radetzky can be instrumental to reaching a stable situation in Europe.
Plenty of military men with seemingly no previous interest in politics can make it to the top- Napoleon, MacMahon....
Radetzky looks like a desparate choice. And he is. Austria is not going to survive this intact.
Radetzky moved quickly. His first act was to appoint a new cabinet. The first appointment to this was his chief-of-staff, Heinrich von Hess, as Minister of War. He also summoned all Hungarian noblemen in Vienna to see him and swear allegiance to the Kaiser. He was helped in this by Paul Anton III, Prince Esterhazy, whom he appointed Minister of the Interior.
In the coming days, German Austrians flocked to take up arms. Encouraged by their compatriot being in charge, and loyalty to the benign Ferdinand, Czechs too flocked to fight. The Austrians were without friends, but not without fighting spirit. Radetzky also called upon the Romanian Ioan Sterca-Sulutiu to stir up anti-Magyar trouble further east.
Further north, Soult was in serious trouble. Conscription had all but dried up in some provinces as men refused to fight for the usurper, especially as his war was going nowhere. Soultist police had already been chased out of stretches of Alsace, the Auvergne and the Basque country. His troops were fightin each other near Colmar as one faction declared, on the 14th March, for Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte.
The Prussians, ready to fight, were ploughing through Liege province. On the 12th March 1836, they retook the Right Bank of the Meuse definitively. To the east, the entire Francophone population of Verviers and Vise had been expelled from their towns, and were fleeing west. The area was to be Germanised as soon as possible.
But the most dramatic news came from an unexpected source. On the 16th March, tired of a war that most of them had not wished to be part of, and of their monarch's increasing determination to help France despite Swedish wishes, the Riksdag of the Estates deposed Charles XIV Johan in favour of his son, Oscar. Prussia, having made peace with Intermaria a week earlier, now only had to face the French and the Liegeois.
In the coming days, German Austrians flocked to take up arms. Encouraged by their compatriot being in charge, and loyalty to the benign Ferdinand, Czechs too flocked to fight. The Austrians were without friends, but not without fighting spirit. Radetzky also called upon the Romanian Ioan Sterca-Sulutiu to stir up anti-Magyar trouble further east.
Further north, Soult was in serious trouble. Conscription had all but dried up in some provinces as men refused to fight for the usurper, especially as his war was going nowhere. Soultist police had already been chased out of stretches of Alsace, the Auvergne and the Basque country. His troops were fightin each other near Colmar as one faction declared, on the 14th March, for Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte.
The Prussians, ready to fight, were ploughing through Liege province. On the 12th March 1836, they retook the Right Bank of the Meuse definitively. To the east, the entire Francophone population of Verviers and Vise had been expelled from their towns, and were fleeing west. The area was to be Germanised as soon as possible.
But the most dramatic news came from an unexpected source. On the 16th March, tired of a war that most of them had not wished to be part of, and of their monarch's increasing determination to help France despite Swedish wishes, the Riksdag of the Estates deposed Charles XIV Johan in favour of his son, Oscar. Prussia, having made peace with Intermaria a week earlier, now only had to face the French and the Liegeois.
That's quite true: a lot of military men has made it to the top, usually with bad-to-worse results. As I said, it's not just appointing Radetzky to a political role: after all, the man is and will always be faithful to the crown, and will never even think of a coup (which is a big plus when one start appointing generals and marshals
). The main problem I see is that the army looses the only good general. I want to see how this will go on (since my sympathies are not with Austria, I anticipate not being disappointed).What's happening in Milan and Venice? news of the Hungarian insurrection should have arrived by now
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The Prussians, ready to fight, were ploughing through Liege province. On the 12th March 1836, they retook the Right Bank of the Meuse definitively. To the east, the entire Francophone population of Verviers and Vise had been expelled from their towns, and were fleeing west. The area was to be Germanised as soon as possible.
Is this even acceptable in 19th century Europe?
I'd like to make the same comment - that's too much 20th century, and even during WWI and WWII a much more nationalistic Germany never did such things with Francophone populations, even in Alsace & Lorraine. It's one thing for late 19th century German supremacists to harass Poles or for 20th century Nazis to exterminate Jews and Poles whom they considered "subhuman", but in the 1830s that mindset was not developed yet, and even the Nazis regarded the French as a European "Kulturnation" that would not be treated that way.
It's not an issue of feelings of ethnic supremacy, it's a matter of Prussia wanting to clear out a troublesome population wo has twice revolted. I'm ashamed to say that these things had been done, such as when we deported the Acadians. Plus, the Francophone population of the Malmedy area did suffer linguistic repression under Prussian rule- it bizarrely led to a renewal of Walloon.
Oscar's Sweden was bound from the start to be a very different place from his father's. For starters, he had no desire to be so close to France- he'd spent so little time there as a child that he simply did not care. His first port of call after being invested as monarch was to send word to Peel. A liberal Sweden was in the making.
Soult was by now in serious trouble. How could he save face? It was clear to most that there was no such way. With Colmar already fallen to Louis-Napoleon, other towns followed: Quimper in Brittany, La Rochelle, Limoges.
Soult was by now in serious trouble. How could he save face? It was clear to most that there was no such way. With Colmar already fallen to Louis-Napoleon, other towns followed: Quimper in Brittany, La Rochelle, Limoges.
It is back!
hmm, now i can't remember what happened before. Wasn't there some kind of war with Prussia?
You and me both....France and Prussia's recalcitrant province of Liege are at war with Prussia-everyone else has dropped out. Marshal Soult is in control of France after a coup.
Ferdinand of Austria was neither a well man nor a particularly mature man. This was always fairly apparent. Now, fighting the Magyar insurgency as if he were the last man able to, Radetzky extracted a promise from the Kaiser on the 18th March 1836. He made Ferdinand swear to him that the Czech lands would form half of a dual monarchy regardless of the outcome of the war. This was not, however, publicised.
In the ethnically-mixed Burgenland, things were looking somewhat bloody. Magyars and German Austrians were engaged in horrific atrocities against each other, culminating in the burning of Sopron on the 19th March. But with the Magyars now flanked by German Austrians, Czechs, Slovaks and Romanian guerillas, it seemed as if the tide could turn at any moment.
In the ethnically-mixed Burgenland, things were looking somewhat bloody. Magyars and German Austrians were engaged in horrific atrocities against each other, culminating in the burning of Sopron on the 19th March. But with the Magyars now flanked by German Austrians, Czechs, Slovaks and Romanian guerillas, it seemed as if the tide could turn at any moment.
"Why are they abandonning me at such a time?" Soult lamented to Godefroi Cavaignac.
"Because, Sir, we seem to be as unwanted as what came before".
Marshal Soult was by now under no illusions as to what was to come. He knew that France didn't want his regime at all. He would leave if it were not for the war with Prussia. But maybe it was time to sue for peace.
He sent word on the 20th March 1836 to Peel, who received his letter four days later. The letter was to be passed onto the Prussians, and called for peace. Soult was ready to abandon the Liegeois to their fate- he simply did not care for them anymore. Why had he allowed himself to be dragged in? The new regime in Sweden had abandonned him too.
Whilst he waited, he made his plans to escape. The North was the only way free. His plan, created with the meticulous preparation of a military man, was a surreptitious journey to Le Havre and thus to Britain. He had to hope that it would not be required.
"Because, Sir, we seem to be as unwanted as what came before".
Marshal Soult was by now under no illusions as to what was to come. He knew that France didn't want his regime at all. He would leave if it were not for the war with Prussia. But maybe it was time to sue for peace.
He sent word on the 20th March 1836 to Peel, who received his letter four days later. The letter was to be passed onto the Prussians, and called for peace. Soult was ready to abandon the Liegeois to their fate- he simply did not care for them anymore. Why had he allowed himself to be dragged in? The new regime in Sweden had abandonned him too.
Whilst he waited, he made his plans to escape. The North was the only way free. His plan, created with the meticulous preparation of a military man, was a surreptitious journey to Le Havre and thus to Britain. He had to hope that it would not be required.
When Frederick Wilhelm III received the letter on the 30th March 1836, he himself felt somewhat relieved. It put him in a position of strength, and to boot meant he could save some face. In the east, the Poles were still proving to be difficult customers. On consultation with his advisors, he prepared a response. It demanded the following:
-That all French troops retreat from Liege.
-That France accept all the deported Francophones of Vise and Verviers.
-That France pay reparations equivalent to £3 million.
-That all French troops retreat from Liege.
-That France accept all the deported Francophones of Vise and Verviers.
-That France pay reparations equivalent to £3 million.