The Swedish Empire and Commonwealth.

After reading a bunch of posts and stuff, I've come to realize that this Time Line is much less plausible than I first thought, So I'm restarting this thing (The whole point is still to make Sweden an empire and super power (If Sweden gains some overseas colonies in the west indies at the same time all the better) So, how plausible is it for Gastav I Vasa to manage to conquer Denmark-Norway? Any good tactics (E.G. Guerilla warfare against the much more numerous Danes? Stuff like that?) If that is not plausible any other way where Sweden can conquer Denmark-Norway very early? (I've put this here so that older readers can give me tips (Consider all my previous posts ret-conned/Removed due to irrelevancy) on how to proceed with this.)
 

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If that is not plausible any other way where Sweden can conquer Denmark-Norway very early?

I don't think there is any real chance of Sweden conquering Denmark-Norway in any form before 1630 militarily.
1) Sweden was very poor, and with a very sparse population.
2) The army needed time to mature and evolve into the fighting machine it became on the battlefields of Poland in the 1620ies.

Before the 1630ies, the Danes had the upper hand, remember that the Danes captured the fortress of Elfsborg during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_War 1611-1613 war and recieved a ransom of 1 million Swedish rikdsdaler (roughly 25-26 tons of silver) for the fortress.

After 1630 anything can happen, and if Gustav II Adolf decides to turn towards the arch-enemy known as Denmark instead of towards Germany, who knows what might have happened.
 

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After reading a bunch of posts and stuff, I've come to realize that this Time Line is much less plausible than I first thought, So I'm restarting this thing (The whole point is still to make Sweden an empire and super power (If Sweden gains some overseas colonies in the west indies at the same time all the better) So, how plausible is it for Gastav I Vasa to manage to conquer Denmark-Norway? Any good tactics (E.G. Guerilla warfare against the much more numerous Danes? Stuff like that?) If that is not plausible any other way where Sweden can conquer Denmark-Norway very early? (I've put this here so that older readers can give me tips (Consider all my previous posts ret-conned/Removed due to irrelevancy) on how to proceed with this.)

There's one single oppotunity for a conquest of Denmark by Sweden and that are the Second Karl II Gustav War. If Copenhagen are conquered they can force a peace where the Swedish king are elected as King of Denmark-Norway while Frederik III of Denmark are banished to his Schlewig-Holsteinian possesions and Netherlands would be forced to accept it as they couldn't do anything to force the issue. Before and after that war there's no other oppotunities.
 
There's one single oppotunity for a conquest of Denmark by Sweden and that are the Second Karl II Gustav War. If Copenhagen are conquered they can force a peace where the Swedish king are elected as King of Denmark-Norway while Frederik III of Denmark are banished to his Schlewig-Holsteinian possesions and Netherlands would be forced to accept it as they couldn't do anything to force the issue. Before and after that war there's no other oppotunities.

What second war? The timeline is roughly He inherits tree wars, Kalmar war 1611–1613 whit Denmark, the fallout from Russo-Swedish War (1590–1595) and polish-Swedish war of 1600–1611

He fight Poland again [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]war of 1617–1618[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and on to [/FONT]Polish–Swedish War (1625–1629) then on to Battle of Breitenfeld September 1631 and after that Battle of Lech , Alte Veste and a final in the Battle of Lützen and end curtain out the king go.

Is there a war between Denmark and Sweden in the period 1613 and Torstenson war 1643 I don't know about?
 

Valdemar II

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What second war? The timeline is roughly He inherits tree wars, Kalmar war 1611–1613 whit Denmark, the fallout from Russo-Swedish War (1590–1595) and polish-Swedish war of 1600–1611

He fight Poland again [FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]war of 1617–1618[/FONT][FONT=&quot] and on to [/FONT]Polish–Swedish War (1625–1629) then on to Battle of Breitenfeld September 1631 and after that Battle of Lech , Alte Veste and a final in the Battle of Lützen and end curtain out the king go.

Is there a war between Denmark and Sweden in the period 1613 and Torstenson war 1643 I don't know about?

Sorry the "Karl X Gustavs andra danska krig"/Dano-Swedish War (1658–1660). I going to bed now, I seem to need it.
 
A thought: How about Charles IX of Sweden answering Christian IV of Denmark that he would drop his claim as King of Lapland if his Heir would be betroth whit one of Christian IV daughters and a lessening of the sound toll whit the consummation of the marriage (that would stand as fast as little Gustav is old enough, around 1610ish).

I would be tactical against King Sigismund claim in the Swedish throne to defuse a close neighbor like Denmark.

Is there any apparent problems whit this that I didn't thought about?
 
After reading a bunch of posts and stuff, I've come to realize that this Time Line is much less plausible than I first thought, So I'm restarting this thing (The whole point is still to make Sweden an empire and super power (If Sweden gains some overseas colonies in the west indies at the same time all the better) So, how plausible is it for Gastav I Vasa to manage to conquer Denmark-Norway? Any good tactics (E.G. Guerilla warfare against the much more numerous Danes? Stuff like that?) If that is not plausible any other way where Sweden can conquer Denmark-Norway very early? (I've put this here so that older readers can give me tips (Consider all my previous posts ret-conned/Removed due to irrelevancy) on how to proceed with this.)

It's hard to make Sweden a lasting superpower, due to its position surrounded by enemies and its low wealth and population. It is a very interesting subject, though. Keep at it!

On your question about conquering Denmark-Norway, it's hard as long as any of the major maritime powers (France, Britain, the Netherlands) are unoccupied. Conquering Denmark would give Sweden complete dominance over the Baltic, and the Baltic was the source of much of the wood and other materials that built the navies of the maritime powers. None of them want one country dominating something that is so important for them.

If Sweden can cut some kind of deal with one of the maritime powers, they might be able to pull it off. Maybe they exempt one country from paying the Sound Tolls in exchange for aid in conquering Denmark. It's not very likely that they are able to actually subdue Denmark before Gustav II Adolf comes around, given Denmark's large advantages in wealth and manpower. A surviving Gustav II Adolf is your best bet for a great Swedish Empire. Some kind of personal union with Poland later on would give Sweden the manpower needed to make their empire last. Hegemony over Northern Germany as a result of the Thirty Years' War would be very good as well.

What Sweden needs to get to make its empire last is a secure source of wealth and a manpower base comparable with the the other great powers. Both can be gotten by conquering Poland, but it's awfully vulnerable. Control of Northern Germany could fulfill these goals as well. A living Gustav II Adolf could very well achieve one of these goals.
 
A question: How much of an ASB would it be if Sweden invented the Minieball a few years before Swedish involvement in the Thirty Years War (And managed to keep it secret at least for the duration of the war)?
(The Swedish rifles would still be just as slow and all that)
 
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A question: How much of an ASB would it be if Sweden invented the Minieball a few years before Swedish involvement in the Thirty Years War (And managed to keep it secret at least for the duration of the war)?
(The Swedish rifles would still be just as slow and all that)

A bit to advanced rifle technology to be accidental invented. It might possible to find the intelligenta to design the right machine tools and find the right metallurgy to use, but it would not be a mass production. There is possibility of some fine craftsmanship that is surprisingly good from the 17th century. It would be some local gunsmith that found a good way to construct special rifles for hunting game. I don't even think the tactical thought to use rifle troops exist to utilizes even a single corps effective. And if you have such a skilled gunsmith making machine tools that advanced whit such good metal quality why don't you let him do light artillery that would be more effective on the battleground whit existing military doctrine?

Edited: Forgot the Leather cannon that were invented IOTL that were such a marvel weapon. So there is the possibility to do some advanced rifle and canon making but the problem lies in gunpowder. A more effective reliable gunpowder is needed.
 
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A bit to advanced rifle technology to be accidental invented. It might possible to find the intelligenta to design the right machine tools and find the right metallurgy to use, but it would not be a mass production. There is possibility of some fine craftsmanship that is surprisingly good from the 17th century. It would be some local gunsmith that found a good way to construct special rifles for hunting game. I don't even think the tactical thought to use rifle troops exist to utilizes even a single corps effective. And if you have such a skilled gunsmith making machine tools that advanced whit such good metal quality why don't you let him do light artillery that would be more effective on the battleground whit existing military doctrine?

Edited: Forgot the Leather cannon that were invented IOTL that were such a marvel weapon. So there is the possibility to do some advanced rifle and canon making but the problem lies in gunpowder. A more effective reliable gunpowder is needed.
So say that a hunter or a gunsmith/canon maker/whatever-is-needed-for-this-to-work invents the minie ball and a rifle for said ball/bullet (It still won't be nearly as effective as it will become, due to gunpowder issues) King Gustavus sees the potential in this new type of bullet and forms a sort of light skirmish unit (a prelude to modern day snipers or some-such) that are issued these new (And expensive? Most likely yes.) bullets and rifles and are tasked with targeting officers (Due to their greater accuracy (Unless the powder becomes an issue in accuracy as well?)... Would they get longer range from the bullet as well or..?) Suppose that this unit gains some fame (Officers Bane xP) with eliminating commanding officers... (and some potential Rivals to the King as well >:3) But the issue of good powder limits the effectiveness of said rifles and balls/bullets...
Would this help Sweden on its way to a superpower?
 
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So say that a hunter or a gunsmith/canon maker/whatever-is-needed-for-this-to-work invents the minie ball and a rifle for said ball/bullet (It still won't be nearly as effective as it will become, due to gunpowder issues) King Gustavus sees the potential in this new type of bullet and forms a sort of light skirmish unit (a prelude to modern day snipers or some-such) that are issued these new (And expensive? Most likely yes.) bullets and rifles and are tasked with targeting officers (Due to their greater accuracy (Unless the powder becomes an issue in accuracy as well?)... Would they get longer range from the bullet as well or..?) Suppose that this unit gains some fame (Officers Bane xP) with eliminating commanding officers... (and some potential Rivals to the King as well >:3) But the issue of good powder limits the effectiveness of said rifles and balls/bullets...
Would this help Sweden on its way to a superpower?

In short: NO.

it is far to easy to adapt battlefield tactics to counter well trained skirmishers. To retain the great power status Sweden have to utilize its advantage in technology whit a stronger industrial base and whit a lot more troops (more population).
 
I give up, consider this thread abandoned by me from this point onwards.
Why can't you remove your own threads? -.- (As in me removing this thread, not you guys removing your threads)
 
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