The Sun, The Stars and The Sickle: Alt-WWII and a Tripolar Postwar World

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Alright, I at last have some troop and tank figures down; aircraft, artillery and naval forces to follow:

Do tank numbers look low? Yes. This is only the first third of 1942, and the Allied nations are all hampered by production and shipping lag. Do let me know if anything looks waaay off.

Republic of China

National Army: 9-11 million; about 8m of which are actually mobilized. Approximately 1.5m in southwest China, 500k in northwest, 3m in southeast and 3m in central-east. Approx. 2-5K German "advisors"

Tanks of all types: 9 500, breaking down into:

7 000 light (Pz. I, Pz. II, BT-7)

2 400 medium (mostly Pz. III and IV)

100 heavy (T-35)

Union of China

Union Army: Approximately 2m strong, but many lacking adequate training and weapons. Mainly in northeast.

Tanks:

Model 1 Light Tank (M3 Stuart): 150

Model 1 Medium Tank (M3 Lee): 100

Empire of Japan

IJA:

Kwantung Army (Hata) (inclusive of Korean, Manchukuo and Mengjiang volunteers): 400 K
1st China Expeditionary Army (Terauchi): 500 K (including Taiwan)
2nd China Expeditionary Army(Yamashita): 300 K in Malaya, Indonesia, Hainan, Burma, and South Seas Mandate
Home Islands (Tanaka): 1.5 M

Tanks (servicable)

800 Ha-Go light tanks
700 Type 97/99 Chi-Ha medium tanks
250 Type 1 Chi-He medium tanks

British Empire

East China (Auchinleck) 180 K including Australians (Morshead), Canadians (Symonds) and South Africans (Pienaar).

Hong Kong (Maltby) 50 K

Malaya (Percival) 130 K (inc New Zealanders and Gurkhas)

Burma (Monty) 75 K

India (Wavell) 200 K in varying states of readiness

Tanks

Light

Mark VI: 600


Infantry

Matilda: 1 000

Valentine: 400


Cruiser

Covenanter: 200

Crusader: 150

United States & Bloc (excluding UoC)

US Army (MacArthur) 300 K

USMC (Vandergrift) 75 K

Philippines: 50 K

Brazil: 10 K (some en route from Brazil)

Tanks:

3 350 M3 Stuart light tanks
900 M3 Grant/Lee medium tanks
400 M4 Sherman medium tanks
 
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Just a couple of comments: 1) Under British tanks, you have Churchills listed as a cruiser tank. If this is roughly the same as the OTL Churchill, it should be an infantry tank. Perhaps you wanted Crusader cruiser tanks (OTL not used outside of North Africa)?

2) Under UoC, you note tank forces included with US numbers, but then specifically exclude UoC in the US section....
 
Just a couple of comments: 1) Under British tanks, you have Churchills listed as a cruiser tank. If this is roughly the same as the OTL Churchill, it should be an infantry tank. Perhaps you wanted Crusader cruiser tanks (OTL not used outside of North Africa)?

2) Under UoC, you note tank forces included with US numbers, but then specifically exclude UoC in the US section....

I think the exclusion is for in terms of number of soldiers available to the US Military
 
There are two more issues I should explain:

1. What of France?

Most of her troops remain in Algeria, but approximately 30k have been dispatched to Indochine. Chiang has no interest in invading, as that would tie down more of his own troops and create a broader front to defend. It would do the RoC little good to hold it either.

2. Why does Chiang not just take Hong Kong?

He could- the National Army is better prepared and better led than it was at the time of the Four Winds Offensive. However, Chiang is showing a rare display of restraint here. Why?

Hong Kong is too small to allow the British Empire to stage much in the way of troops and equipment capable of mounting an offensive- as of now, it really can't be used to mount an attack on Guangzhou. It also has the advantage of tying up a lot of British and Japanese troops, ships and aircraft to defend- troops that now can't be used to defend Malaya and Burma or invade Nanking. If the British abandon Hong Kong, then the RoC can march in and take Xianggang relatively easily and bloodlessly. If they don't, it continues to be a drain on Allied resources. Britain doesn't want to give Hong Kong up- it was too profitable before, and is an important link in the chain of bases now, so the former is not likely.
 
That, and attacking Hong Kong means walking right into the sights of Japanese and British battleship guns.

Well spotted!

Attacking battleships is also something the National Army is not well-equipped to do. The National Army lacks air-droppable torpedoes or AP bombs larger than 250kg, and so do the Germans. The Germans are also not willing to share research on radar-guided bombs or missiles that they are working on.
 
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I have caught up again. Honestly given the level of chatter in this thread I was sure there would be more updates accumulated over these months. Still I know writing fiction on public access websites is a thankless job so mainly I am just happy it is steadily rolling on, so many works die early or worse late.

I mostly liked the updates, I feel you go too much in-depth with the numbers of troops and such, I mostly gloss over that. Indeed I feel we are focusing a bit too much on the alt-WW2 which is keeping us from the tripartite cold war which to me is the main allure of this setting. Lastly as a hope for the future when the cold war does come, I hope it is fierce and mutual. I would honestly find it exceedingly disappointing if the Imperial block is just a bigger France, in that it is overwhelmingly with the US (NATO) but likes to throw a tantrum now and again. I want to see Imperials and US dicking each other over in 3rd world countries and proxy wars.

Thanks for making this and keep up the good work Waterproof ;)
 
I have caught up again. Honestly given the level of chatter in this thread I was sure there would be more updates accumulated over these months. Still I know writing fiction on public access websites is a thankless job so mainly I am just happy it is steadily rolling on, so many works die early or worse late.

I mostly liked the updates, I feel you go too much in-depth with the numbers of troops and such, I mostly gloss over that. Indeed I feel we are focusing a bit too much on the alt-WW2 which is keeping us from the tripartite cold war which to me is the main allure of this setting. Lastly as a hope for the future when the cold war does come, I hope it is fierce and mutual. I would honestly find it exceedingly disappointing if the Imperial block is just a bigger France, in that it is overwhelmingly with the US (NATO) but likes to throw a tantrum now and again. I want to see Imperials and US dicking each other over in 3rd world countries and proxy wars.

Thanks for making this and keep up the good work Waterproof ;)

A Three Way Dicking Event. My God the Proxy wars are going to be Glorious!
You have the Soviet Union who Both The Imperial Block and the Freedom Block would Ally against but with no Soviet Block around in some areas there is going to be Interesting Proxy Wars Between The Imperial Block and the Freedom Block.

It'll be interesting that'll be for sure.

Also I'm fairly Curious about what Germany would look like in this timeline. I doubt it would just be East and West. With Germany Being split between The Freedom, Imperial and Soviet Block.
However again when it comes to Europe I believe the USA would Aid the Imperial Block against the Soviet Union. Or maybe it would aid the Soviet Union again the Imperial Block it really would depend on who started the war... Hmm that would be interesting.

I get the Feeling Anti-Communist Attitudes are going to eb Far more Prelevent in Europe after the Cold war that is for Certain.
 
I have caught up again. Honestly given the level of chatter in this thread I was sure there would be more updates accumulated over these months. Still I know writing fiction on public access websites is a thankless job so mainly I am just happy it is steadily rolling on, so many works die early or worse late.

I mostly liked the updates, I feel you go too much in-depth with the numbers of troops and such, I mostly gloss over that. Indeed I feel we are focusing a bit too much on the alt-WW2 which is keeping us from the tripartite cold war which to me is the main allure of this setting. Lastly as a hope for the future when the cold war does come, I hope it is fierce and mutual. I would honestly find it exceedingly disappointing if the Imperial block is just a bigger France, in that it is overwhelmingly with the US (NATO) but likes to throw a tantrum now and again. I want to see Imperials and US dicking each other over in 3rd world countries and proxy wars.

Thanks for making this and keep up the good work Waterproof ;)

Thank you!

While I have had to put most of my creative energy into my business as of late, rest assured I have not given up on this TL!

I would definitely not call it a thankless endeavour either- I'm still amazed at and grateful for the overwhelmingly positive reception it has been getting.

I also apologize for the wallop of troop numbers- it was a reader request. One thing I feel like I am not very good at writing is ground battles; I always feel like my descriptions are too clinical.

It's a challenging time in the TL now, as a lot is happening at once, and what is happening now will be very important later- the setup will hopefully pay off in the way I intended!
 
Netaji's Journey
AN: Very short micro-update but more on the way soon!

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The shores of Lake Manchar

Sindh, British India

April 6th, 1941

6:41 AM

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THE sun rose over the lake this morning, much like any other. The fishermen cast their nets out into the water, barely pausing to look up at the flying boat making a landing on the water. The Dornier Do-26, wearing nearly accurate Italian civil markings landed on the lake, arousing little attention.

Little attention to all, except for Subhas Chandra Bose and his guards. At last, the time had come to leave his native India for Germany. It had become far too dangerous to remain in India- the escalating war in China and Japan's worsening position caused Britain to send more troops to India. Independence was necessary, but there was no good Bose could do for the movement if he were imprisoned or dead.

The journey westwards had been long and hard, from car to train to truck to car again, and finally to now- the rendezvous and exfiltration; where Bose would finally get to meet with Hitler. At long last, real progress could be made towards independence, especially once the Japanese could be pushed back into Manchukuo and Chinese attention focused on the remaining colonists.

Much like how the journey to independence had only just begun, much of Bose's own journey remained. The dinghy being paddled out to him would carry him to the flying boat, which would fly as far as the Black Sea, where it would be refueled by a commandeered Bulgarian tanker under a false Greek flag before making the final leg of the journey to Germany.

This, hoped Bose, would be the end of the beginning...
 

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Found a good picture of what the Amagis might look like.
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Unfortunately, this is without any of the advanced radars that TTL's Amagi would have.
 
What a Difference a Year Makes
Berlin, National Socialist Germany

April 9th, 1942

4:52 PM



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Bose and Himmler in a moment of levity


SUBHAS Chandra Bose was being feted on the anniversary of his escape from India and arrival back to Germany. At his side was his German "companion", Emilie Schenkl, whom he had not seen in years. It should have been a happy occasion, but for Bose, it remained fraught with disappointment.

Bose had only managed to meet with Hitler once, and the meeting was shockingly unproductive. Hitler was visibly agitated, and had his personal physician, Dr. Morell behind him the entire time. He ranted almost uniterrupted, not so much to Bose than at Bose for an hour and a half before abruptly adjourning the meeting. The Führer had promised a follow-up meeting, but every time the date drew close, some event on the Eastern Front prevented that from happening.

Bose felt similarly slighted by other officials of the Reich. His liaison with the Indische Sonderrefferat ("Special Bureau for India") was the ambitious young diplomat Adam von Trott zu Solz. Trott zu Solz seemed to have little time for and little interest in Indian affairs, and seemed to be in a perpetual state of either coming or going; seldom remaining with Bose for long. Matters related to training the Indian Legion, as of now around 2 000 who had departed India via China and the Soviet Union in years prior, seemed to be low on Trott zu Solz's list of priorities too. That was just as well, in Bose's estimation, as Trott zu Solz and Emilie could not stand each other. As Bose and Emilie Shenkl were married in a secret Hindu ceremony, Trott zu Solz refused to accept that they were actually married, and regarded Emilie as a grifter, attempting to profit from the lifestyle Trott zu Solz characterized as "extravagant" and Bose as "comfortable". Word had it that Trott zu Solz's excuse for not attending this ceremony was another meeting with Colonel Count Claus von Stauffenberg or some of the other influential military officers and diplomats that made up his social circle.

Still, thought Bose, his treatment could be worse, and it was certainly better than that received by other leaders of "liberated peoples". One needed only look at Colonel Vidkun Quisling, who absolutely nobody took seriously. This was a matter not helped in the slightest by Quisling's extreme arrogance and precisely zero military or political accomplishments. Even Goebbels, Quisling's former champion, now regarded him as something of an embarrassment and tried to be seen with him as little as possible. Hajj-Amin Al-Husseini, the fiery Mufti of Jerusalem who had recently been exfiltrated was regarded as a useful political and propaganda ally, but that was about the extent of it. Bose felt a clear sense of certainty that he was now one of the most important of Germany's allies.

Still, it was nothing like the cordiality with which the Allied nations treated each other. There would be no portrait of Bose by Karsh of Ottawa. There would be no translated radio broadcasts like those given to the people of Britain by King Haakon and Crown Prince Olav of Norway. There would be nothing like the lighthearted film clip of Lord Sempill and Prince Chichibu tossing a rugby ball back and forth, nor the lavish banquets which Roosevelt and Vargas threw for each other and each other's delegations. Bose, unlike Wu Peifu, was also not likely to be the favoured candidate for Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" for 1942. Granted, his book, The Indian Struggle, translated into German, was seeing surprising sales success lately.


It was no secret that as Bose's star rose, Chiang Kai-Shek's was falling. Chiang was increasingly unreliable, and ever more demanding. The situation in China is one that was not supposed to have happened. What was supposed to have happened was China, with its German trained army and German patterned equipment, was to have crushed the Japanese puppet states in the Northeast and retaken Manchuria's industrial capacity, before pushing the British and Americans into the sea. Then, Burma and Indochina would fall, followed by crushing Malaya, and the Allies begging for terms. What was not supposed to happen was a three-sided Chinese civil war, and the breakaway Union of China now in a position to attack Nanking. Chiang was swift to blame the failures on bad German advice, and shifted responsibility for the blame to his German advisors. Eichmann received the brunt of the accusations, and was currently in a state of limbo- not yet recalled to Germany although he was expected to be, yet removed from all posts of authority by Chiang, who refused to allow Eichmann in his presence. Falkenhausen, who disliked Eichmann anyway, made no attempts to sway the Generalissimo's thoughts. While never fully a subscriber to all of the tenets of National Socialism, Chiang was now openly oppositional to them. He famously stated: "Of course I know there are Jews in Guangzhou and Shenzhen! I don't care in the slightest! I will do precisely nothing to answer the question, nor will I be made to do anything about it!". This was decidedly not the sort of ally Germany was looking for. Even worse for Sino-German relations was Chiang's open feuding with Himmler. Chiang and Himmler despised each other, and "despicable" was just about the most charitable adjective that Madame Chiang could conjure up for the Reichsfuehrer-SS. Madame Chiang was rumoured, albeit reliably rumoured to have said "That disgusting creature! If I looked like him, I would not speak so loudly about the 'Master Race'! Perhaps what lit the fire within him is a deeply-rooted envy of what he desires, yet is out of his reach!" Himmler, although furious upon learning of this, remained silent about it, seemingly concerned with other matters.

The one bright spot in the whole affair was the success the Chinese National Army was now enjoying in Burma. Much of the north of Burma had now fallen into Chinese hands, and General Li's forces now began to open the jaws of great pincers to the east and northeast of Rangoon. Repeated Allied bombing efforts had failed to cut off the Burma Road, and with Lashio now in Chinese hands, the railhead between Rangoon and the interior was now in Chinese hands. Montgomery would have little choice but to retreat south, severed from the easier route into India, or be forced to attempt a seaborne evacuation. The Allies would be far too arrogant if they expected they would get away with another Dunkirk Miracle. The campaign to crush Malaya, defended by the outnumbered Yamashita and Percival would be a few weeks' worth of distraction. From there, the National Army would link up with the Indian border, and true progress could be made in effecting Indian liberation, with Bose leading from the front. Britain, France and Japan, stripped of blood and treasure, would beg for, and would be denied by the Americans for help in retaining their colonial holdings, causing the coalition to fracture. Even in these trying times, that seemed the likeliest course.


On the matter of Himmler, it was with him that Bose found an unexpected ally. Himmler was utterly fascinated by Aryan symbology, and India was rich with it. The Swastika was itself of Indian origin, and this in particular transfixed Himmler, who even went so far as to prepare archaeological teams to comb India for "ancient Aryan artifacts" after India's liberation. His views were not entirely aligned with Bose's. Bose could not help but wince whenever Himmler would begin to disparage South Indians; splitting the country into "Indo-Aryan" and "Indo-Dravidian" divisions was no better than what any other conqueror had done. However, Himmler's seemingly genuine interest was something Bose was not yet used to, and was indeed welcome.

When Himmler, in his black SS uniform approached Bose at the party, he could not help but feel a sense of importance. Himmler offered a Nazi salute, which Bose returned enthusiastically.

"Heil Hitler!" greeted Himmler "And a hearty congratulations!", an uncharacteristically non-specific phrasing for Himmler.

"Heil Hitler" said Bose, returning the salutation. "To what do I owe the honor of your presence?"

"Good news this time!" stated a smiling Himmler. "I have spoken to the Fuehrer as of late, and in two weeks' time, you will surely be able to meet with him! I have arranged it through Bormann so we will both be in his presence; given the situation in the Far East, I thought it important that we deal with this matter now. The new offensive against the Bolsheviks will start soon, so we must do this with as great a haste as possible, as my attention and the Fuehrer's will necessarily be devoted to matters there. I'm sure you understand."

"Indeed I do" said Bose, somewhat disappointed. "I am grateful and most pleased that you were able to arrange such a meeting"

Before Bose could continue, Himmler announced excitedly "And not just that! The Indian Legion will become very important in the days to come! I am of the mind that certain very important people are having their potential wasted in China, and would be far more effective in promoting our interests in India. Between us, I believe only Aryan peoples can fully understand and internalize the importance of our struggle! Heavy weighs the yoke of English oppression, and their favour of the Dravidians at the expense of the Aryans and-"

Bose interrupted this tangent, interjecting "Who was this person you had suggested? I have expressed my concerns to you about the Bureau, so I am hoping it may be... someone from outside that circle"

"Oh, not to worry, it is one of my handpicked best" said Himmler, practically beaming. "Eichmann!"
 
Found a good picture of what the Amagis might look like.
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Unfortunately, this is without any of the advanced radars that TTL's Amagi would have.

Ah, a great find! That could be an artists' impression of what they may have looked like after their 1937-1939 reconstructions while they were ongoing. The British-made radar sets were fairly late additions, only being installed in 1939 on both Amagi and Akagi.
 
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