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I need help figuring out who Mosley would have as cabinet minsters, chief of the army, chief of navy, etc etc. Any help on figuring out can fill these roles is very needed and thanked
The Sun Rises Yet Again
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Honestly I don't know if a *Fascist WWII victory after Germany wins WWI has been done.
No, I've legitimately never seen a TL exploring a victorious Fascist Entente. Could be interesting.
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Oh, thank you. The idea came to me playing Kaiserreich and imagining instead of Syndicalist a far right ideology taking hold of Britain
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Daily Reminder That PRIME MINISTER Oswald Mosley Is Always Watching You
Yes, I will be posting this every day
Yes, I will be posting this every day
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Daily Reminder That PRIME MINISTER Oswald Mosley Is Always D I R E C T L Y R U L I N G Y O U F R O M L O N D O N
The Flame Is Kindled
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The Sun Rises Yet Again
Chapter 4: The Flame Is Kindled
December 8, 1924
Today, all across Britain, many anti-VU rallies are being staged and future ones are in the works, the political tension remains. Mosley cares little however, he has an important meeting before he convenes with his cabinet in an unofficial meeting. He gets in his car with his chauffeur and drives to Camberley Staff College to meet with J. F. C. Fuller. Mosley had noted the rise of this man, he was a war hero, this combined with his revolutionary theories on warfare had been more than enough to captivate him, however he had naught an opportunity due to all the time taken by politicking and campaigning. Now he finally had time and he was going to have a talk with this promising candidate for the Chief of Imperial General Staff. He reaches the college and asks to speak with Fuller in private, soon he is face to face with him. They are guided to a room where they can talk in private, they enter, the door closes and they sit in chairs apart each other. Fuller speaks first, the eagerness apparent in his voice, like a fanatic meeting his idol.
J. F. C. Fuller
"Hello Your Excellency Oswald Mosley. I must tell you, I am an ardent supporter and am proud to call myself a Vickie. Now not to be rude, but why have you called me?"
Oswald Mosley
"Firstly, I thank you sincerely for your support and am glad to have someone such as you on my side. And now to your question, I have requested your audience today as I have wished to do so for months now but have been unable to, now that you're here I would like to propose an offer."
J. F. C. Fuller
"What is it?"
Oswald Mosley
"I would like for you to be my Chief of Imperial General Staff. I have read your history of combat in the Second Boer War and in the Great War as well as your book, "Tanks in the great war". I know that you've earned the nickname, "The English Hammer", for your victory against the Germans at Tours in 1914. I also know you've been championing for a new theory on how war is fought. I've read extensively on your Nineteen Principles, the Organisation of Force and the Unity of the Principles of War. I've thought and discussed your calls for mass mechanisation of the army and a shift away from static trench warfare to fluid and fast moving front lines. I'm impressed by it all. You are the perfect man for the job. If you accept, I shall back you on most anything and provide whatever assistance I may in helping you push these reforms and achieve this modern army you envision. So, what do you say Mr. Fuller?"
J. F. C. Fuller
"Why Your Excellency, I would be honored to accept such a position! When would I take command of the office?"
Oswald Mosley
"Immediately. There is much work to be done and not much time to do it in. We must waste nary a minute."
J. F. C. Fuller
"I see, I shall begin packing my belongings at my residence and pen my resignation to the headmaster. I suspect this shall take some time but I shall be in London before Christmas."
Oswald Mosley
"Be careful Fuller, the last time it was said that something would be done by Christmas, the Empire was undone."
J. F. C. Fuller
"Ha ha! It is good to know you have an equally black and cynical sense of humour. Life would be so much harder without it."
Oswald Mosley
"Good day Mr. Fuller, I am anticipating seeing you in London very soon"
Mosley leaves the college and heads back to London, he must meet with his cabinet in a meeting to discuss how they will move forward. He arrives at 10 Downing Street. Mosley reaches the meeting room and enters, everyone is waiting. He sits down and begins to speak
Oswald Mosley
"Hello gentlemen, welcome to the first meeting, official or unofficial, of our cabinet. I'm sorry I am late, but I had to make time for a visit to secure our future Chief of Imperial General Staff."
Arthur Kitson
"Who is it?"
Oswald Mosley
"None other than 'the English Charles Martel' himself."
William Joyce
"J. F. C. Fuller? Quite the catch, if I must say so myself."
Oswald Mosley
"Indeed, but enough of small talk, let us begin our discussion on what our course of action is. Who wishes to go first?"
Arthur Kitson
"I would like to. As we all know, we've been in a depression for some time now, if we can end it our popularity would skyrocket even further. It will also allow us to pursue our more ambitious goals. To do this we have to start by passing some tariffs, regulations and other protectionist measures. For far too long the economy has suffered underneath the laissez-faire measures the previous governments pursued. We also need a serious revamping on how the economy and the state function in tandem with another. Obviously, we need to take it slowly so we don't get overruled early on. I suggest we start by pushing through some tariffs to get things started. Maybe you can send Joyce to Canada to improve relations?"
William Joyce
"Why Canada? At the moment their economy is doing worse than ours."
Arthur Kitson
"It's a diplomatic move, not an economic one, at least in the most immediate sense. It's to show the Americans we won't be coming across the Pond to take anything else, show that apart from whatever we still hold in the Caribbean and Atlantic, the New World is their's. The last thing we want is hostile or even cold relations with the Americans."
Oswald Mosley
"Very well. Who is next"
Ronald Ross
"I would like to. Disease and hunger are massive problems, especially in the cities. Our farmers are struggling to even keep themselves afloat as prices have fallen through the roof. In response, they've started destroying their crops and tossing food away to artificially inflate the price. This is wasteful and I have an idea that could help their economic problems somewhat and combat the malnutrition and hunger plaguing the poor. We would ask farmers to give us whatever food they were going to toss and give it to the poorest members of society. This is a win-win as it increases demand for food as there is less supply and the people we are giving it to wouldn't have been able to buy it anyway. It would also help us gain some approval ratings across the board."
Oswald Mosley
"It sounds like a good idea, I shall have someone look over the logistics to see if this pans out the way you say it will. If so, it goes through. Anyone else?"
George Makgill
"I would like to bring up the matter of the more than two dozen anti-Victorian protests and rallies staged for the next few months. A few, even several of these are nothing to fret over, but almost two dozen and rising fast and now it becomes a major issue. I would like for MI5 to be given some extra-judicial powers when dealing with these matters as well as increased funding. Who knows how many madmen have put a target on your head."
Oswald Mosley
"Very well. Vincent, can you get this through the courts?"
Vincent Chambers
"It won't be easy, but I think I can do it. I will need a list of what powers Makgill wants granted to MI5."
George Makgill
"I'll draft a list and have it at your desk by tomorrow."
Oswald Mosley
"I feel we are reaching the end of this meeting. Does anyone else have anything they want to say?"
Anderson Barlow
"If I may, I would like to ask you to create a royal commission, chaired by me, into the urban concentration of people and industry. I feel that decentralisation of the populace and industry is something we all agree on however we don't know where to start. This commission could help us find out which areas are most affected and give us a skeletal framework around which to plan further development. It would take some time, most likely a year or two but it could drag on to three if things don't go right but I feel it is worth it to investigate this."
Ronald Ross
"I agree. The density of people in these cities means they are breeding grounds for diseases to spread like a wildfire. This could be a step to reducing it."
Oswald Mosley
"Very well, this commission will be created, but it shall take me some time as I am very busy"
Anderson Barlow
"I understand."
Oswald Mosley
"Good. And with that, I think we are done for today. Gentlemen, you are dismissed."
They quickly bid each other a farewell and leave. They are all swamped with work and have much more coming their way. Mosley heads to his office to begin to dismantle the mountain of work that stands before him. He is not bothered however, for the work is as hard as it is rewarding for he is progressing towards his goal with every paper written or read and every word said. He is content, for the flame of the future is kindled.
In Wales, Workers Striking in Protest of Low Wages, 1921
Unemployed Workers Looking For a Job After the Factory Called in Strikerbreakers, 1922
Rare Photograph From the Trenches During the Battle of Tours, 1914
British Troops Surrounding a Captured German Tank After the Battle of Lyon in 1917, Just 5 Months Later, All British Troops Withdrew Out of France
Chapter 4: The Flame Is Kindled
December 8, 1924
Today, all across Britain, many anti-VU rallies are being staged and future ones are in the works, the political tension remains. Mosley cares little however, he has an important meeting before he convenes with his cabinet in an unofficial meeting. He gets in his car with his chauffeur and drives to Camberley Staff College to meet with J. F. C. Fuller. Mosley had noted the rise of this man, he was a war hero, this combined with his revolutionary theories on warfare had been more than enough to captivate him, however he had naught an opportunity due to all the time taken by politicking and campaigning. Now he finally had time and he was going to have a talk with this promising candidate for the Chief of Imperial General Staff. He reaches the college and asks to speak with Fuller in private, soon he is face to face with him. They are guided to a room where they can talk in private, they enter, the door closes and they sit in chairs apart each other. Fuller speaks first, the eagerness apparent in his voice, like a fanatic meeting his idol.
J. F. C. Fuller
"Hello Your Excellency Oswald Mosley. I must tell you, I am an ardent supporter and am proud to call myself a Vickie. Now not to be rude, but why have you called me?"
Oswald Mosley
"Firstly, I thank you sincerely for your support and am glad to have someone such as you on my side. And now to your question, I have requested your audience today as I have wished to do so for months now but have been unable to, now that you're here I would like to propose an offer."
J. F. C. Fuller
"What is it?"
Oswald Mosley
"I would like for you to be my Chief of Imperial General Staff. I have read your history of combat in the Second Boer War and in the Great War as well as your book, "Tanks in the great war". I know that you've earned the nickname, "The English Hammer", for your victory against the Germans at Tours in 1914. I also know you've been championing for a new theory on how war is fought. I've read extensively on your Nineteen Principles, the Organisation of Force and the Unity of the Principles of War. I've thought and discussed your calls for mass mechanisation of the army and a shift away from static trench warfare to fluid and fast moving front lines. I'm impressed by it all. You are the perfect man for the job. If you accept, I shall back you on most anything and provide whatever assistance I may in helping you push these reforms and achieve this modern army you envision. So, what do you say Mr. Fuller?"
J. F. C. Fuller
"Why Your Excellency, I would be honored to accept such a position! When would I take command of the office?"
Oswald Mosley
"Immediately. There is much work to be done and not much time to do it in. We must waste nary a minute."
J. F. C. Fuller
"I see, I shall begin packing my belongings at my residence and pen my resignation to the headmaster. I suspect this shall take some time but I shall be in London before Christmas."
Oswald Mosley
"Be careful Fuller, the last time it was said that something would be done by Christmas, the Empire was undone."
J. F. C. Fuller
"Ha ha! It is good to know you have an equally black and cynical sense of humour. Life would be so much harder without it."
Oswald Mosley
"Good day Mr. Fuller, I am anticipating seeing you in London very soon"
Mosley leaves the college and heads back to London, he must meet with his cabinet in a meeting to discuss how they will move forward. He arrives at 10 Downing Street. Mosley reaches the meeting room and enters, everyone is waiting. He sits down and begins to speak
Oswald Mosley
"Hello gentlemen, welcome to the first meeting, official or unofficial, of our cabinet. I'm sorry I am late, but I had to make time for a visit to secure our future Chief of Imperial General Staff."
Arthur Kitson
"Who is it?"
Oswald Mosley
"None other than 'the English Charles Martel' himself."
William Joyce
"J. F. C. Fuller? Quite the catch, if I must say so myself."
Oswald Mosley
"Indeed, but enough of small talk, let us begin our discussion on what our course of action is. Who wishes to go first?"
Arthur Kitson
"I would like to. As we all know, we've been in a depression for some time now, if we can end it our popularity would skyrocket even further. It will also allow us to pursue our more ambitious goals. To do this we have to start by passing some tariffs, regulations and other protectionist measures. For far too long the economy has suffered underneath the laissez-faire measures the previous governments pursued. We also need a serious revamping on how the economy and the state function in tandem with another. Obviously, we need to take it slowly so we don't get overruled early on. I suggest we start by pushing through some tariffs to get things started. Maybe you can send Joyce to Canada to improve relations?"
William Joyce
"Why Canada? At the moment their economy is doing worse than ours."
Arthur Kitson
"It's a diplomatic move, not an economic one, at least in the most immediate sense. It's to show the Americans we won't be coming across the Pond to take anything else, show that apart from whatever we still hold in the Caribbean and Atlantic, the New World is their's. The last thing we want is hostile or even cold relations with the Americans."
Oswald Mosley
"Very well. Who is next"
Ronald Ross
"I would like to. Disease and hunger are massive problems, especially in the cities. Our farmers are struggling to even keep themselves afloat as prices have fallen through the roof. In response, they've started destroying their crops and tossing food away to artificially inflate the price. This is wasteful and I have an idea that could help their economic problems somewhat and combat the malnutrition and hunger plaguing the poor. We would ask farmers to give us whatever food they were going to toss and give it to the poorest members of society. This is a win-win as it increases demand for food as there is less supply and the people we are giving it to wouldn't have been able to buy it anyway. It would also help us gain some approval ratings across the board."
Oswald Mosley
"It sounds like a good idea, I shall have someone look over the logistics to see if this pans out the way you say it will. If so, it goes through. Anyone else?"
George Makgill
"I would like to bring up the matter of the more than two dozen anti-Victorian protests and rallies staged for the next few months. A few, even several of these are nothing to fret over, but almost two dozen and rising fast and now it becomes a major issue. I would like for MI5 to be given some extra-judicial powers when dealing with these matters as well as increased funding. Who knows how many madmen have put a target on your head."
Oswald Mosley
"Very well. Vincent, can you get this through the courts?"
Vincent Chambers
"It won't be easy, but I think I can do it. I will need a list of what powers Makgill wants granted to MI5."
George Makgill
"I'll draft a list and have it at your desk by tomorrow."
Oswald Mosley
"I feel we are reaching the end of this meeting. Does anyone else have anything they want to say?"
Anderson Barlow
"If I may, I would like to ask you to create a royal commission, chaired by me, into the urban concentration of people and industry. I feel that decentralisation of the populace and industry is something we all agree on however we don't know where to start. This commission could help us find out which areas are most affected and give us a skeletal framework around which to plan further development. It would take some time, most likely a year or two but it could drag on to three if things don't go right but I feel it is worth it to investigate this."
Ronald Ross
"I agree. The density of people in these cities means they are breeding grounds for diseases to spread like a wildfire. This could be a step to reducing it."
Oswald Mosley
"Very well, this commission will be created, but it shall take me some time as I am very busy"
Anderson Barlow
"I understand."
Oswald Mosley
"Good. And with that, I think we are done for today. Gentlemen, you are dismissed."
They quickly bid each other a farewell and leave. They are all swamped with work and have much more coming their way. Mosley heads to his office to begin to dismantle the mountain of work that stands before him. He is not bothered however, for the work is as hard as it is rewarding for he is progressing towards his goal with every paper written or read and every word said. He is content, for the flame of the future is kindled.
In Wales, Workers Striking in Protest of Low Wages, 1921
Unemployed Workers Looking For a Job After the Factory Called in Strikerbreakers, 1922
Rare Photograph From the Trenches During the Battle of Tours, 1914
British Troops Surrounding a Captured German Tank After the Battle of Lyon in 1917, Just 5 Months Later, All British Troops Withdrew Out of France
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Thank you! Don't worry I will, the TL should continue until 60's or 70's unless I feel I've done all I can
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Gotta love that Mercator Map where Greenland is as big as Africa and Canada spans the distance between the Great Lakes and Brazil
The Sacred Flame
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The Sun Rises Yet Again
Chapter 5: The Sacred Flame
December 9, 1924
Mosley continues getting settled into his new job. He assigns Anderson as chairmen of the commission he was calling for. He is also slowly drafting a list of what he wants to get passed in Parliament. A courier comes into his office and gives him a letter from Makgill. He thanks him and sends him off. He opens the letter and reads it.
"Oswald, I've been looking into this promising figure, I wonder if you have heard of him, his name is Thomas Edward Lawrence. He was assigned to the Middle East to assist the Arab revolt and was doing quite well until the German counter offensive began in 1918. He fought a fighting retreat before entering Egypt where he hid until the war was over. Despite his failure, he was and still is beloved by the Arab community, earning the name of "Lawrence of Arabia" and they even pooled their money to pay for his trip back home. He also did some work in military intelligence before he entered the war. I have heard he is a supporter of you and I believe he would serve as an excellent member of SIS. You should ask Mr. Sinclair to take a look at him, I think he would be a great addition and maybe a possible successor"
Mosley thought about it, he would like to have loyal agents capable of espionage and being capable of inciting insurrection in foreign countries and leading said insurrections to victory. He would ask Sinclair to take a look at this "Lawrence of Arabia" and see if he is really all Makgill says.
He decides to take a break, smoke a fag and look at the massive map he has in his office. It's out of date by over a decade, made in 1909. It was a gift from a friend who would die next to him at Marne just 5 years later. He stared at it, puffed the cigarette smoke into the air, and started to look at all the outdated features. The most glaring was Britain and her empire of better days. France and Russia were now communist, Portugal and Italy had reactionary movements rise to power and the Ottomans had reconquered Greece. Germany now owns Malta, Cyprus, French Indochina, Singapore, the Suez and a third of Africa. Belgium and Denmark, along with Eastern Europe, are German puppets. Spain is in a terrible civil war between Communists and Falangists and India is fighting a major Burmese rebellion. North Africa is split into several states, Egypt, Algeria, the Ottoman Protectorate of Libya, and the German protectorate of Morocco. To think the world changed so much in just 15 years.
Mosley decides now is a good time to get those tariffs that Kitson proposed passed. He calls for Kitson and soon he is sitting in his office. Mosley tells Kitson he wants a comprehensive list of what items he wants taxed and what percentage he wants them to be taxed at. Kitson complies and several hours later he has a full list of proposed tariffs as well as some extra measures to increase trade, especially with America, increase the value of the pound, and combat inflation. Mosley thanks him and he is off on his way. He summons Chambers to his office. Once he arrives, he asks him if Makgill has sent him the list of powers he wants granted to MI5. Vincent tells him he has and hands him the list. He tells him to prepare his defense of this move as it will surely come under fire, Chambers nods and they both go their separate ways.
George V opens a new session of Parliament. During the sitting hours Mosley proposes the economic plan Kitson drafted. Since the Victorians have a majority it goes through the first and second stage fairly quickly however there is stiff resistance from the remnants of the Liberal and Labour parties. It is set to pass within a 2 weeks. Mosley also proposes Makgill's list, it faces even stiffer resistance from Labour and the Liberal party as well as the Conservatives but even stauncher support from Victorian members. If Lord Chancellor Vincent Chambers can convince them to fast track it, it will pass in early January. Eventually, the sitting comes to a close and Mosley heads back to his office. The next few weeks will be rather hectic.
He orders for an extensive private telephone network to be wired throughout the building and to George Makgill's office. It will be expensive, but it will mean he can get in touch with them easier. He sends a letter to the Rudolph Lambart, the current Chief of Imperial General Staff, to begin packing his bags as he has been fired. Mosley never liked him, he thought he was a vacillating and foolish man, he had been one of the key figures in advocating a massive reduction in Britain's army and defense spending. He finishes his work and heads to his chambers to relax with Cynthia and their 3 children. Once Fuller is here, he must consult him on a risky idea of his.
An Arabian Cavalry Squad Prepares to Ambush an Ottoman Desert Patrol, 1917
T. E. Lawrence in Arabia, 1916
A German Tank in Syria, it Was a Part of the Massive German Counter Offensive After France Fell, 1918
British Commandos in Syria Surrounding an Ottoman Train They Sabotaged 1917
T. E. Lawrence With Friends in Egypt. Shortly After, the War Ended and He Returned to Britain, 1918
Chapter 5: The Sacred Flame
December 9, 1924
Mosley continues getting settled into his new job. He assigns Anderson as chairmen of the commission he was calling for. He is also slowly drafting a list of what he wants to get passed in Parliament. A courier comes into his office and gives him a letter from Makgill. He thanks him and sends him off. He opens the letter and reads it.
"Oswald, I've been looking into this promising figure, I wonder if you have heard of him, his name is Thomas Edward Lawrence. He was assigned to the Middle East to assist the Arab revolt and was doing quite well until the German counter offensive began in 1918. He fought a fighting retreat before entering Egypt where he hid until the war was over. Despite his failure, he was and still is beloved by the Arab community, earning the name of "Lawrence of Arabia" and they even pooled their money to pay for his trip back home. He also did some work in military intelligence before he entered the war. I have heard he is a supporter of you and I believe he would serve as an excellent member of SIS. You should ask Mr. Sinclair to take a look at him, I think he would be a great addition and maybe a possible successor"
Mosley thought about it, he would like to have loyal agents capable of espionage and being capable of inciting insurrection in foreign countries and leading said insurrections to victory. He would ask Sinclair to take a look at this "Lawrence of Arabia" and see if he is really all Makgill says.
He decides to take a break, smoke a fag and look at the massive map he has in his office. It's out of date by over a decade, made in 1909. It was a gift from a friend who would die next to him at Marne just 5 years later. He stared at it, puffed the cigarette smoke into the air, and started to look at all the outdated features. The most glaring was Britain and her empire of better days. France and Russia were now communist, Portugal and Italy had reactionary movements rise to power and the Ottomans had reconquered Greece. Germany now owns Malta, Cyprus, French Indochina, Singapore, the Suez and a third of Africa. Belgium and Denmark, along with Eastern Europe, are German puppets. Spain is in a terrible civil war between Communists and Falangists and India is fighting a major Burmese rebellion. North Africa is split into several states, Egypt, Algeria, the Ottoman Protectorate of Libya, and the German protectorate of Morocco. To think the world changed so much in just 15 years.
Mosley decides now is a good time to get those tariffs that Kitson proposed passed. He calls for Kitson and soon he is sitting in his office. Mosley tells Kitson he wants a comprehensive list of what items he wants taxed and what percentage he wants them to be taxed at. Kitson complies and several hours later he has a full list of proposed tariffs as well as some extra measures to increase trade, especially with America, increase the value of the pound, and combat inflation. Mosley thanks him and he is off on his way. He summons Chambers to his office. Once he arrives, he asks him if Makgill has sent him the list of powers he wants granted to MI5. Vincent tells him he has and hands him the list. He tells him to prepare his defense of this move as it will surely come under fire, Chambers nods and they both go their separate ways.
George V opens a new session of Parliament. During the sitting hours Mosley proposes the economic plan Kitson drafted. Since the Victorians have a majority it goes through the first and second stage fairly quickly however there is stiff resistance from the remnants of the Liberal and Labour parties. It is set to pass within a 2 weeks. Mosley also proposes Makgill's list, it faces even stiffer resistance from Labour and the Liberal party as well as the Conservatives but even stauncher support from Victorian members. If Lord Chancellor Vincent Chambers can convince them to fast track it, it will pass in early January. Eventually, the sitting comes to a close and Mosley heads back to his office. The next few weeks will be rather hectic.
He orders for an extensive private telephone network to be wired throughout the building and to George Makgill's office. It will be expensive, but it will mean he can get in touch with them easier. He sends a letter to the Rudolph Lambart, the current Chief of Imperial General Staff, to begin packing his bags as he has been fired. Mosley never liked him, he thought he was a vacillating and foolish man, he had been one of the key figures in advocating a massive reduction in Britain's army and defense spending. He finishes his work and heads to his chambers to relax with Cynthia and their 3 children. Once Fuller is here, he must consult him on a risky idea of his.
An Arabian Cavalry Squad Prepares to Ambush an Ottoman Desert Patrol, 1917
T. E. Lawrence in Arabia, 1916
A German Tank in Syria, it Was a Part of the Massive German Counter Offensive After France Fell, 1918
British Commandos in Syria Surrounding an Ottoman Train They Sabotaged 1917
T. E. Lawrence With Friends in Egypt. Shortly After, the War Ended and He Returned to Britain, 1918
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