That's great to hear! I can honestly say that this is one of the most unique scenarios I have ever seen, and I absolutely cannot wait to see more.
Thank goodness this timeline is still alive.It has not! I've just been especially busy with work and some personal stuff. I've got two chapters in the chamber (about Franco-American cuisine and high dining in the Cooperative Commonwealth and the presence of game on the American table, respectively) that I am currently working on, as well as a skeleton of what I want to say about soda and coffee.
As early as 1909, the New York Times was decrying the withdrawal of meat from the American breakfast table in favor of cold cereal softened in milk. That battle was already won, by and large, by the time period after which I am largely concerned. Kellogg won at the breakfast table.Out of curiosity how is Dr Kellogg viewed in the alt-USA?
A joke on many levels.Evacuation Day dinner (which I believe was a joke by the American who invited me)
Restaurants running on the Costco model-- that's interesting, and unexpected.Supper clubs were democratically administered and owned by dues-paying members, with meals being charged at or near cost to members and at a mark-up to non-members. The exact line between supper club and cooperative kitchen can be fuzzy, but often supper clubs will hire labor while cooperative kitchens rely more heavily on member-volunteers. [7] Supper clubs would thus become the default form of restaurant in America post-Special Period.
Union-owned restaurants (distinct from union canteens attached to a factory or a factory district in that these were meant to be self-sustaining enterprises open to the public, funded from union funds, and employing union workers) were a later innovation
RE: Costco- realistically Costco was a co-opting of the consumer co-op model by a for-profit company. Supper clubs (as existed historically in the Midwest) were not consciously organized as consumer cooperatives but develop more in that direction here (member ownership being a key point here), and they also absorb a number of other American voluntary organizations under their umbrella (men's lunch clubs, which historically were often organized by profession, as one example).Restaurants running on the Costco model-- that's interesting, and unexpected.
This question of hired labor-- I'm guessing the unions' own involvement in running supper clubs makes this a moot point, but before they were involved did the supper clubs fit into the union superstructure at all? Owned by dues-paying members, hiring labor from outside-- so would those outsiders be people who actually had other jobs, but took this one as well in order to earn more? Would the unions they belonged to get a say in management, or would they form a new sort of informal union in parallel with the due-paying customers, or would they represent themselves totally individually? If the second option, would these informal unions be able to become recognized and join the superstructure as owners of the supper club? How often are unions permitted to be born, split up, or fuse together-- does the order to found a new one always have to come from above?
To the first part- most supper clubs try to please everyone and tend to have large, crowd-pleasing menus. Their menus may also be dictated by members and by staff. The author here mentioned Italian and German because the higher echelons of American cooking by and large remove those ethnic influences. Larger cities do have supper clubs with more specialized menus and focuses, although they of course have to be able to keep the lights on with sufficient food sales and still try to appeal to non-members.Agreed that the supper club is an interesting model but makes a lot of sense. Do these supper clubs specialize in particular cuisines or are they somewhat eclectic in their menus given the mention of Italian and even Chinese dishes. Speaking of which, the state of Asian food in TTL would be interesting and probably heavily dependent on which Asian countries the American government enjoys good relations with.
With all the talk so far as the Special Period as a sort of bottleneck moment in the history of institutions, I think it's interesting that the Midwest (I'm assuming the term here refers more to the Upper Missouri than the Upper Mississippi) is credited with originating one of the big winners (although it's safe to say the model was also probably experimented on or developed independently elsewhere in response to the same stresses?). Either way, this from what I'd assume would be a region better known for rural insurgency, and maybe something that people from there like to point out in conversation?Supper clubs (as existed historically in the Midwest) were not consciously organized as consumer cooperatives but develop more in that direction here (member ownership being a key point here), and they also absorb a number of other American voluntary organizations under their umbrella (men's lunch clubs, which historically were often organized by profession, as one example).
Sounds like an awfully hard and thankless job, but interestingly puts them in the position closest to the labor organizers of the previous century. I'm guessing they're treated something like social workers, maybe have a hand in running rehab centers and the like?roving delegate (as their workplaces often have too few personnel) assigned to and sometimes working alongside them and possess regional and national voting rights for their respective industrial union, but often they don't exercise those rights.
Little nitpick: Frikadeller is Swedish, the German form is Frikadelle (plural: Frikadellen).The hamburg steak, the ancestor of today’s American hamburger, was a cousin of the German frikadeller (a kind of meatball) and the French steak tartare.
Thank you! I'm not much of a language person (editing for proper accent marks in Chapter 3 was exhausting and I'm sure I missed plenty). It has been edited per your recommendation.Little nitpick: Frikadeller is Swedish, the German form is Frikadelle (plural: Frikadellen).
In German, a hamburger is a 'he', while a frikadelle is a 'she'; putting an -r on the end would make it a masculine word, which it isn't; the term frikadeller is Danish – there, it is the plural of frikadelle(n).
These are all great questions. To the first- the author here is using the term Midwest, but the kinds of supper clubs he is referring to were popular in Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa and Illinois. This is important to note because TTL's political center of gravity is actually Chicago (where the SLP is headquartered), while the cultural center of gravity is arguably New York (and that is also America's most internationally focused city). The in-universe author lived in New York.With all the talk so far as the Special Period as a sort of bottleneck moment in the history of institutions, I think it's interesting that the Midwest (I'm assuming the term here refers more to the Upper Missouri than the Upper Mississippi) is credited with originating one of the big winners (although it's safe to say the model was also probably experimented on or developed independently elsewhere in response to the same stresses?). Either way, this from what I'd assume would be a region better known for rural insurgency, and maybe something that people from there like to point out in conversation?
I assume the state tries to break up regionalism by rotating governors between... subnational units but in China this had the side effect of creating cliques of people pushed together in an unfamiliar environment and forming strong bonds as they pull each other up (e.g. Xi Jinping's group of colleagues from his time holding office in Fujian and Zhejiang, despite not being from either province himself). Since restaurants are overall more responsive to the tastes of their patron-owners, I wonder if the in-universe author might find some haunt of Californians or Midwesterners come out east, and willing to challenge this sort of New York/New England - reliant definition of what high cuisine is. Less sauces and more sushi maybe.
Sounds like an awfully hard and thankless job, but interestingly puts them in the position closest to the labor organizers of the previous century. I'm guessing they're treated something like social workers, maybe have a hand in running rehab centers and the like?
Thank you- I'm glad you've enjoyed it so far!I haven't finished reading this, but may I say that this is exactly the kind of innovative social history that makes the board a richer place.
To the grafters we'll sing this refrain:Repeatedly returned delegates *detest* the bummery and roving delegates. The Bummery are everything the union and party elite hate about themselves. The Bummery are the real threat to actually existing American industrial unionism. It isn't supper clubs of lawyers or doctors. Hallelujah I'm a bum, hallelujah bum again, in the big rock candy mountain.
Gee I wonder what works songs are sung by special preventative detainees?
I wonder whether menus in restaurants in a communist USA would follow the peculiar habit of listing the precise weight of every component of the meals usual in most restaurants in communist eastern Europe. Menus there usually read like this: Salmon caviar (25g) with white bread (75g) and butter (15g) - Mushroom cream soup (300ml) - Roast beef (150g) with dill sauce (100ml), cabbage (200g) and bread dumplings (250g) - apple studel (150g) with vanilla sauce (75ml).
Not exactly, but close![5]The English language version is flimsier and includes the legally prescribed weights and measures of flour, butter and meat for each dish, which is far from helpful for even the least waistline conscious of diners.
There probably isn't a bigger question in American history, no matter the timeline.Love your timeline. I just have one question. What are race relations like in this TL? Given the south's conservative bent, was there a lot of southern pushback to the revolution?