The Star-Spangled Expanded Universe of "What Madness Is This?"

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Napoleon53, Dec 13, 2018.

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  1. Time Enough Nightmare angel of the Tea Rooms

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    That is true, also add in Persia drinking the Madness juice and becoming more Fascisty or Imperialistic. Still Iraq being a genuine democracy is nice (I wonder how long the keep it until they start cracking down on the leftists).
     
  2. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    If you think I'm about to turn my University into a secret society infested nest of debauchery and insanity, you're correct. I'm also thinking of another chapter solely devoted to exploring all the secret societies, including rituals, short histories, and structure. When we get further along, I have an idea for a Duke-UNC style rivalry, but it has to wait because Duke as we know it only came to be in the 20's.

    Lux Libertas: The History of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Part I
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    The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has the distinction of being the oldest public university in the former United States, founded on December 11th, 1789. The construction of the University heavily depended on slave labor, and Black servants quarters were among the first buildings built. The University first began admitting students in 1795. As the Adams Administration continued to be a disaster, Chapel Hill became a breeding ground for secessionist sentiment. The Revolution had been fought so the colonies could become independent, not so they could be welded together into a superstate. When the Shatter of 1801 happened, the students were extremely enthused, and quickly hoisted a Moon and Stars banner over the University. The flag would remain in that famed spot indefinitely, actually being specially designated in the University by-laws soon afterward by University Founder and President William Richardson Davie.

    The War of 1812 and the rise of the French Empire meant that UNC began offering in depth French lessons, another first in the old US. While many of the University's wealthy students found such training unnecessary, for the handful of students of humbler means at the University, including 1820 graduate and future Chancellor and Restorer of the Confederation James K. Polk, it was an invaluable tool for induction into the highest echelons of international culture, politics, intrigue, and business. As the 1820's dawned, the rise of Beutelism and American Fundamentalism intrigued the students, and for a few happy years, both ideologies were openly, vehemently discussed in the Diaclectic and Philosophic Societies, the school's debate club. There was a crackdown in later years, which also correlated to a decline in importance for the DiPhi as other, more secretive and mystical organizations took over. This kind of secret society first began to thrive in the aftermath of the Cuba War, aka the War of Virginian Aggression. The War sent virtually the whole student body away to war, and a good portion never came back. The end of the war saw the boom of UNC's first secret society, which had always existed: the Masonic Lodge of Chapel Hill.

    Most of the Founders of the Old Republic and the Confederation, including Andy Jackson himself, had been Freemasons. The lodge was as old as the University, but wasn't as popular as the DiPhi because the secretive organization "was shrouded from the Light, and thus Liberty." The War changed that. The boom in membership was originally because the traumatized young veterans wanted a place to gather in secret and bemoan the brutality and outcome of the war. However, over the course of their ceremonial induction process conducted by none other than an ailing William Davie, the veterans of the year-long war became fully devoted Masons. Members debated philosophy, art, music, and although technically against lodge rules, politics. The aftermath of the war hardened the crackdown on Beutelism and Fundamentalism, so any discussion of these topics was done in the secrecy of the Lodge. Of course, none of these members actually ever believed in Beutelism or Fundamentalism, if only because Cokie nationalism and love of Chancellor had been drilled into their heads. However, future students would believe differently and found their own secret societies. Despite the proliferation of such societies, the Masonic Lodge retained a dominant position, and shaped the nation's future. Membership in the lodge was considered a must for up and coming political leaders in NC, with non-Masons or non-graduates being shut out of the halls of power.

    In fact shortly before the last veterans left in 1833, a new society was founded: The Order of the Fallen Chancellor. Dedicated to the preservation of Jackson's memory, they would be responsible for getting the wealthy families of the coast to chip in for a huge, French made bronze sculpture of the Chancellor, which was placed prominently across from the Old Well. The Order also became a hotbed of ultranationalism, which would cause splintering later on.

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    The ancient Jackson Family Coat of Arms, which became the Crest of the Order of the Fallen Chancellor

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    President Davie in Masonic Apron overseeing the laying of the Cornerstone of Old East in 1795

    For most of the post-war era, UNC Chapel Hill was relatively quiet. The school expanded to accommodate roughly 450 students by 1850, and expanded its educational offerings drastically. Under the Presidencies of Thomas Winthrop Campbell (1829-1845) and Israel Smithson (1845-1858) UNC began offering courses in agriculture, engineering, bookkeeping, shipbuilding, and even military academy style training. This also represented a small but noticeable influx of middle class and even some exceptional poor whites, who demanded an education that included practical matters, not just philosophy and history. This era also saw the formation of two new secret societies, the Beutelist Commune of Freedom's Sons (which was illegal) and the Greco-Roman Society (which would become infamous for their orgiastic recreations of Roman Bacchanalia and animal sacrifices). The University Administration attempted to suppress these two organizations, but were less than successful. The Beutelists were easier to pin down because their adoption of an ideology meant they had to have read illicit materials that could be traced on occasion. The Greco-Roman Society, with its decadent Classical themed parties and love of wine, managed to find unique ways of evading significant danger from the authorities, including an early version of the so-called honeypot, utilizing "ladies of the night" (or "sodomites" depending on the professor or officer's tastes) to create blackmail material. Both institutions were able to survive, and the Greco-Romans even thrived. The Beutelists too would survive, but constant pressure from the authorities would make the Commune a paranoid and secretive bunch, even by secret society standards. The initiation rites into the Beutelists became brutal tests of loyalty, intelligence, and toughness, resembling the kind of torture employed by many police departments.

    When the Great American War struck, UNC's fine young men formed the First Chapel Hill Volunteers, and fought in West Carolina. So great was their doggedness that Yankee compatriots gave "those North Carolina boys" the title of Tar Heels. Andrew Jackson had made similar remarks during the Cuba War. The moniker stuck, with the North Carolina House of Citizens designating NC the "Tar Heel State" and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill the "North Carolina Tar Heels."

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    The official logo of the UNC Tar Heels

    The aftermath of the war saw a powerful wave of patriotism wash over the school. Membership in the Order of the Fallen Chancellor skyrocketed. Flags were everywhere, and President Jebediah Beauregard IV commissioned yet another bronze sculpture in 1863 dedicated to "all those Tar Heels past, present, and future who serve in our nation's armed forces." The statue would later be named "Silent Sam," and the popular joke on campus went that Silent Sam was silent "cuz his gun only goes off when a virgin walks by." The school also began a small rounders league, and the sport proved quite popular. However, the happy times of expanding enrollment, new sports, and patriotism would soon end. The Great Disturbance hit Carolina hard, and the works of a former UNC student named Zebulon Vance soon caused trouble on campus.

    Zebulon Vance was a vicious anti-AFC radical who hated the "negrified religion." He also felt that the Yankee Anglo-Saxons were inferior to the Cokie "Anglo-Normans." His ideology of Normanism soon swept the nation, and across campus. Like the nation, Chapel Hill's student body was divided on the subject. As the 1880's ground on, several small scuffles broke out between the Normanists and the Jacksonians. The Normanists founded the Society of Norman Sons on campus, a secret society which had a deadly rivalry with the Jacksonian Order of the Fallen Chancellor. In fact, the Sons were a splinter group from the Order. Duels between members of the societies happened in the lead up to the 1887 election, and the chaotic aftermath of that election culminated in a vicious riot between Red Shirts and Jacksonians, that famously included the Jacksonians firing a 6 pound smoothbore cannon at a group of Red Shirts. After the party was declared a terrorist group things died down on the surface, even as the SNS planned to try and commit a terrorist bombing of the House of Citizens. Thankfully, it was not to be. The group was too distracted by trying to stay secret to fully plan the bombing, and when Adelbert Upjohn Gamble V (himself a Tar Heel) became Protector of Public Virtue in 1891, he used sheer brutality and clever investigate tactics to ferret out the remaining Normanists. The group folded, and the triumphant Order of the Fallen Chancellor publicly burned all Normanist materials in Chapel Hill, and hanged Vance in effigy. The OFC would quickly transition to being a Common Senser organization, as the decline of the Jacksonians disgusted these hyper-patriots. When Gamble V ran for Chancellor he made a point to stop in his old school, and Chapel Hill's student body unanimously voted for Gamble in the election.

    The increasing amount of political activity on campus somewhat alarmed the university administration. While most of it was unilaterally patriotic, the Commune managed to keep finding members, even if there were only 6 or 7 at a time in some cases. Even worse, a cell of the Second Order of the Illuminati, dubbed the Tar Heel Society for Light and Liberty, had become active on campus. A Fascist pro-American society appeared as well, called Carolinians for a Greater America, although they were relatively unpopular for their embrace of pro-black America. Wanting to channel all of these impulses, the University created a Student Government in 1902. The first Student President was none other than Freemason and Order of the Fallen Chancellor member Johnny Gamble, future Chancellor of the Confederation. He directed the government with a surprisingly iron fist, and used his (rather limited) powers to root out Fascists (ironic given his future position as a Yankee lackey) and Illuminists on campus. While neither society was fully destroyed, mainstream Cokie nationalism and Presbyterianism quickly reasserted nigh total dominance on campus. The school was on the grow again, and opened the state's only Pharmacy School in 1910.

    When the Great War broke out, countless Tar Heels again left their studies and sweethearts behind to fight for their country. The necessities of the Great War meant that UNC actually developed an extremely good military academy, although it had been developing this way for quite a while. The new Pharmacy School helped make poison gas for the war effort. The OPV made raids on campus targeting the Beutelists and Illuminists with the help of the Order and the Freemasons. Despite this intensifying repression, neither group could be totally destroyed by external forces. However, the Embassy Massacre eventually doomed the Tar Heel Society for Light and Liberty to extinction, as the sheer anger inspired by the event actually encouraged many members to revert back to Cokie nationalism, with some enlisting in the Wade Hampton Brigade as penance. With that, we shall end this part of UNC Chapel Hill's history. The 1920's would be a pivotal decade in Tar Heel history, including the rise of the school's most hated rivals...

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    Local residents gawk at the damage to Silent Sam in the aftermath of a Normanist rally turned violent (1887)

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    A 1908 postcard featuring lyrics from the school's fight song, which was an almost direct copy of the national anthem. The school became notorious for its rowdy students, who often mixed Tar Heel pride and Cokie nationalism.

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    A sketch of the Masonic Lodge of Chapel Hill, circa 1839
     
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  3. Master Xion Replica Keyblade Master

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    So, I know this ius an odd question but is there a flag for the Europan Empire posted here?
    Is it just the French Tricolor or is it different?
     
  4. ohlourdespadua Well-Known Member

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    The Madnessverse Redux thread has images of the map. Long story short: it isa mishmash of the French Tricolore and Napoleon's royal banner...
     
  5. Master Xion Replica Keyblade Master

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    Link?
     
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    I realised that the Mexican War of Independence may or may not have been butterflied away without the French invasion of Spain making a radically different history before 1826. How stable do you think the Viceroyalty will be?
     
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  9. Time Enough Nightmare angel of the Tea Rooms

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    So recently I read an article about the LGBT nightlife of Berlin during 20s/30s and in it mentioned a travel guide for LGBT individuals for the city.So I've been thinking of writing an article about the friendliest cities for LGBT folks in the World of WMIT of about 1921. So far my ideas are:

    The Free State of Berlin
    Amsterdam
    Lisbon
    Moscow
    Macau
    Warsaw
    Baghdad

    Please mention if you think these are bad or you have your own ideas.
     
  10. LordandsaviorKloka Son of Gondor

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    Definitely don’t mention Philly. Amsterdam gets my vote.
     
  11. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Berlin is definitely going to be a hub for the LGBT community in Madnessverse, at least in the 20's-30's. It honestly seems like it would be perfect for an even more insane Weimar-esque era.

    I can also see Moscow and Warsaw since both are under the rule of Illuminist powers who, for all their spiritualist neo-Jacobin bullshit, I actually think will treat LGBT people as equals.

    Macau and Lisbon depend on the direction of Europa in the coming years. Given the rise of Mussolini Pope Peter II, I'm not optimistic. Baghdad I'm also unsure of.

    Amsterdam I'm actually against. Hear me out. OTL's Amsterdam circa the 1920's was the capital of a relatively liberal and fairly content nation, aftermath of WWI not withstanding. TTL's Amsterdam is the capital of a country that got brutalized in what was essentially the Second Coming of the Thirty Years War, and that was allied with TTL's brutally authoritarian "Free World." That's going to totally change the culture of the country into something more authoritarian and nasty.
     
  12. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    Just for giggles, I’m going to suggest Cork or Dublin as LGBT friendly cities. The Ireland we’ve built in this thread is already a weirdly socialist monarchy, so let’s go all in on the Madness.

    We already have an interesting LGBT history in Ireland, what with the like of Oscar Wilde and the Ladies of Llangollen to the suspected sexualities of Padaig Pearse and Roger Casement being noteable examples. Wilde is already mentioned as being prime minister, so it’s possible sexuality laws in Ireland may be more lax thanks to their influence.

    With the outbreak of the Great War, cities like Cork would likely be huge hotspots of military activity. And with the military focusing all their efforts on keeping the Protestants at bay, they’d probably turn a blind eye to what their soldiers did during their downtime, an informal “Don’t ask, Dont tell” policy. Any city with a big military contingent develops a strong sex industry and open attitudes to sexuality.

    Connolly’s weird socialism would probably likely in the weakening of the Catholic Churches influence. And Ireland has been mentioned before as being the local of choice for expatriates like Mark Twain. With the rise of conservatism and authoritarianism on the continent, Ireland may be the port of call for many liberal thinkers
     
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    you mean MAD liberal thinkers.
     
  14. Time Enough Nightmare angel of the Tea Rooms

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    Thanks for the feedback and other suggestions, I've been thinking about keeping the article to Europe for the most part (although I may do one on Asia at some point in the future). Anyway so here's the breakdown of the places and there good and bad points for LGBTQ+ culture;

    Free State of Berlin:
    Good Points: Due to most of the NordReich laws on sexuality not being enforced a thriving LGBTQ+ culture has appeared in Berlin, Clubs have sprung up that cater to individuals of the community, drag and cabaret flourish and there's also a strong BDSM scene as well which is good for those that partake in that. Art and Magazines catering to this community are easily available.
    Bad Points: Same Sex relationships aren't technically legal so people looking to stay together will have to move to somewhere else otherwise face possible arrest (if they don't have money, the rich are treated differently), most clubs are owned by gangsters who use them to launder money and sell drugs and the police won't protect you from abuse or attacks which do occur.

    The Illumanist Cities:
    Good Points: Homosexuality and Homosexual Sex has been decriminalised, you can legally change your gender at special clinics and homosexuality and trans studies have taken off as atl equivalents to the work of Magnus Hirschfield are set up there.
    Bad Points: You can't get married if your in a same sex relationship, homophobia still exists particularly in the Countryside (most LGBT individuals move to the cities as a result) and there isn't really a thriving club culture (there is an LGBT art culture similar to 1920s Paris but not much beyond that) due to it being seen as bourgeois decadence (same with people wanting to engage in BDSM).

    Cork:
    Good Points: Ireland is a bit like East Germany or Yugosalvia, same sex relationships in Ireland are legal and can be recognised by the state (think something like a Civil Partnership) if asked for. Trans individuals are recognised in Cork and a healthy LGBT culture has sprung up in Cork alongside the New Irish Modernist movement.
    Bad Points: Outside of Cork Trans individuals aren't recognised and you can be arrested for it. Individuals that take part in any LGBT culture in Cork are often watched by the Secret Police and sometimes are raided by them. A strong sense of conformity also exists so ideas like casual sexual relationships aren't allowed. Also all registered partnerships are forced to adopt children whether they want to or not. There's still discrimination particularly from new religious individuals.

    Those are the ideas so far, certainly these places are better than what's occurring in America RU or Britian (I suspect lobotomies, drugs and other quackery). Please mention what you think about them.
     
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  15. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    Connolly after someone explains trans people and gay marriage to him: oh well, that’s all perfectly reasonable. So long as they’re patriotic workers, they can love whoever they please

    Connolly after hearing the term “Drag King/Queen”: Anti-monarchist subversives!!! *starts foaming at the mouth*

    Jokes aside, those are some interesting takes. Even with the states blessing, I can see the Irish LGBT+ community being viewed with a careful eye, lest bourgeois decadence take root.

    I’d maybe change the forced adoption thing a little. After the war, there’s bound to be a huge number of orphans, more then the state can handle. To offset this, a mandatory fostering program is implemented for every married couple without children. You can opt out but doing so means social death as you’re shunned for not doing your part for king and county.

    Also, your description of Berlin just makes me imagine the whole city being very like Rapture from Bioshock
     
  16. Napoleon53 Order of Monocled Sirs ಠ_ರೃ

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    I would say most of that is pretty plausible, but I don't think they'd be accepting of transexuals yet. I even had a similar idea of mentioning in the timeline proper that the Loomies don't care about same-sex relationships, but anything else is still treated with electroshock and possible lockup. I don't want the Loomies to be tooooo progressive, because they are still totalitarian bastards from the 1920s.

    With Ireland, I could see them straightup not caring about most everything. They're too wartorn to care about what people are doing in their private time.

    Hilariously, I've long had an idea where the RU and NUSA of all people turn a blind eye to homosexuality. "You're not going to spread your fluids, so the problem fixes itself." Charlotte Baker in 1.0 was very clearly a lesbian, but the government didn't dare mention it. That being said, most gay people would NOT be open about it.
     
  17. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    I imagine Union academia has done see research on the gay uncle hypothesis ttl. Basically being gay is still evolutionarily viable because even if you don't spread your fluids you can help your family survive and grow to spread their fluids in turn. If we end up with "Sexual Marxism" and exotic family structures ushered in under Oswald I could see LGB (maybe not T) being valued as separate but equal in the fascist cause, not unlike blacks and whites or men and women under current MDP dogma.
     
  18. Sunstone77 Well-Known Member

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    I doubt all of that. The RU probably views any form of diviancy from traditional WASP sexual morals as signs of Inferior Corruption and sinful. If nothing else, using the fear of being outed or punished for even the smallest possibility of being homosexual as a threat would be a good tool for those in power to wield when they can’t question the purity of their Precious Fluids or family history.

    Honestly, I think the most liberal the RU will ever get when it comes to sexuality is finding some way to overlook and justify the infidelity of high ranking members and state heroes as some spreading their heroic Pinnacle Man genes, while at the same time punishing the everyday American for the same crimes
     
  19. Born in the USSA Well-Known Member

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    I've said it before but one of my favorite things TTL is the Union's subversion of "bad guy country" stereotypes. Racial and gender equality is no small thing, not to mention being the only superpower that's not rabidly anti-Semitic. Politics in the RU is purely pragmatic, and what better way for Oswald to cement his regime and indulge his own impulses at the same time than by ushering in a Sexual Velvet Revolution? Napo has mentioned ideological wings of the party becoming more prominent after Custer, and political positions have never been coherent from an OTL perspective so I fail to see the problem.
     
  20. Murica1776 Building an American Tomorrow

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    Ok folks, I'm thinking about the future of Madness UNC (I'm writing up a story on all the secret societies soon) and I know the absolute perfect person to be our James Duke stand-in regarding Duke University: George Washington Carver.

    Carver is in a way, even Yankee-ier than having a Goodyear do it, which was my original idea. He's a Titan of Industry, a fervent AFC follower and Yankee supremacist, and he's the son of emancipated slaves. The last part will quite obviously be a sticking point.

    What I'm debating is which prominent Yankee Ivy League school he would want to rip off for the actual design. OTL, James Duke created Duke University after Princeton refused to change their name in return for a giant donation. He very deliberately modeled Duke after Princeton, even paying the stone masons making the stone steps to "weather" them so it would look like they had been worn down by centuries of use like at Princeton. He also built Duke Chapel in imitation of Princeton's. It could be easier for Carver to be similarly inspired from an imagery standpoint, but why not have him go bigger? Why shouldn't this man who went from being an impoverished black kid to a respected and feared Titan of Industry shoot for nothing less than that most prestigious of Ivy League schools..... Harvard!

    This will tie into a merging of OTL and TTL in terms of reputation/marketing. IOTL, some people (especially Blue Devils) refer to Duke as the "Ivy League of the South." I don't agree with that personally because while Duke is a very good school, it is (literally) not in the same league. I could see Carver University selling itself similarly. Thus, similar to OTL, Carver becomes popular with wealthy northerners whose child/children couldn't quite make the cut for the Ivy Leagues. Here's where everything comes full circle and completes the image:

    Within 10 miles of each other, you have UNC Chapel Hill, the hotbed of Cokie nationalism and a homegrown public elite school that, while still mostly dominated by the well off, has always made at least a bit of room for talented middle and lower class whites (like OTL), and Carver University, a practical Yankee colony built in CoCaro by the money of a rich and powerful black man who used to be a slave. They might even have a small black student population, although I imagine most would avoid it due to the location. Duke-Carolina OTL is vicious. Carver-Carolina ITTL is probably going to be damn near apocalyptic.

    On a final note, I'm open to ideas about a potential mascot. I want to keep the OTL Duke Blue as a color, but the Blue Devils can't be the mascot because A) They're based on a French Army unit IOTL and B) Something tells me that the spiritualist AFC might fear having Satan as a mascot. It should be obviously Yankee to highlight the divide, but nothing ridiculous like the "Fighting John Browns." I personally was thinking of the Carver Union Blue Minutemen, which they could get away with because it honors the Revolutionary War, something they fought in alongside Carolina.
     
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