The Spanish Bourbons die in Valençay

From 1808 to 1813 the king of Spain, Charles IV, and his three sons - Ferdinand, Charles and Francis - were prisoners of Napoleon at the Chateau of Valençay. WI due to a contagious disease, food poisoning, a fire, whatever, all of them die there in 1810?

Spain was under Joseph Bonaparte. How would it affect the Peninsular War? Also, under Salic Law the Bourbon claimant would be the king of Two Sicilies (who now was ruling only Sicily). However, Charles' eldest daughter was Charlotte, queen of Portugal, who loved power so much that wanted to become Queen of La Plata "on behalf" of her exiled relatives. If she had any opportunity she would try to become Queen of Spain, but she was living in Rio de Janeiro with the Portuguese court.

Any ideas of what could happen from this?
 
Yes, but remember than "salic law" was never a spanish tradition but a french one, and used as an excuse for the Carlist wars when queen Isabel II was the only heir. There would be a similar war, but since Spain has been conquered and is already in war, and so are Sicily and Portugal. So it falls to the one with the more powerful allies -and Portugal not only has legitimacy, but a long standing alliance with Britain, which has already sent an army to the peninsula and is on its way to (re)conquering it.A secon Iberian Union is quite likely on that timeline
 
Yes, but remember than "salic law" was never a spanish tradition but a french one, and used as an excuse for the Carlist wars when queen Isabel II was the only heir. There would be a similar war, but since Spain has been conquered and is already in war, and so are Sicily and Portugal. So it falls to the one with the more powerful allies -and Portugal not only has legitimacy, but a long standing alliance with Britain, which has already sent an army to the peninsula and is on its way to (re)conquering it.A secon Iberian Union is quite likely on that timeline

I'm not so sure about a second Iberian Union. At that time personal unions were not so common, it's easier to see the thrones split between Charlotte's sons, Pedro and Miguel. Actually this would be an interesting TL if there is still a fight between them, and the Portuguese Civil War becomes peninsular.

Also, Charlotte could pass later the throne to her eldest daughter, Maria Teresa, who was married to a Bourbon, Pedro Carlos, grandson of Charles III of Spain through his father, infante Gabriel of Bourbon.
 

Susano

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Well, obviously, Charles the Pretender strongly disagreed about the degree of Salic Law in Spain... and the rules of succession had to be changed for Isabella. In the end, though, I think it will all hinge on the British, on whom both Portugal and Sicily depend. So, which way would they go?
 
Well, obviously, Charles the Pretender strongly disagreed about the degree of Salic Law in Spain... and the rules of succession had to be changed for Isabella. In the end, though, I think it will all hinge on the British, on whom both Portugal and Sicily depend. So, which way would they go?

Well, Sicily would probably also have the support of Austria, as Ferdinand was married to a Habsburg princess, Marie Caroline. So it might count as an advantage. I think it depends on what would Sicily and Portugal offer to Britain. And as I said before, there is the option of use Pedro Carlos, who could be a third neutral alternative (although he died in 1812 IOTL, leaving a surviving infant, Sebastian de Borbon).
 

Susano

Banned
Sounds like agood compromise and a strong option. After all, Napoleons to be defeated, instead of having internal squabbles...
 
Wouldn't this iberian union eventually split when liberal revolutions occur on the penisula?
 
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