The Soviet-American/Nazi War

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Sorry for any mistakes...

What if instead the Soviets knocked out it was the British who throw in the towel and Pearl Harbor proceeded as OTL?
The Soviets would be more prepared,so would the German advance be even less successful?
Would the USN pull off a Mers-el-Kebir on the Royal Navy?
Could the US consolidate the former British colonies in Asia?
Will Britain descend into a civil war or be invaded by the US?
How will the Cold War become?
 
Yeah, dumb. The Dominions would either fight on or bow out, but no way in hell do they accept German occupation.

Nor would we let them. Not by occupying Canada but by sinking every German ship in the Atlantic, no matter what anyone thought. Better a war now where Germany can't get at you than a war later with PanzerArmeeKanada breathing down your neck.
 
Alright,first post here.
Sorry for any mistakes...

What if instead the Soviets knocked out it was the British who throw in the towel and Pearl Harbor proceeded as OTL?
The Soviets would be more prepared,so would the German advance be even less successful?
Would the USN pull off a Mers-el-Kebir on the Royal Navy?
Could the US consolidate the former British colonies in Asia?
Will Britain descend into a civil war or be invaded by the US?
How will the Cold War become?

Not sure what that first sentence means. Do you mean the Germans will attack Great Britain first instead of the Soviet Union and win or do you mean the British will surrender to the Nazis themselves and cause the Nazis to not invade the USSR for some reason?

because both scenarios would be very unlikely. The first one would need a successfull battle for Britain and some kind of sealion, which is impossible.

The second would mean a dead Churchill and then a different ideology for Hitler as he did attack the USSR even while still fighting Britain, so without that he would attack the USSR even sooner instead of not.

Its unlikely the USN would be able to intervene in a Nazi takeover of the UK and pull a sort of Mers-El-Kebir on the Home Fleet in Scapa Flow as they would need multiple carriers bigger than the Kido Butai that attacked Pearl Harbor to destroy or even effectivly damage the Royal Navy. They did not have those kind of ships in the Atlantic. The RN in Scapa Flow was bigger than what was in Pearl Harbor. More likely the British would do it to their own ships and scuttle them all, in open sea if they have to.

In case of Nazi occupation of the UK and the fall of the British government and monarchy the Commonwealth would declare independence, including UK's holdings in Asia.
 
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Roosevelt continues to supply the USSR with materiel, via Soviet flagged ships...

Japan has a somewhat easier time in their roll through SE Asia, but only initially - although I can imagine India being a problem for the Commonwealth... Perhaps independence is granted immediately, under the condition of continuing to fight the Japanese, but then the Indians say "that's fine, we'll take the independence and pass on the war"...

Germany progresses further in the USSR but still gets bogged down...

Serious knock-down drag-out arguments at high levels of Department of War in the USA, do we really go with Germany first or focus on Japan and leave Europe for last? If Europe is left for last, then the USSR continues to get supplied and are used to bleed out Germany in time for the eventual invasion to retake the UK and eventually the continent...

But that's just my inexpert opinion...
 
As an addendum, if we're referencing the Anglo-American Nazi war - remember, the USSR collapsed because of Stalin going purge crazy at just the wrong time...

Without that key mistake, I don't see the USSR collapsing...
 
As an addendum, if we're referencing the Anglo-American Nazi war - remember, the USSR collapsed because of Stalin going purge crazy at just the wrong time...

Without that key mistake, I don't see the USSR collapsing...

Actually, it was because of Germany not opening up a front in North Africa, allowing them to devote more forces to the Eastern Front.
 
As an addendum, if we're referencing the Anglo-American Nazi war - remember, the USSR collapsed because of Stalin going purge crazy at just the wrong time...

Without that key mistake, I don't see the USSR collapsing...

Actually, it was because of Germany not opening up a front in North Africa, allowing them to devote more forces to the Eastern Front.

Stalin going purge crazy was pretty much hand-wavium, and I can't see how the Afrika Korps on the Eastern Front makes that much more of a difference. Of course, Britain getting knocked out, let alone invaded and occupied, is an even bigger handwavium. I vaguely recall that happening in Blairwitch's "Manstein in Africa", but that whole TL was just blatant German/Axis-wank to begin with.
 
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