the south wins, can barrack be elected

Well to have Barrack Obama born, you need to still have his white ancestors in Kansas and the Southern states meet (I don't know when they moved to Kansas, but he's related to a southern politician). Then you have to get his Kenyan ancestors to meet (I think this one's more likely), then if somehow his parents are born (let alone the grandparents, and so on and so forth), we'd have to somehow get these two to meet, and have Barrack. If he's born, the vast divergences in history, particularly race relations in the United States, would have to coincide enough to get him to pursue a political career with the same goals, drive, and connections to allow him to reach the path of Presidency...

Well there you go, it's pretty damn impossible for him to be born at all in a CSA-Victory TL, let alone to be the same person. So there you go, I don't mean to come as an asshole; just wanted to spell out how improbable it would be for Barrack to come about, let alone become President.

Now could there have been a Black president in a CSA-victory TL. It really depends on how the US developed. As someone else pointed out, the Black population was small in the Union before the war, but this might still not prevent such an occurance. If you go with some of the TLs out there, I think in "TL-191", probably by the 21st century you could see a Black pres. Hell if you check out the "Black and Grey", you could for certain see a Black president of the CS. It really depends.

Hope this helps:)
 
In my kids' classes, only about half the kids could legally ever be president.

:eek:BUT HOLD ON! They'l change the law soon, so the Governator can become the Presinator, just like in all those 90s future history moves...Schwarzenegger 2012:D

(I'm really kidding, and I can't emphasize on this enough)
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In my kids' classes, only about half the kids could legally ever be president.


Are you referring to the old, very sexist and un-PC joke line about the young girl who's asked in class, "what do you want to be when you grow up?" says, "I want to be President of the United States"; to which a classmate replies, "you can't be President, you can only be 1st Lady":(? ;)
 
Are you referring to the old, very sexist and un-PC joke line about the young girl who's asked in class, "what do you want to be when you grow up?" says, "I want to be President of the United States"; to which a classmate replies, "you can't be President, you can only be 1st Lady":(? ;)
Nope, they were born outside the country. HWSmith is basically the 'immigrant specialist' school. Somalis, Bosnians, etc., etc. My wife briefly ran a Girl Scout troop, and not a single kid in the troop had both parents born in the US (including our daughter).

OK, I can't be president, that makes sense (heck, I still hold Canadian citizenship). That my kids' class-mates, who will have lived all but 1-10 years of their lives in the States, most of that as citizens, can't be is IMO silly.
 

Faraday Cage

Forget these guys. Union Obama is almost as good as Confederate Elvis. The phenomena of using butterflies for certain events but keeping other certain famous historical figures in different roles is called "Historical Inertia" or a "High Inertia" timeline.
 
If this timeline involves everything being exactly the same, just the US having no southern states, than yes.
 
If the confederacy wins the civil war in 2008 can Barrack Obama still be elected president of the United States?
I think the war will favor McCain as a former Veteran, even if the war ends before the election.
 
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