if the confederacy wins the civil war in 2008 can Barrack Obama still be elected president of the United States?
the south wins, can barrack be elected
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We have found the identity of Harry Turtledove on this site. The evidence is present in the form of utter disregard for butterflies.
President Nelson Mandela of South Africa is accused of being born in Australia.
No. Butterflies would almost definitely prevent him (as well as McCain, Biden, Palin, both Clinton's and Bush) from even being born.
However, I see that you are relatively new. For future referrence, you may want to ask something more like "If the Confederacy wins the Civil War, could an African American be elected President of the US in 2008?" To which the answer is probably yes.
Barrack : obviously a name given to an illegitimate offspring of a soldier, naming where he was conceived.
Obama : his father is obviously of Irish descent.
Well, despite the general prejudice against both bastards and the Irish, I think he probably has enough money behind his campaign that he can win. Now, of course, there's no way he could possibly run as a one of those conservative Democrats, the only possible party is the Republicans, home of bleeding heart liberals since Abe Lincoln's time.
Edit: At least he's not catholic.
oh crap I forgot about those, um, can a black man be elected president of the united states
or, perhaps, "in a 'Southern Victory' timeline akin to Turtledove's TL-191, can a (northern) United States citizen (please don't go anywhere else!) with significant Negro heritage be elected President?"
I know David bar Elias has a thread going which extrapolates TL-191, and I have not been following it closely enough to speculate based on that alone. Given that I have a foot of paper and six inches of videos to prioritize and probably shouldn't even be on this site tonight, I'll wing it.
It is probably fair to say that the ATL Obama (please ignore the butterflies, it's a short name with which to work) probably still needs an ethnic base to prime the voting pump. If a significant number of former CSA states have been re-enfranchised, then there may be a base of former slaves out there somewhere. To put this Obama over the top in a general election, you probably need at least one generation and maybe two of adults who have grown up seeing progress toward de jure if not de facto equality and integration within American society. If you have that, then enough voters are looking past the skin tone and at the candidate and the issues to give him a chance.
I got the impression from Turtledove's TL-191 that large tracts of the (northern) US remained leary of if not hostile to Negroes. That could hurt this ATL Obama, as these states will have the balance of the population.
Mr. A, sorry if I'm sidetracking you...
I know David bar Elias has a thread going which extrapolates TL-191, and I have not been following it closely enough to speculate based on that alone. Given that I have a foot of paper and six inches of videos to prioritize and probably shouldn't even be on this site tonight, I'll wing it.
It is probably fair to say that the ATL Obama (please ignore the butterflies, it's a short name with which to work) probably still needs an ethnic base to prime the voting pump. If a significant number of former CSA states have been re-enfranchised, then there may be a base of former slaves out there somewhere. To put this Obama over the top in a general election, you probably need at least one generation and maybe two of adults who have grown up seeing progress toward de jure if not de facto equality and integration within American society. If you have that, then enough voters are looking past the skin tone and at the candidate and the issues to give him a chance.
I got the impression from Turtledove's TL-191 that large tracts of the (northern) US remained leary of if not hostile to Negroes. That could hurt this ATL Obama, as these states will have the balance of the population.
Mr. A, sorry if I'm sidetracking you...
yes I fact one hasall kidding aside, in a CSA-victory TL Blacks would be a super small minority in the USA, in 1860 there were 4,441,830 black people in the USA, in the CSA states had 3,653,870 of those blacks, so 787,960 black people left in the USA (population 22,339,989)
Butterflies, butterflies, butterflies.
With two nations we will have a completely different history.
With two nations we will have a completely different history.
Barack Obama is a typical white person of Irish descent if the South won the Civil War therefore his name would be Barry O'Bannon, living in Kansas near the Union-Confederate border.
Butterflies aside...
This is America, where anyone can grow up to be President!
Actually, in an America without the South, it becomes much more plausible.
NomadicSky
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Yeah it does, although I don't see it anytime soon. When I see an openly gay governor somewhere thats a start.