The south is raisen

Again all books i have read and people teach me said that if Usa not capture Atlanta peace democrati would win elections.
And why McClellan was abado poltician?
He was a gifted administrator and was belove by his own troops.

Davies may not love neither Forrester and Stonewall but the latter was the right arm of Lee(has Marse Robert declared) and in many belive that he was able to win at Gettysburg having Jackson with him(Luraghi for exemple in Storia della guerra di secessione americana).
If Lee win a Gettysburg(the asb part may be the total annihilation of Potomac army, i may be right with you here) Longstreet may be dispatched in the west front to defend Tennessee with more soldier and Lee has still Jakson with him.

I see no great Asb in winning the war for surrender of Usa in '65, some aspect may be asb but i need them to be funny (Like Booth shoting Davis)

However i thanks you for suggestions and may be i'll look to controll my TL when it will be concluded.
 
Yeah, I realized I'd overstated on McClellan's political ineptness after posting. Whoops! What IS true, though, is that he wasn't in Lincoln's class as a politician. After all, he had alot less experience than Lincoln at running for office, and IMHO was outflanked politically when Lincoln removed him. And, he was too openly arrogant. Lincoln's popularity went up alot once the Union knew whom he was running against.

Let me bring back a key sentence: "That's because rates of fire had drifted high enough that defenders could routinely kill whole armies that were charging before they got there." Mere handfuls would reach the other lines, few enough and shocked enough that they were easy fodder for the men who'd been sitting waiting behind shelter.

And that's exactly what happened in virtually every battle in the Civil War - attackers faced terrible casualties. It's also what happened to the Italian Army in WWI, attacking Austria, and, in fact, to most armies in the war. The small Poland could turn back the giant USSR soon after. Turkey could halt a surprise attack at Gallipoli, later reinforced alot.

It was likely a consequence of that, somehow, that virtually nobody managed to quickly force whole armies like in WWII or Caesar in his civil war. The best Grant, the Civil War's winning general managed was, by taking the higher casualties he could afford, to push back, wound, or lay seige.
 
1874-1880:
Shortly before the vote, Gen. Nathan B. Forrest, left the army, financed a group of mercenaries by himself and landed on Cuba where the Spanish forces were definitely defeated by confederates and rebels.
On Oct. 2 he was appointed by the provisional government, general-in-chief of all the armies of the nation, he wrote to Richmond "Will win."
Election Day in the north of the Democrats McClellan, were defeated; in part because of the ongoing war in Cuba and Mexico.
James G. Blaine became president of the United States.
South Texas and the victory went to Luois Wigfall became president.

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The strong personality of Wigfall prevailed on the nation.
Shortly after being sworn in February 1875, Wigfall issued his famous decree "For the general amnesty," with which promised amnesty for those who had gone to fight at least a year in Mexico or Cuba
Being a man of sanguine character, and having, since the days of Fort Sumpter, a certain hostility to Bouregard sent him to patrol the new territory of Arizona.
His decision to grant amnesty made angry the north and considered it a low blow, so Blaine announced on 6/12/1875 that Unionist Congress passed the XIIIth amendment that abolished slavery and the Fourteenth which forbade secession .
Outraged Wigfall risks provoking a war by mobilizing the fleet to which he added new armored river.
But above all, after a secret interview, he sent Colonel Singleton Mosby to fight in Mexico.
It also seems to suggest to Nathan Forrest path, thanks to special loans from the treasury of the Confederate mercenaries known as William Quantrill Quantrill Riders, who after the death of their leader in 1865 were left without pay and acted like bandits in Missouri.

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Thanks to these new, determined and ruthless, troops; the military genius of Nathan B. Forrest could be used at full capacity.
Unfortunately, the president Wigfall could not see the success that only two years later, his general brought him, because he had a stroke while on his way to Kentucky for a presidential visit, February 18, 1875, and died.
Samuel B. Maxey became the fifth president of the CSA.

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Unlike its predecessor, Maxey, did not like the use of violence for its inability to manage the supply to the troops; and in effect for the duration of his term Maxey was rather overshadowed by his cabinet, which he leaved the task of governing.
The consequences were a revival of inflation and the defeat in the midterm elections of 1876 where the federal retook Congress, although he was very attentive to the continuation of the Trans-Dixie, which arrived in Memphis.
His plan to standardize the federal railways was frustrated by the new Congress.
But it was under him that it came at the end of the war in Mexico.
Moreover, the serious chaos caused by war was not yet completely resorbed and was forced to stop construction of the Trans-Dixie and many divergent funding (with an economic crisis acuirisi) towards industrialization that seemed forced and unnecessary.
The U.S., slowly began to withdraw troops from Mexico and sought a voluntary agreement with the South.
Despite the criticism that rained down on him, especially not to be elected president but his vice, Maxey showed a strong personality and personal held negotiations with the Union government that led to peace in Los Angeles and the division of Mexico in two states, the Republic Juaristia in the north of the country with capital Hermosillo in the state of Sonora and the Empire of Central Mexico in Mexico City.
Eache a protectorate of most powerfull nations in the north.
Mosby, left without a job, took over the command of the Southerners mercenaries in Cuba sinc Forrester had died from a severe attack of diabetes.
The Gray Ghost lead to end the war against Spain, after ten years Spaign finally decided not to hold the island and retreated, by signing the Treaty of Zanjón that transformed Cuba from colony to sovereign state.
However, the independence of the new republic did not last long, in fact Monsby and took his presidential palace and seized power.
A national congress instructed in July '79 asked admission to CSA, who suddenly agreed.
Naturally, the action provoked the reaction of the U.S. and Spain but none of the two powers did nothing to actively oppose the annexation of Cuba
The Democratic National Convention in Lexinton (KY) as candidates chose two men of prestige, Piere T. G. Beauregard who had won the battle of Manassas and as vice David M. Key from Tennessee, who was postmaster general of Maxey.
Convention federalist in Tallhasee (FL) gave confidence to the Governor of Virginia Frederick W. M. Holliday (former governor of Virginia) and former governor of Florida, George F. Drew.
Despite a very tight campaign the national-democratic to take home the presidency also precisely thanks to the prestige of Bouregard.
 
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Onyx

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Good Update, but there's one problem:

Seward died in 1872, two years before he became president.
Maybe you should replace him with Blaine, Grant, etc.
 
However, the independence of the new republic did not last long, in fact Monsby and took his presidential palace and seized power.
A national congress instructed in July '79 asked admission to CSA, who suddenly agreed.
Naturally, the action provoked the reaction of the U.S. and Spain but none of the two powers did nothing to actively oppose the annexation of Cuba
This is a Mistake, The Cubans will turn around and start fighting the Confeds, and Spain will turn around and begin slipping Supplies and other aid to the Rebels with US help.
When Spain annouces that She doesn't recognize the Annexation, None of the Other European countries will recognize it either.
Cuba has a free black population of 25%, [of total population] compared to the 3~4% maximium in any other Confed States.
I doubt if this Cuba will have the Mass Italian/South Europe Immigration of the 1880's~1910 that raised the white population from 50% to the 1950's 70~75%

Cuba has very strict laws about treatment of Slaves, keeping Slave Families together, Pay for Slaves [Rented], Slaves ability to buy their freedom, ect.
None of this will sit well with any Confed who travels to Cuba, Nor will the thousands of Black Cubans who were a intregal part of the Rebel [Cuban] Army.


Railroad
I see the Texacans building their long planned [1850's] Galverston - Dallas - Ft Worth - Santa Fe Railroad, and then extenting it east to New Orleans, and west to Tiajuana.
As New Orleans is the Largest Port [and City] in the CS, and Galverston is the 2nd largest on the Gulf, This in effect gives the CS the "Texas Transcontinital".
 
Thankas again for suggestions and corrections.

I'll correct Cuba question, but i belive that CSA will take Cuba in some way, it is the center of Golden Circle no?
 
In the 1940's~1950's American and Cuban Currency traded at One to One, and most Businesses didn't differentiate. You were as likely to see either Currency in the Cash register.

I don't doubt that Cuba will be heavily controlled by the Confeds, Maybe even getting Gitmo as a Naval Base, Aka British Hong Kong.
I just can not see the Cubans accepting any official Status as any kind of Confed dependency.

This will also apply to the Confeds control of Tijuana.
Massive Confed investment, turning Tijuana economically and culturally into the Confeds western terminus of the Texas Transcontinental. But no [formal] political control.

The 13th Amendment was introduced in 1863, ?Why did it take till 1875 to pass?

?What is happening with Haiti? OTL the US didn't recognize Haiti till after the ACW. I doubt if the CS will recognize them till the 1900's, ?But what about the US?
 
May be i'm wrong but is not 13° emendement after Gettysburg?
If yes simply it was not done, if not i'm simply wrong :)

I suppose that CSA may reòase Cuba as puppet after a long rounds of wars.
and i'm planning mexico empire destroyed by Diaz.
Also if i leave to CSA some portions of land down south...a rail from Galverstorn to Oaxaca?

I have don't think nothing about...but i have two ideas:
1) it become a faithfull CSA ally full of free blacks from the south(their place took by immigrants) OR
2) A satellite of Usa against the CSA

What you think about?

Thanks...i'll hope you enjoy
 
1880-1886:
Beauregard was a military and thought like a soldier.
The Transdixie that under Wigfall and Maxey had bogged down due to opposition from the Congress dominated by the Federalist party was to be set in work again.
So, as first act, President Beauregard with a daring constitutional move received by the Congress the approval to reconstruction of railways destroyed during the war to happen with standard materials.
These new railways were called "Piere Tracks".
With this trick he used the powers to made Trans-Dixie moving along destroyed pre-bellum tracks.
Beauregard, too, was very interested in the development of new weapons and under him the first two oceangoing submarines were built : RE Lee and Jefferson Davis, the first two class Lee.
For General Lee and Stonewall also devoted its most colossal undertaking, the construction of two enormous fortresses river could be together at Vicksburg, a chain of protection for the River.
Where the Missouri empties into the Mississippi River at Wickliffe (KY) built Fort Johnson and south to the mouth of the Mississippi has erected a series of fortifications around New Orleands and culminating in the construction of Fort Lee in Algiers just in front of the city New Orleans.

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The work will occupy the entire course of his presidency.
In foreign policy, found it necessary to act right now against the Unionist intervention to Bolivia side in what has become known as the "Pacific War".
Knowing that the Congress would not have allowed the Union to declare war and knowing that it would be a risky move to say the least, he opted for a new proxy war by sending reinforcements and volunteers led once again by the "gray ghost."
The war, began a year earlier, was due to finish in 1884.
On March 13, 1880 Wabash, Indiana, United States, it was brightly lit by the use of electricity.
Beauregard was also very impressed and pledged that the South could boast such a marvel, his choice fell on New Orleans, the most free, rich, gorgeouse and fun, city in the whole south.
Despite opposition to the Union in the long pacific war, the CSA in 1881 formed the agreement of Cairo (IL) where he was set up a Red Cross America could act in both countries.
On July 2, shortly before the inauguration of the Academy of Tuskagee, Alabama, U.S. President James Garfield was assassinated by his vice president become so Cherster A. Arthur.
the 4 of the same month was opened by rich Free-Blacks Tuskagee the College who served on the education of blacks.
Virtually every state in the Deep South in revolt broke out but the obvious fact that a class of blacks, integrated into civilian life of the federal government would serve to limit the protest against slavery reduced the disagreement in some hothead.
Though it took some time for the controversy to subside.

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The Confederate government also issued an order against the outlaws who rode in Arizona after the firefight dell'Ok Corral on October 26, 1881.
Northern president Arthur suggested to Beauregard a common law that would regulate immigration flows from Europe, so he signed March 8, 1882 is what is known as the "Treaty of exclusion", which prevent poor, disabled and chinese peoples access to the two American nations, after a bitter and long discussion Italians were considerate whites and were allowed to enter in both countries
Beauregard was also enlightened enough to understand that the present situation with slavery could not continue.
Too many free blacks and too few bosses.
The "Slavery Act, though not abolish slavery because of the strength of the Congress, did approve a very human regulations just working in Cuba (legal recognition of slave families, the possibility of buying the freedom).
Conducive to heavy industry, withdrew the law on the goods of war and industry state that was in force since the birth of the CSA.
The Confederate president could then show another success, the Trans-Dixie came to Memphis (TN) and Louisiana and Mississippi, under the auspices presidential agreed to align the rail hooks to those of trans-Dixie adopting Piere Track.
Probably the most success in Beauregard presidency was the purchase, by France, a great stock of confederate small arms to use in their colonies.
Though employee for most of the finished products, not just the federal government was capable of arming its soldiers but also to sell weapons abroad.
Proving that the landowners were no longer the driving force behind the country in Texas was founded the "Standard Oil Trust and brings together the major oil producing state and the next year that pushes the state of Alabama to vote on an anti - Trust that prevented the formation of cartels by restricting the freedom of economic initiative and competition, fast, Louisiana, Mississippi and Indian Territory following the heels.
Louisiana was founded a state company for the extraction and processing of oil in the gulf.
On 13 January of that year was signed the Treaty of Muscakee between Richmond and the five tribes that established the birth of the state of Sequoyah entirely Indian.

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A similar agreement was tried with the Apache, Hopi and Navajo who lived in the territory of Arizona.
The agreement was reached but did not lead to the birth of the state of Pueblo as had been thought.
In 1884, foreign policy, there was the end of the Pacific War with the victory of Chile ally of Csa, which tore the maritime provinces of Bolivia.
At first the northerner president Arthur wanted to intervene directly, but was discouraged by the need to avoid a direct confrontation with the CSA.
Also because southern economy boomed; for the first time, in early 1885, the dollar value of exports of finished products was more great than the earnings of cotton and tobacco.
In New Orleans, in 1885, was inaugurated the world exhibition dedicated to cotton and its derivatives.
It was an incredible success for New Orleans and throughout the south.

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Richmond, then, also sent delegates to the Congress of Berlin, Started in December, by which the European powers were preparing to divide the continent into spheres of influence.
The presence of delegates fear the Confederates had intended to acquire territories in Africa so that we can legitimately imported slaves blacks, but it was not made any demands and Beauregard was clear in specifying that it was only to "observe and judge the Europeans if there were endanger safety of the Confederate States of America. "
Secretly, however, the CSA is committed to support French claims had they not pursue the abolition of slavery.
The refusal of France froze relations between the two countries.
The election period saw the convection of the NDP election rally in Richmond and entrust the race to David M. Key (TN) Vice Beauregard, who chose as vice president August H. Garland.
The faithful, gathered in Paducah, chose instead chose two personalities Deep South Middleton P. Borrow from Alabama and James P. Tagliaferro from Florida.
The prestige of Beauregard and the excellent administration that had led the National Democratic Party easily won another election and David M. Key became president only losing Alabama, Florida and South Carolina.
 

Onyx

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Nice update

I like the flag, my only question is that you should mention europe in this hisotry as well
 
1886-1892

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The whole course of the administration on key occupied by the Mexican civil war.
The agreement was signed in San Diego, which gave a little 'breathing space to the Central American country, collapsed miserably in the death of Emperor Maximilian of Habsburg, on 19 June 1887 as a result of syphilis.
To take up arms was the first republic in the north of Mexico under the leadership of Porfirio Diaz, who had taken the place of Juarez.
The Republican troops violated the borders of July 4, 1887.
The army, personally led by Diaz himlsef, noved on Mexico City
There resist the troops loyal to Charlotte of Mexico under the command of the Former Confederate General Joseph Wheeler, who commanded both the Mexican army and mercenary volunteers confederates.
So the second civil war broke out in Mexico, which was the second proxy war between the USA and CSA.
But the war was not the only event of the presidency Key.
The most notable was in 1888, the arrival of the Trans-Dixie-to El Paso so they can intervene in the Mexican civil war more effectively.
But perhaps, even if unnoticed by most, was more important, on 5 May 1886 Coca-Cola by the pharmacist John Pemberton in Atlanta.

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Racial tensions that the war had subsided with the defeat of the Union went on again when free blacks in Cuba took up arms to free themselves from the game confederate.
The beginning of the uprising against the South saw an active participles by Northerners mercenaries and volunteers who landed in Haiti and from there made him get on the island of Cuba with a technique they learned directly from their opponents.
The command of the color was given voluntarily Nelson Miles.
To counter this move, Key took a blow with the eastern part of the island of Haiti, that the Dominican Republic.
In 1888, Key was forced to issue two decrees are very important, the first concerned the right of women to vote, there were too many widows and single mothers to ignore them even though many years had passed since the civil war, but above all too many women had entered in the gears of politics and society, because banks and operated farms, shops and factories, were secretaries, switchboard operators, administrators and could no longer ignore.
But they did not receive even the opportunity to be elected to state offices.
It was a maneuver very modern (only Wyoming had granted them the right to vote in 1869 and only for the election of the state) and dealt a further blow to the dying agrarian class was shot to death when the empire of Brazil, the only another slave state of the world abolished slavery.
There were real battles in Congress and it also came to physical confrontation.
On the streets of the cities of the Confederation of blacks attend rallies and in some cases, as in Atlanta, it degenerated into urban guerrilla warfare.
All this while in 1889, Gen. Wheeler suffered a disastrous defeat at the hands of Union General Samuel Breck at Querretaro and the army of Diaz could come triumphant in Mexico City.
The defeat made her forget for a while the issue of slavery and Key prepared for a war with the Union.
Instead Northerners decided not to take advantage of the benefit also because the U.S. fleet in Samoa had risked a war against Imperial Germany and only a hurricane had prevented the conflict, so the President European Groover Cleveland merely install a friendly government in Washington, still struggle lasted until 1891 and ended with the agreement of Guatemala City where the defeated Confederate States recognized the Republic of Mexico, but it broke away from it the southern part (Tabasco, Tuxtla, Campeche, Yucatan) that formed the republic of Mexico of the south.
Years to come, Ciudad del Carmen became a major base of the Confederate Navy.
In Cuba, the situation seemed rather slowly returning to normal.
In 1889 the defeat of Callixte Garcia, who commanded the rebels seemed to give the Confederates a chance and a uncertain peace descended on the island because many rebels and mercenaries still held the Sierra Central.
In Brazil, Pedro II was deposed by a coup of the oligarchs (landlords along the lines of Confederate planters) and all were afraid of the outbreak of another war, the emperor, however, accepted the fait accompli and retired in England.
Now that a war does not affect directly the finances to bring the Confederate Key Trans-Dixie to Yuma through Tucson.
The attempt, however, to standardize the transepts and the railway tracks was again rejected.
Key but managed to convince Arkansas and Alabama to regulate on "Pierre Tracks".
The 1891 campaign opened with the conventions and the lynching of 11 Italians in the city of New Orleans charged with murder.
The Italians had only the main group of immigrants who had been attracted by the policy of the nation Southern Beauregard, many had chosen just New Orleans.
The conventions, ignoring this event, SSI gathered.
The National Democrats gathered in Kenneth, Missouri Southern (SMI) which was the capital after the loss of St. Luois, their choice fell on Key's deputy, August H. Garland while the Federalists gathered at Vicksburg and chose FRT Nicholls, the outgoing governor of Louisiana and was appointed as his deputy Robert B. Lindsay.
Although a narrow margin, Garland won the elections and became president.
 
I'm sorry for no updated this.

I need advices, in my scenario is the south likely ready to fight a war?
I'm obviusly speaking of WWI and what side it will take?

Or CSA will focus over Mexico when Usa will be distracted by European war?

suggestions?
 
Again i ask suggestion.
How the two nations will work in a great war?
Fight alongside?
Fight against each other?
Or CSA will stay neutral?
or, instead, will attack Mexico while Usa shall go in Europe to fight?

I suppose that Zimmerman telegram, here may lead to a CSA-Mexico war no?
 
This is my fist developed timeline...i'll be glad to continue to writre it alongside Confoederatio Italica.
I need only some suggestions...what will happen in 1914 when the WWI erupted?

And what you think if the CSA developed in a black nation?
May be explode a somekind of russian-styled revolution, or the CSA may lose a war.
The black should be 50% of the population if no more in 1900s or am i wrong?

What you think?
I need suggestions.
Thanks
 
The South Is Raisen would be an excellent title for a timeline where there Confederacy successfully breaks away but subsequently shrinks and shrivels to a rump state.
 
The Spanish navy at that time would destroy any plausible Confederate fleet while the Spanish army would greatly outclass any plausible CSA invasion force of Cuba, let alone a mere collection of mercenaries.

There is also no chance of ocean going submarines being developed in the 1880s.

Neither would any non-suicidal president of the US agree to yield territories like Missouri entirely in US hands and strongly held.

The idea of it taking fifteen years after the war ends for the CSA to even set up a plan to rebuild the railroads...
 
Having reread this I find a number of questions.
1. Why and how would the south receive all of Arizona as Union forces controlled all of it and all of New Mexico.
2. So you just buttefly away General Grant?
3. More on Arizona Yuma was a strong point the main supply post for the US Army in the Southwest. It was suppiled by steamboats up the Colorado river. No way is any US president going to give it away.
4. From your writing I gather you do not think that the bondage of one human by another was wrong.
I have more questions but will wait to ask them after I see your responce
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I think there would be a rematch by at least 1880 as the North helped Mexico throw the French out.
 
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The South Is Raisen would be an excellent title for a timeline where there Confederacy successfully breaks away but subsequently shrinks and shrivels to a rump state.
You do a TL in Italian, and then I'll listen to your carping.

We've got a large number of people on this board for whom English is (at best) a second language, and they have made many valuable contributions. Snarking at language errors is such cases is totally counterproductive. (Pointing them out politely, especially in a PM privately, is different.)

I have tried working in my second language (French), and I am very glad the responses I got there were as polite as MOST people here are in such cases.


Now. When the poster is a native English speaker and doesn't care to use correct spelling and grammar, I'm prepared to be snarky, but I can only be awed by some of the foreign members of this board.

To all non-anglophones out there - thanks for contributing.
 
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