Excellent update!

I doubt the Sapa Inka would appreciate your humor. But an able worker is always better than an... Unable one, just don't cause trouble.

ANYWAY, I read the TL again because I'd sort of forgotten it in the last month, and it's pretty amazing.

Well sir, in light of the recent successes, I think you should, for one, welcome your new Quitan overlords. Glory to Atahualpa!
 
Ah, the Mapuche were able to stop the empire southern expansion cold decades before. With new weaponry and tactics they can be pushed back anew.
 
Great update! I'm really enjoying the developments in Tawantinsuyu and how they're finding new ways to utilize the Andes to their advantage.

Ah, the Mapuche were able to stop the empire southern expansion cold decades before. With new weaponry and tactics they can be pushed back anew.

Or maybe some of the Mapuche become allies/mercenaries to the Sapa Inka? If the Mapuche can remain independent and inflict defeats on the Spanish and Chileans to the 1880s OTL, they could be incredibly valuable to the struggle for an independent native Andean state ITTL. Stranger peoples have become allies before no doubt.
 
I see a glorious future for the Inca on the Rio de La Plata in the near future. Or rather, the sooner Quechua farmers get established there, the better the Inca will be able to control the area. That's settler colony terrain; few if any agricultural societies, low population density, highly fertile and temperate.
 
If Quito isn't the capital of the great and glorious Inca Empire, I'll be very dissapointed.

I'M SORRY, WHAT? You want them to go from the NAVEL OF THE UNIVERSE to some backwater town in the jungle?

Looks like Tupaq Yupanki forgot to finish indoctrinating you guys. You should know how superior the central highlands are.

If Quito IS the capital of Tawantinsuyu then I will be ready to fuckin assimilate the northerners and start a second goddam civil war.
 
I see a glorious future for the Inca on the Rio de La Plata in the near future. Or rather, the sooner Quechua farmers get established there, the better the Inca will be able to control the area. That's settler colony terrain; few if any agricultural societies, low population density, highly fertile and temperate.
Very, very far from its center of power and very, very hard to link to the Altiplano. Inca influence will certainly spread throughout the northwest of Argentina (Jujuy, Salta and Tucumán at least), and maybe down the Andes, but probably won't exert any direct control over the River Plate basin.
 
For the short term I see more expansion along the Andes mountain chain. More mineral resources to make iron, better defensibility against Spanish incursions and a more familiar terrain for the Inca. The River Plate Basin? They can reach it but unlikely to do so before the Spanish or Portuguese.
 
That's like saying "If Harbin isn't the capital of China, I'll be disappointed."

Harbin should've been the capital of China. It's not my fault that Mao decided to ignore all my letters.

Having Quito as a capital isn't too far fetchet. It's a great city and Atahualpa currently has his base of power there. Perhaps he can't change it oficially (as in, moving the imperial court and all that) but using it as an administrative and militar capital makes sense. There he wouldn't be threatened by the nobles of Cusco and would allow quicker response once the Spaniards start attacking again.
 
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Harbin should've been the capital of China. It's not my fault that Mao decided to ignore all my letters.

Having Quito as a capital isn't too far ferchet. It's a great city and Atahualpa currently has his base of power there. Perhaps he can't change it oficially (as in, moving the imperial court and all that) but using it as an administrative and militar capital makes sense. There he wouldn't be threatened by the nobles of Cusco and would allow quicker response once the Spaniards start attacking again.
I can totally see Quito as a "Second Capital" as Cusco like La Paz and Sucre to OTL Bolivia. And I say this as a Peruvian!
 
I can totally see Quito as a "Second Capital" as Cusco like La Paz and Sucre to OTL Bolivia. And I say this as a Peruvian!


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Do you happen to live on the coast?
 
Very, very far from its center of power and very, very hard to link to the Altiplano. Inca influence will certainly spread throughout the northwest of Argentina (Jujuy, Salta and Tucumán at least), and maybe down the Andes, but probably won't exert any direct control over the River Plate basin.

....the Rio de La Plata is downriver from their power base in the Andes, and it's faster to reach Buenos Aires from most of Bolivia than it is to get to say, Lima. I completely disagree; it's the natural expansion of power for the Inca Empire. The jungles are anathema, the Mapuche are annoying and not particularly wealthy, and the Spanish are established to the north. Not to mention, the Spanish explored more of South America as a result of the conquest of the Inca, establishing a settlement which they promptly abandoned, only to try again in 1580 once controlling the mouth of the river became critical to stop smugglers from the Andes avoiding shipping out of Callao. Likewise, the Inca are likely to see the Rio de La Plata as a strategic point of control not unlike the US and New Orleans. Not only are the Inca far closer, able to more easily ship settlers and soldiers than any European power, but they're also likely to see Buenos Aires as the ideal point of contact with Europe; a place to trade where they can easily send their goods downriver, cut out any Spanish middlemen from Panama and Colombia, and isolate Europeans to a single city where they are unlikely to venture into the heartland. I'd expect it to have a notable European population, likely plenty of Portuguese, Dutch, and English, but the Quechua will undoubtedly dominate such a settlement. The majority of Europeans won't be settling down as farmers; maybe their mixed offspring with local Quechua and Charrua will, but not too many. They won't die en masse and require constant replenishment of manpower like in the Indian Ocean and Sub-Saharan Africa, but their numbers are unlikely to be more than a large minority, even in a boomtown scenario.
 
....the Rio de La Plata is downriver from their power base in the Andes, and it's faster to reach Buenos Aires from most of Bolivia than it is to get to say, Lima. I completely disagree; it's the natural expansion of power for the Inca Empire. The jungles are anathema, the Mapuche are annoying and not particularly wealthy, and the Spanish are established to the north. Not to mention, the Spanish explored more of South America as a result of the conquest of the Inca, establishing a settlement which they promptly abandoned, only to try again in 1580 once controlling the mouth of the river became critical to stop smugglers from the Andes avoiding shipping out of Callao. Likewise, the Inca are likely to see the Rio de La Plata as a strategic point of control not unlike the US and New Orleans. Not only are the Inca far closer, able to more easily ship settlers and soldiers than any European power, but they're also likely to see Buenos Aires as the ideal point of contact with Europe; a place to trade where they can easily send their goods downriver, cut out any Spanish middlemen from Panama and Colombia, and isolate Europeans to a single city where they are unlikely to venture into the heartland. I'd expect it to have a notable European population, likely plenty of Portuguese, Dutch, and English, but the Quechua will undoubtedly dominate such a settlement. The majority of Europeans won't be settling down as farmers; maybe their mixed offspring with local Quechua and Charrua will, but not too many. They won't die en masse and require constant replenishment of manpower like in the Indian Ocean and Sub-Saharan Africa, but their numbers are unlikely to be more than a large minority, even in a boomtown scenario.
Contact between Buenos Aires and the Altiplano isn't as straightforward as you say, and I think the fact that IOTL Buenos Aires was unable to keep control of Alto Peru (but Lima managed to reassert its authority in the region) seems to point in that direction. The River Plate basin is part of the Paraná/Uruguay river system, and it leads to the Mato Grosso region of Southern Brazil, not towards the Andes, and its terrain is very different to what the Inca are used to, and while not unsuited to the Inca crops, European crops will thrive even more in the lowlands.

And, unlike the sparsely populated and primarily nomadic Pampas, the north of Argentina is populated by more organized tribes, both the ones that are already on the periphery of the Inca civilization in the Northwest and the tribes that populate the Chaco and the Northeast like the Guaraní or the Wichi/Qom, who proved tough nuts to crack even into the 20th century. Any advance into the plains will be made even harder by the introduction of horses to the Pampas, not unlike the impact they had on the Plains Indians in North America.

Everything that made the River Plate basin strategically significant IOTL will still be true ITTL, but with an even wealthier and more powerful Perú; in all likelihood, any settlement at the mouth of the River Plate will be important for the reasons you say, as a gateway from the Atlantic to South America and from South America to the Atlantic, but it's very, very far away from the powerbases of the different empires in the region (even Brazil had difficulty exerting its influence in the region successfully, with centuries of technological development in the interim), and the locals will be in a better position that IOTL.
 
If Quito isn't the capital of the great and glorious Inca Empire, I'll be very dissapointed.

Cool rulers will just build their own city. Which is why it would be totes mcgotes if a successor of Atahualpa moved to the capital to Jocay (Manta). But a costeño can dream, can he?
 
Contact between Buenos Aires and the Altiplano isn't as straightforward as you say, and I think the fact that IOTL Buenos Aires was unable to keep control of Alto Peru (but Lima managed to reassert its authority in the region) seems to point in that direction. The River Plate basin is part of the Paraná/Uruguay river system, and it leads to the Mato Grosso region of Southern Brazil, not towards the Andes, and its terrain is very different to what the Inca are used to, and while not unsuited to the Inca crops, European crops will thrive even more in the lowlands.

And, unlike the sparsely populated and primarily nomadic Pampas, the north of Argentina is populated by more organized tribes, both the ones that are already on the periphery of the Inca civilization in the Northwest and the tribes that populate the Chaco and the Northeast like the Guaraní or the Wichi/Qom, who proved tough nuts to crack even into the 20th century. Any advance into the plains will be made even harder by the introduction of horses to the Pampas, not unlike the impact they had on the Plains Indians in North America.

Everything that made the River Plate basin strategically significant IOTL will still be true ITTL, but with an even wealthier and more powerful Perú; in all likelihood, any settlement at the mouth of the River Plate will be important for the reasons you say, as a gateway from the Atlantic to South America and from South America to the Atlantic, but it's very, very far away from the powerbases of the different empires in the region (even Brazil had difficulty exerting its influence in the region successfully, with centuries of technological development in the interim), and the locals will be in a better position that IOTL.


Didn't Argentina spend half a century of its independence in various civil wars? I'm not well-versed in the area's history, but I recall this much. Saying that Argentina couldn't keep Bolivia seems...misleading when accounting for the fact that it's Argentina that's downriver to Bolivia as well and not vice-versa. If anything an entity centered in Bolivia not being able to control Buenos Aires would be a better point of contention. And Lima didn't reassert its authority over Bolivia; the Peru-Bolivian Confederation was essentially a Bolivian-led union and Lima spent its time in the union incredibly unhappy with not being the seat of power. Also: RIP Peru-Bolivia :(

As for subjugating the northern rivers, I don't see it as something impossible for the Inca to pull off at all. Right now they'd have a military edge over the natives that's likely only going to grow in the very near future, and the introduction of the horse is unlikely to greatly alter this for at least a few generations. I'm not trying to claim they'd be easy conquests, but I do believe the Inca would see it as the softest target out of all available options outside of, say, maritime adventures in the South Pacific and subjugating Easter Island or something. I could see the Inca being quite fascinated with China, much like the Europeans were.

EDIT: And I thought Brazil was primarily settled in the north in its early existence, with the South being settled much later. Not being able to project power easily in the region makes sense under that scenario.
 
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