But modernization is often inspired by national enthusiasm or synergetically combined with it. Let us recall Meiji in Japan, industrialization in Stalinist Russia, Korea under Pak Jeong-Hee, modern Ukraine.With some reservations, the USA during the struggle for independence.
The Sons of Inti Shall Not Perish
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Jesuits will be incredibly stronger than in OTL, and Spain and Portugal will be gnashing their teeth.
In modern Quechua, "Wiraqucha" is used as a direct translation of "Lord" in Bible. So, syncretism is possible.
It sounds like a heresy, but if the Jesuits manage to compel or bribe (by Inca gold!) a conclave to elect a Jesuit Pope, no one will pay serious attention to theological issues in the very distant and mysterious country.
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Perhaps Tawantisuyu society will do a Japan and have Christianity for marriage and funerals but the traditional faith for daily worship and prayer (a la Buddhism and Shinto in the Japan example)? I can't remember if Japanese people get baptised, but here the Incans might. Thus for the purposes of storytelling those that want to keep a level of traditional religion will be sated and they'll also be some degree of conversion that won't help entirely but will help more than nothing. After all, heathens are much worse than heretics.
On that note, would escaped slaves try and escape to the Tawantinsuyu to obtain freedom in the future?
Be interesting to see the goepolitical effects caused by the Jesuits being more successful at converting natives than the European powers
Unpredictable. Incas knew conception of slavery, there were about 10000 slaves in the empire, so-called yanakuna. In OTL they rebelled against the government and helped the Spaniards. But in the TTL the Incas had time to recognize this threat and eliminate slavery as an institution. Fifty-fifty.
The bigger issue is surely that most of the slaves are going to be kept along long way from the andes.
The Jesuits were aware of the production of steel, gunpowder, firearms and ships, or they knew and could bring to Tawantinsuyu people who could be hired to carry out these works. Almost unlimited financial resources of Tawantinsuyu would allow the Jesuits to bribe many officials and engineers around the world, then establish the training and research work on the ground. Over time, the Incas would have pushed the Spaniards and Portuguese out of South America, seriously claiming a part of North America and eventually would have become one of the world's largest geopolitical players. Now it would be a country at least comparable to China.
Not to mention many Inca labor projects were not only done by slaves and locals, often in a way that the locals themselves profited themself from whatever they were building, whiel at the same time many of this building projects keept people to occuoied to think about revolting or other stuff like that. It was a smart system in some ways, unlike their mummy idolising (and the panaqa system) that had started to become a problem at the time the Spanish arrived OTL, because mummies kept their labors, slaves and stuff (even if it was administrtaed by someone else after their death) and these mummy holdings made up a majority of Cuzco already at that time, while it helped ursurpators to claim the throne when they could get the support of some of these houses for whatever reasons. In the bigger picture I thing that the mummy/panaca problem is much worse for Inca society than slavery or forced labor at all.
I can agree that this will give a huge boost to the order in it's global reach. Though I highly doubt they can go about conquering South America like you say they can
In this matter, Christianity could have a positive impact. As OTL showed, the Incas could quickly abandon many doubtful habits. And the Jesuits were known as good teachers and polemicists, sufficient to convince them.
The Incas had a high birth rate and a comparatively low mortality rate due to a competent social policy. Epidemics would soon be over, and rapid population growth would begin. Significantly higher than the Creoles in the territories occupied by Spain and Portugal. The indigenous population of these territories would also sympathize with the Incas. This would be good prerequisites for the Deconquista.
Ooh, I like this. A faith that is nominally christian but so 'syncretic' that it's basically just a veneer of lip-service and bribery pulled over proper old paganism.
Sort of like some people from modern Bali, claiming that 'oh of course our gods are just facets and minions of Allah' and discreetly flipping off the muslims when they aren't looking.
All early Christianity is summed up by the first line of this quote, one of my favorite examples is a series of churches built not because of population but because they were all on sites sacred to the local pagan religions (they were all on islands in the middle of some swamp in south east England part of a pre-historic trackway complex where sacrifices of swords, people and goods into the waters took at place until the 14,00's) another example is before the counter reformation in France for example their were few seminaries most parish priests were openly married and there were aprox 2000 shrines built directly on springs and wells that had been used as sacred sites by pagans for thousands of years (my memory is hazing regards number of shrines unless I look it up lol) most new world converts were the same as the first line until hundreds of years after conquest as well...
I think they could get away with an imperial title, in fact the Jesuit would likely also push for it, as it would make the Inca's conversion more impressive in eyes of the Europeans.
On the other hand, naming themselves emperors would bring them back to square one with the Spanish.
Technology at the time didn't work in that manner, it was't institution of learning which upkept the European technological edge, it was millions of craftmens, who took apprentices. The Jesuit could serve to help these to move to the Andeans, and create a domestic skill base. But it will be behind Europe, and need a continued new influx of Europeans to continue develop it. That's not necessary bad, Sweden needed the influx of Wallon miners to develop their mining industry and now they're one of the world most developed states.
I don't think the Spanish would care much about that part, no one really objected to the petty imperial titles of the Balkans. The Spanish would object to the kings of Europe declaring themselves Emperor, as they would see it as a attack on the West Roman imperial title, but that's not the title the Inca would claim.