Because he would get his ass kicked so badly the Spanish would never try to touch the Incas again...right...right
The Sons of Inti Shall Not Perish
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And so the war comes to the Andes. With the Welsers still around and the Potosi silver undug, I am intrigued at how this shall go.
I do enjoy the way this isn't a wank. Your answer for what would happen if the Inca's beat pizarro is they'd have to fight wave after wave of new spanish attacks. It's a hard path they're treading.
Portugal is currently squabbling with the French over Brazil, and King John III's heir is s three year old. But they are aware that something lies behind the sunset.
Any one army is still bigger then the Spanish voice. But even those segments that have regularly met the Spanish are having a tough time maintaining any level of experience.
Population estimate will come once I reach a more convenient stopping point.
This TL is written from a vaguely European perspective, so obviously the Tawantinsuyu/Their Descendents do not take kindly to Belacazar. But to the myth of "The glorious colonizer" (which IMHO is inevitable in any region that embarks on large scale colonialism) Belacazar is remembered as the man who brought Spain to South America. Slightly dim anti-colonialists might like him because he didn't spend his whole life directly conquering shit.
As for what this says about future Spanish influence I will say nothing.
On the bright side Ninancoro is such a non-entity that a 3-way succession war is unlikely!
The Inca were not unaware of the "drop rocks from a cliff onto your enemy strategy."
By calling it the 1st means that there will be many more wars ahead
Well, at least one more.
Yes. This is not the last war. But it is the last one in this "Book"
They're still wandering about but yes they'll play some role in the coming conflict.
*quitian nationalism intensifies*
Llama kamakazies. Duh.
Stay tuned.
That it is. The Inca are still deep in the whole relative to Europe.
The Incas have a few advantages, but none is really a strength of their own, rather a weakness of their enemies: the Spanish troops are too few to really conquer the whole empire, they are irreplaceable both in terms of experience (hardened conquistadors are a dwindling population) and material, they are entering very hostile terrain with serious risks for people unacclimated to the height, and they're on the far end of a long, tenuous supply chain.
All of this means that the Tawantinsuyu may struggle, but their defeat will never be too long-lived.
Of course, they do have something which was decisive in bringing an end to the Aztecs: unruly and organized tribes on the periphery. The Quitians are the most obvious one, but personally I think that the description of the Spanish expedition making its way to Quito (and the violent raid of the city by a previous conquistador) will make things more... complicated. The Mapuche on the south, though? Well, their ties to the Empire are far more tenuous, and their experience facing Europeans is pretty nonexistent; the Tawantinsuyu, on the other hand, are mortal enemies (I think the best example of this is the Mapundung (sic) word for European: winka, that is, "New Inka").
All of this means that the Tawantinsuyu may struggle, but their defeat will never be too long-lived.
Of course, they do have something which was decisive in bringing an end to the Aztecs: unruly and organized tribes on the periphery. The Quitians are the most obvious one, but personally I think that the description of the Spanish expedition making its way to Quito (and the violent raid of the city by a previous conquistador) will make things more... complicated. The Mapuche on the south, though? Well, their ties to the Empire are far more tenuous, and their experience facing Europeans is pretty nonexistent; the Tawantinsuyu, on the other hand, are mortal enemies (I think the best example of this is the Mapundung (sic) word for European: winka, that is, "New Inka").
Even MORE likely now that Icedaemon has reminded me of the Wesler plot going on in the region.
On another note will a "Roman Catholic Church of the Tawantinsuyu" ever be created in the future, and
how will it affect the culture and politics if it comes about?
Let the war break out! Let our brave march sound everywhere over the Andes!
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So many knots and threads were tied to our quipu. Incidentally, including the Incan Navy...
I still guess that Jesuits would be the most suitable partners for Tawantinsuyu. They are independent of Spain, Portugal, and France, and they are looking for a place where no other Europeans would interfere with them. They are quite tolerant in matters of doctrine, and could go on the establishing of a syncretic cult. I would like to see Tawantinsuyu to have completely preserved the native religion, but among the Europeans the Jesuits would be the less evil. However, the author of this TTL sees better.
No doubt. The non-Christian, from the point of view of Christianity of XVI century, is a second-class person, he/she does not have the right to an equal court, his/her vows and testimonies are deemed doubtful, and property can easily be confiscated. But to receive baptizing from a Spanish or Portuguese bishop means to become dependent on Spain or Portugal. The Jesuits are neutral, more so, considered in independence from anyone other than the Pope. Which in the course of time could be elected from Jesuits.Converting to christianity would take the sails of the factions that argue that the heathens must be conquered to save their souls
It's not such a good idea to get all jingoistic when your struggling to modernize
I would be easy to imagine the irony and betrayal the Spanish and Portuguese will feel knowing that it is the Jesuit's who can successfully convert people without much backlash.
Yes look how much good it did for the Black/African slaves in what would become the USA, if you have gold, silver, something the powers want at the time they will try to take it, justification can be arranged to fit circumstance as neededConverting to christianity would take the sails of the factions that argue that the heathens must be conquered to save their souls
I think you can take each view to extremes.
Yes converting to christianity is not an automatic win button, the iberians were perfectly capable of treating fellow christians badly if they could.
I think it would make some kind of difference to how relations go though. Religious motivations did matter, the iberians did treat christians differently to heathens, making peace with christians is politically easier.
Yes converting to christianity is not an automatic win button, the iberians were perfectly capable of treating fellow christians badly if they could.
I think it would make some kind of difference to how relations go though. Religious motivations did matter, the iberians did treat christians differently to heathens, making peace with christians is politically easier.
Except for the fact there is basically nothing in common with their situations?
We're talking about an independent nation changing it's state religion, not already enslaved people converting. Yes, it wouldn't solve all their problems, for sure. But no, it's not comparable, because the Spanish aren't in a position of control yet, and converting would take out some of the support they need to build that control.
Well said, when debating something like this we should always take context and situation into account.
Converting to christianity would take the sails of the factions that argue that the heathens must be conquered to save their souls
"By the Grace of God, The King of Tawantisuyu"... sounds quite right, eh?
If those factions converted to Pachamama or Viracocha it would also solve the problem ... or just a less dick versions of Christianity.Converting to christianity would take the sails of the factions that argue that the heathens must be conquered to save their souls