The Sons of Inti Shall Not Perish

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by King of the Uzbeks, Apr 23, 2016.

  1. B_Munro Member

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    I suspect things aren't going to go well for Belalcazar. The prospects for setting himself up as a semi-independent little warlord aren't promising.

    Pack your bags, folks: looks like we'll be taking a little trip to Europe.
     
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  2. Youngmarshall Preposterously Dank Monthly Donor

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    Not Venezuela?
     
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  4. MagicalPhantom345 Well-Known Member

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    So without Carvajal, it's going to be interesting in who Spain sends to deal with the Wesler Family regime of the Venezuela.

    Though I am curious if Nueva Granad will expand to encompass the Guyana's this time around.
     
  5. DAv Middle Class... sorry

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    Just finished reading through this timeline and I really enjoyed it. Great to see such a period covered in such detail and the effects it can have. Looking forward to seeing more.
     
  6. Indicus Raianus Indicorum

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    An update! :extremelyhappy:
     
  7. SenatorChickpea Well-Known Member

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    Fascinating as always! By the way, unless I've forgotten that we've already had one- any chance for an Aguirre cameo?
     
  8. Salvador79 Well-Known Member

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    Good reading. You sure know how to lay false traces and keep up tension. I'm at the edge of my seat.
     
  9. Manqu Khipukamayuq

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    An excellent line! I like careful attitude to detail, it gives a sense of believability. I have long been interested in the Inca civilization and consider it to be one of the greatest worldwide.

    Two points

    1. Quipu is an excellent system for the collection and rapid transfer of statistical information. This is especially important in epidemics. The Incas would probably quickly learn to identify the symptoms of the disease, the incubation period, detect the most dangerous areas and dynamically introduce quarantines, opening or closing the corresponding roads. Even chaskis (messengers), in order not to become infected, could transfer quipu each other without coming into direct contact, but, for example, tying to a stone and throwing it at a distance. I believe that such steps, thanks to the high degree of obedience and organization of the population, would be extremely effective.

    2. There are vague indications that some patterns, called tokapu, might be ideographic writing, in themselves or in combination with a quipu. The chroniclers have references to the fact that chronicles were recorded in Incan temples with help of patterns embroidered on the fabric.
     
  10. Manqu Khipukamayuq

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    3. And, of course, Incas in TTL might upgrade quipu system by using horses on some critical areas suitable to riding.
     
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  11. aap5454 Active Member

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    As B_Munro said, they were extremely light on the ground, and only after several large plagues. A great book on this is "1493" by Charles C Mann, it explains it really well.
     
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  12. Noblesse Oblige Reaper Squad Member

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    Well, I assume that the Incan road system is fairly top notch for one of the foremost Native American empires. If Tawantinsuyu does adopt horseback travel, I'm sure it would make things a little easier for bureaucratic work...

    ...But wait, not to sound like an ignorant ass, but what about the llama?
     
  13. Manqu Khipukamayuq

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    Incas quipu system was a good prefiguration of modern ERP/GRP systems, "nervous system" of the enterprise or even whole state. In economic cybernetics, it is proved that the effectiveness of management critically depends on the speed of the signal passing through the "nerves". Acceleration of information transfer even in 1.5-2 times can give an exponential effect.

    Caravans of llamas move everywhere in the Andes for centuries and just now. I see no difference between OTL and TTL here. –°ontroversy "caravan of llamas vs. riding chaski" on my taste may be compared with discussion "truck vs. motorcycle". However, perhaps I don't quite understand your idea, English is not my native language.
     
  14. Indicus Raianus Indicorum

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    I see what you did there.
     
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  15. Baron Bizarre Is probably thinking about his next meal...

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    "The Pugnacious Peacemaker" , Harry Turtledove's sequel to L. Sprague de Camp's "The Wheels of If".
     
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  16. Noblesse Oblige Reaper Squad Member

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    What I was getting at was, can the llama carry as much as a horse could for goods, or for people. I'm assuming the horses would be faster overall though, even though they may be ill-suited for mountaintop movement.
     
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  17. MagicalPhantom345 Well-Known Member

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    I think that donkeys and Mules will eventually be preferred over Llamas and horses by there ability to carry and pull more thank any llama.
     
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  18. Manqu Khipukamayuq

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    No doubt. Also mongolian two-humped camels and tibetan yaks can be introduced with many advantages, but, of course, significantly later.
     
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  19. Manqu Khipukamayuq

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    Dear friends,

    As you know, the Incas had an extremely rich musical culture, many important aspects of which have survived to this day almost unperverted. If the respected participants in the discussion do not mind, I could give a small list of groups and albums of traditional Andean music, which, in my taste, better express the spirit of Tawantinsuyu and inspire creativity in this vein. Of course, only if you consider this acceptable, I would not make someone to feel enforced.
     
  20. The Merovingian Well-Known Member

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    I'm interested.:D