The Simpsons' Springfield

I know there's been lots of speculation about the Simpsons' Springfield, and the producers are purposely vague and contradictory about it. But I'd like to present this anyway.

In the Simpsons Movie, Springfield seems to be a metropolis, and the episodes show it having a huge number of businesses, implying it's a major city.

Groening named it after Springfield, Oregon, which would be an obvious choice, but I think another city might fit better.

Springfield seems to be on or near a coast, like Astoria.

Oregon has many different climates, rainforest, Mediterranean, alpine, steppe, and desert, which can accomodate many of the episodes.

According to Wikipedia, Astoria suffered two major fires, the first in 1883. No changes were made in the rebuilding, so a second fire struck in 1922, and that could have been a factor in the city's decline. It was eclipsed in OTL by Portland and Seattle, and is now just a small town.

Maybe Seattle is ATL Springfield? Would that make better sense than Astoria=Springfield?

So my appreciation for alternative histories kicks in, and this is what I get:

How's this? Jedediah Springfield was a prospector who got rich in California, and started a settlement near Astoria. He tucked his money away for a rainy day, which came when Astoria suffered its major fire in 1883. The town leaders in Springfield used their money to take over Astoria and instituted new building codes. (That hadn't been done in OTL, which led to the second fire, which didn't happen in the ATL.)

OTL Springfield was incorporated as a city in 1885; it's over a hundred miles away, some distance inland, and in this ATL they'd choose a different name, since "Springfield" was already taken.

So after Springfield annexes Astoria and expands, it grows in importance. The distance from Astoria to Portland is comparable to the distance from New York City across Long Island. So Portland might end up on the outskirts of the megalopolis of Springfield.

How this affects other things is anybody's guess. The show obviously ignores the butterfly effects.

There is another issue, which logically would have many butterflies.

In the episode "The Bob Next Door", Sideshow Bob takes Bart to a point where five states meet at a point.

Which five states are they?? Well, if we shorten Oklahoma's panhandle a bit, and/or tweak the borders of the adjoining states, which can get five states to meet: Colorado, New Mexico, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.
That seems the most likely. As for the accents of the police in that episode, that's just because those officers grew up in other parts of the country. And the states' names can be different in this ATL.

A less likely scenario is this: Suppose the territories of Oregon and Washington were divided by a north-south line instead of an east-west line. Then we might be able to have Oregon, Washington, California, Idaho and Nevada meet in the vicinity of Modoc National Forest, if we tweak the borders a bit. But that seems less likely.

Looking at a map, Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Kentucky and Tennessee is another possibility (tweaking the borders again) but there's no reason to prefer that one, is there?

With a POD in the Civil War, or in the Revolutionary War, maybe West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky might have ended up with different borders, all meeting at a single point. Is that likely?

That's a bit off topic; for the Simpsons episode, I think the one with Oklahoma et al. is the most likely. And the producers are obviously ignoring the butterfly effects.
 
There is an ep where there is desert near Springfield and Capitol city is couple of hours drive away.

So I don't think your theory holds water.
 
Every episode compresses the events of hours, days or weeks, into about 24 minutes. And there is a lot of flexibility, to put it mildly. We don't always know how long it really takes to go from one place to another in the show.

Astoria to Salem, the capital city, is 134 miles, about 2 hours drive.
Salem to Boise, Idaho is 474 miles.

Oregon has a desert climate in the southeast, adjacent to Idaho.
 
The writers are intentionally contradictory and illogical about the location. It doesn't correspond to any real location.
 
If your looking for a massive, wanked Springfield, i just so happen to have one. I went to school in Springfield, Ohio, in a town that has long since seen its glory days.


This is due to the fact that the National Road ran out of funding, and stopped. Had it not, it would have passed through Springfield, which would have continued to thrive rather than decay. Ohio State almost put their campus there, but switched to Columbus at the last minute. If you keep these two factors, you would have a city that (once larger than Chicago) pulls population from OTL Dayton and Columbus. It would probably be one of the largest cities eat of the Mississippi.


But its all cornfields up there. Nothing matches with the climate your talking about
 
Yeah, if anything it has to be in the West Coast. Mountains like the Widow's Peak don't "grow" in the east, don't they? Not to mention the country has bighorns, grizzly bears, cougars and even wolves.

And remember, Jebediah Springfield's participation in the ARW is a hoax. His history (and the town's) begins with him coming from the east and killing a buffalo, so not New England.
 
Have you all read this?

http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Springfield's_State

I know about the other theories, and I don't mind, but I thought it would be fun to put an AH spin on this. The above link says Matt Groening said it's *not* Oregon, but that's easy to fix. Looking at Google Maps, the border between Washington and Oregon follows the Columbia River, leaving Astoria just barely south of the line. So either the border was changed a bit, leaving Astoria north of the line, or Astoria was founded on the north side of the river, or the course of the river somehow changed a bit.

That wikia page lists the possible states, and "proves" the state is Illinois, but there are other interpretations possible for the various entries. And the geography seems more consistent with the West, maybe Oregon or Washington State.

The fact that there are 5 states meeting at a point, instead of 4, indicates it's not OTL geography anyway, so everything has to be taken with a grain of salt, to put it mildly. And it's possible there are 5 states meeting at one point, 4 states meeting at another point, etc.

In "The Bob Next Door," they're traveling to Mexico, so it's possible they stopped at the point where Oklahoma and the four other states meet, and that's where Bob tries to kill Bart.

Does anybody here have any legal expertise? How would they resolve the jurisdictional dispute?
 
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Springfield had slaves prior to the Civil War and there was supposedly a Civil War battle near the place according to one of the field trips the kids took.
 
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