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No, Baltic and Slavic tongues have long since diverge. And as history has already shown us with Polish and Germans, Serbs and Hungarians, Austrians and Italians etc... In both the French and Spanish cases, the main tongue of the larger group won out assimilating words of the other, as had/is happening across the world. English is a notorious language thieve, and Japanese is practically robbing English. Mali has dozens of languages coexisting with the main Mandinka Language, a people who once controlled the entire region through successive empires and are spread out.

Romance Languages are closer than Baltic and Slavic, hell English and North German/Dutch are closer that Baltic and Slavic. You can't slam it back together. The only way is for voluntary two language system like Canada's, which is probably the case and only possible for the Upper Echelons, or the erasure of one, which will lead to a civil war. Assimilation is not possible given the sizes and Political make up.
I disagree, all the examples you made show a government that didn't care to assimilate until nationalism had fully taken root, in a modern age sure this is true, but the scenarios you put forward are assuming nationalism is in play and that it functions in the same way as nationalism today. nationalism at this point in the story simply doesn't exist at this point to the extent or in the same way that it does now therefore assimilation is possible.

Also your point about the French and Spanish languages is note true, they weren't the largest languages within the nation they were however the languages spoken by the conquerors, the rich, or ruling elite who wielded the power to spread the language, in this specific TL the elite all speak lithuanian

And you're forgetting about how Millenia before any of what you're talking about happens people were assimilated by dominating cultures even if they were a minority, by your logic why does Egypt not still speak Coptic? Even South America it was done; before attempted rebellions a majority of the people within Peru; mestizo, native, or not spoke Quechua but the Spanish government imposed the Spanish language on them. Look to many former British or French colonies where the lingua franca is now the language of their oppressors who counted themselves as only a tiny minority of the population

You also seem to be completely omitting a response to some of my points, you highlight that a great many of the former "french" languages were romance languages and therefore closer together but I ask of you again what about basque, Germanic languages, and Breton? In addition to this you've gone on some strange tangent about English and other languages, I'm not talking about English and dutch, I'm talking about English and Irish

I'm aware that there was a divergence in Baltic and Slavic languages, I never disputed this. However the language family is Balto Slavic meaning there are more similarities between Lithuanian and Russian than the completely unrelated Irish and English (with the exception of a common ancestor of all the languages above)

Mali is the way it is because there never was any attempted assimilation pre colonial era,so your point is moot

All the shit about language thieves has nothing to do with the point you're trying to argue, your sentences barely make sense and all in all demonstrate an inability to comprehend what the argument is really about. the fact that you called all the former french languages dialects means you haven't truly researched what you're trying to argue. I don't see a need to continue this we are gonna run around in circles if you reallllllllllyyyyyyy need to argue with me more feel free to PM me
 
Your Balto-Slavic argument is not very fortunate, as their closeness is not much greater than that between the two Indo-European languages English and Irish (in fact, grouping Germanic and Celtic languages in one branch has been proposed).

But your main arguments hold, I think, at least in this world created by Augenis. TTL's Ruthenian can be heavily lithuanianised, its elites interwoven and seeing themselves as rather close. Peasants will see it differently, but then again, I suppose most Baltic peasants aren't exactly superhappy with their lives, either, so the good old Marxist argument that they have both more in common with each other and their true enemy are their landlords and rulers could win out as well, doesn't have to be nationalist.
 
Chapter 50: Vultures are Gathering
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Part 50: Vultures are Gathering (1763-1770)
Who was Martynas Pacas, referred to by Slavs as Martin Pac and by Germans as Martin of Lithuania?

Born on July 24th, 1733 - interestingly, he is the first ruler of Lithuania whose accurate birth and death dates are known - in Grodno, Martynas Pacas hails from the House of Pac. This family of magnates was ethnic Lithuanian in origin, coming from Jieznas, and is recorded in history as owners of many lands in the Grodno (Gardinas) region since the 15th century - however, their ethnicity got murkier and murkier as time went on. Grodno, or Gardinas, was a boiling pot between Ruthenians and Lithuanians, situated right on the "border" between these two cultures, and thus intermarriages between ethnicities were especially common there - not just limited to the peasantry, either. Martynas's father was Jonas Pacas, a Lithuanian noble with a lot of Ruthenian, Russian and even some German ancestry, while his mother was a minor nobless from Bryansk, and whether she was Ruthenian or Russian is hard to define. Because of this mishmash of blood from numerous cultures, Martynas Pacas, his nationality and his accomplishments are often claimed by all three of the nationalities that made up the Empire at the time.

But no matter what, Pacas was the new Grand Hetman of Lithuania, ascending at age 30. He was quite a controversial pick - after all, he was over twice as young as his predecessor when he was appointed - but the protests calmed down as soon as the new dictator settled down in his position in Vilnius. Pacas was noted to be an exemplary military commander, capable of inspiring thousands of soldiers and cracking complex military strategies even at this young age, and his family's status as one of the most prestigious and oldest magnate dynasties in the Empire helped his status and prestige. The new Grand Hetman was a moderate, a negotiator, not especially concerned with protecting ancestral rights if innovation and reform were to be a more viable alternative, and unlike, say, Algimantas Songaila, he held some compassion towards the lowest rate citizens in the nation - Russians, Mordvins, Circassians, Tatars and others. One of the first decrees released by the new Hetman was related to serfdom, the heavily debated practice of keeping peasants locked to their landowners and their will. The Act of 1764 marked the beginning of a path towards abolition - according to this law, the practice of lažas (corvee) was banned across the Empire for good, and the obligation of serfs to their masters was to be replaced by činšas (tithe) and other monetary obligations. Činšas, as a form of obligation, was common since the 17th century, but numerous manors continued the ineffective, uneconomical practice of forcing their peasants to work without any pay - until 1764, of course.

While this move brought Pacas at odds with many people, it also gave him an unlikely ally - Emperor Jonas II himself. Jonas II was far from a moderate - in fact, he was quite a man of the Enlightenment - but he understood that in order to increase the imperial institution's standing within the Hetmanate, he needed allies within the system. And, in addition, the pro-abolition stance of the Grand Hetman was appreciated by the monarch. And for Pacas, the support of the Emperor was necessary to maintain his rule - the monarch's voice resonated heavily among the lower classes, who saw him as the leader of the Church and almost like a "father". The two men entered into an unofficial "political alliance" and began to work together in the following years.

The biggest plan that Martynas Pacas had, however, dealt with the neighbour in the East. Over half a century has passed since the beginning of the Eastern Strategy, and it appeared to be successful - the territory of the Empire was greatly expanded, grain production increased a lot thanks to the incorporation of the Pontic Steppe, and the nation remained very stable. However, Lithuania was starting to get bottled and surrounded, with few places left to expand into - if only the Volgaks were not in the way... That's it! Under the rule of the new Grand Hetman, Lithuania began preparing for what is now known as the Volga Gambit - striking Volga-Russia and conquering this nation of Russians and Tatars for good to open a window into the rest of Asia. This was not going to be just a simple invasion, like what happened under Albertas Jogaila I, either - the Hetmanate went as far as to build hundreds of miles of road across the steppe and train the army for warfare in the flatlands. A multi-front attack, one from the south and one from the North, was drawn up, and the plan was to attack without officially declaring a war to get the Volgaks surprised, but it never came to be.

Europe was just too distracting for Pacas to ever actually go through with the Volga Gambit, and this plan - a plan that could have changed history forever - was forgotten to time.

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Martynas Pacas (Ruth./Russ. Martin Pac) - Grand Hetman of Lithuania since 1763

And a lot was happening in Europe in such a short time.

In late 1762, the Estates-General of the Republic of France elected a new Director - Francois Doriot, the candidate put forward by the Reds. Doriot was a retired general, one of the leaders of the brief French-Holy Roman War two decades ago, and this background molded him into one of the most anti-German politicians in the nation. Not only was Doriot against the prospect of a united Germany, he even saw the current centralized Holy Roman Empire as too large and dangerous for France. The man saw no compromise. Charles VII, the Emperor of the German Nation at the time, noted in his diary that "Whenever I did anything that resembled independent thought, Doriot would send me a letter, claiming that if I go any further, the French will occupy the left bank of the Rhine and kick me out of Vienna. He wanted us to be his puppet, a vassal". Doriot's Directorate marked a swift increase of tensions across all of Europe, and his reelection in 1766 only heightened them further.

However, Doriot's biggest headache did not come from Germany - but rather it's neighbour. Throughout the 18th century, the situation in Visegrad had been gradually weakening. A string of weak, ineffective rulers revealed the problems in the Visegradian system - the constant clashes between the King and the nobility, the disenfranchisement of the lower classes and Hungarian domination in the affairs of the country. In addition, the lack of a uniting force in the form of Lithuania, which outright built a wall of fortifications between itself and the rest of Europe, meant that the three nations that composed Visegrad began to think of departing in their own, separate ways. The tension bursted into an outright revolt, when in 1765, the citizens of Prague finally took arms against the government in the name of an independent Bohemian Republic, aligned with the HRE. These people were mostly farmers and burghers, a disorganized force rallied by bitterness and seek for reform, but it nevertheless terrified not only the King in Visegrad Castle, but also Director Doriot in Paris.

In order to defend the Amsterdam System, the French organized a 50 000 men large expedition to be sent towards Bohemia, but a problem arose - how do you get the men there? The HRE is the best route to Visegrad, but they were opposed to letting even a single French soldier on their soil. Doriot, upon hearing the German refusal, interpreted it very simply - the Germans are collaborating with the Bohemian revolutionaries, they are a threat, and they must be dealt with. 1765-1766 marked the short French invasion of the Holy Roman Empire. Charles VII chickened out - fearing that opposing a French invasion will end much worse for Germany in the end, he ordered the imperial troops to stand down and surrender, and all the French had to fight in opposition were local militias and armies of a few resisting republics, like Saxony. Even today November 21st, the day of the beginning of the French invasion, is a day of infamy for the German people. French troops surrounded and occupied Vienna, then ousted Charles VII from power and installed his distant cousin, Jean I - a French noble from Brittany. Bohemia soon followed, and after a two-month Siege of Prague, during which 19 000 Czech civilians and defenders died, the Bohemian Republic was strangled in it's crib.

How did the Germans react to this French intervention? Very, very, very negatively. To many, this seemed like the end of Germania, their country was humiliated and left to be annexed by the French juggernaut. An organized, militant underground opposition movement formed against Emperor Jean I and the French soldiers that enforced his authority, some even went as far as to fight guerilla campaigns against the French in the Alps and Bavarian mountains. The North German Communion stood together with it's South German brothers, and many refugees from the HRE settled down in the North, where they continued supporting the opposition. Even if Director Doriot sent out vague promises of returning the HRE back to German rule once the situation stabilizes, France failed to control the situation. Even some of the Frenchmen themselves did not support this occupation of Germany, especially the Blues, who protested against the war and occupation as a waste of resources.

But that's not where the focus of the Europeans was at the time. After the failed rebellion in Prague, Visegrad continued to be unstable, and a new revolt seemed inevitable. This time, Lithuania had to get involved as well to help stabilize the situation. Historians have recently revealed an interesting fact about the discussions on Visegrad's fate between France and Lithuania - in 1766, Grand Hetman Martynas Pacas half-jokingly proposed that Lithuania, the Ottoman Empire and France-HRE partition Visegrad into three pieces, taking Poland, Hungary and Bohemia respectively, to end the instability in the Danube region for good. It is not known whether this idea was ever actually considered, but many doubt it's historical accuracy - especially considering that France's stance on the Amsterdam System made it uphold static borders in Europe above all, while Lithuania's Eastern Strategy spoke of staying on the defensive in the Western "front".

Whether or not this hypothetical "Partition of Visegrad" ever went beyond Pacas's joke, it never happened, and the two great powers of Europe decided to avoid a direct military intervention in Visegrad for now. The new King of Visegrad, Franciszek I, seemed promising to both France and Lithuania and to the nobility, and the situation in the union was slowly starting to stabilize. Perhaps Visegrad would have returned back to it's former strength, if not for what happened in the West.]

1769 was the beginning of the election season in France. While no laws in France mandated a term limit, it was deemed honorable for a Director to not seek reelection after serving two terms, and Francois Doriot upheld this tradition, officially informing the Estates-General in June of 1769 on his decision to retire after the 1770 election. But he spoke too soon. Doriot soon received very troubling information about the situation in Germany from the military staff - the Germans have went to full rebellion, seizing towns and cities and pushing back the small French garrisons. The cherry on the top of the rebellion cake was the event now known as the March to Schönbrunn, where over 80 000 armed citizens of Vienna and surrounding towns marched against the French Emperor Jean I, declaring this the beginning of the Republic of Germania...

The Great German Revolution has begun.
 
It is a time for celebration, people - we have passed over 400 years in this timeline since the point of divergence! Not only that, but at the current point in the TL, we have only 250 years left until present day...

After nine months of writing and releasing 50 story chapters, not to mention numerous side chapters, we have reached this far. And as more and more time passes, the clearer of a picture I have of where things will be going afterwards.

Let's discuss! What do you think the world could look like in this TL's 2017?
 
Whether or not this hypothetical "Partition of Visegrad" ever went beyond Pacas's joke, it never happened, and the two great powers of Europe decided to avoid a direct military intervention in Visegrad for now. The new King of Visegrad, Franciszek I, seemed promising to both France and Lithuania and to the nobility, and the situation in the union was slowly starting to stabilize. Perhaps Visegrad would have returned back to it's former strength, if not for what happened in the West.]

1769 was the beginning of the election season in France. While no laws in France mandated a term limit, it was deemed honorable for a Director to not seek reelection after serving two terms, and Francois Doriot upheld this tradition, officially informing the Estates-General in June of 1769 on his decision to retire after the 1770 election. But he spoke too soon. Doriot soon received very troubling information about the situation in Germany from the military staff - the Germans have went to full rebellion, seizing towns and cities and pushing back the small French garrisons. The cherry on the top of the rebellion cake was the event now known as the March to Schönbrunn, where over 80 000 armed citizens of Vienna and surrounding towns marched against the French Emperor Jean I, declaring this the beginning of the Republic of Germania...

The Great German Revolution has begun.

Well I could see this ending with France being kicked out of Germania, while taking the left bank of the of Rhine with them. Visegrad meanwhile will also probably implode some time in the future of this conflict given it's weak position.
 
Yeah it could be weird but i could see some member of HRE make an alliance with France because they fear this republic and want kept their power.
I would see a mini Germania in begining that coexist with the HRE and i see that France will took some territories during the peace treaty.

After Visegrad will not be partitioned because France destroyed rebel, but it will lose its status of great power and will be dependant of France, after if no reforme is doone it will explode in future but Franciszek I seem promising.
 

Post 41 "In our time, in the 21st century, amateurs in history often ask - what enabled Visegrad to survive this long, surrounded by such hostile odds? Ever since it's creation, it had been attacked from all three sides, by the Ottomans, by the Lithuanians and by the Germans, and yet it managed to repulse any invasions for hundreds of years. Even when their enemies would gnaw away pieces of their territory and destroy their armies, it would return like a phoenix and restore it's borders."
 
Post 41 "In our time, in the 21st century, amateurs in history often ask - what enabled Visegrad to survive this long, surrounded by such hostile odds? Ever since it's creation, it had been attacked from all three sides, by the Ottomans, by the Lithuanians and by the Germans, and yet it managed to repulse any invasions for hundreds of years. Even when their enemies would gnaw away pieces of their territory and destroy their armies, it would return like a phoenix and restore it's borders."
Hmm, well, it depends on how you interpret the word "long"
 
the Hetmanate went as far as to build hundreds of miles of road across the steppe and train the army for warfare in the flatlands. A multi-front attack, one from the south and one from the North, was drawn up, and the plan was to attack without officially declaring a war to get the Volgaks surprised, but it never came to be.
How the crap do you build hundreds of miles of roads in support of an attack, and then forget to do it? Martynas Pacas needs to smoke less weed, methinks.

Count yourselves lucky, Volgak bastards!
 
How the crap do you build hundreds of miles of roads in support of an attack, and then forget to do it? Martynas Pacas needs to smoke less weed, methinks.

Count yourselves lucky, Volgak bastards!
Less than they forgot to do it, more that Europe ended up as higher priority ;)
 
Less than they forgot to do it, more that Europe ended up as higher priority ;)

Just wondering but if Martynas Pac originates from mixed heritage along with he and the Emperor being moderates, will they take a re-conciliatory policy towards the Russians and if ever complete the "Volga Gambit"?

Also I feel that term will be that worlds analogue to the "Batman Gambit" trope
 
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