The Silver Knight, a Lithuania Timeline
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krieger
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I disagree. It certainly would be Lithuania-centric mod since Lithuania would be the most terryfing state for the German internauts in TSK (as Germany was to American internauts IOTL), so the mod about Lithuania winning would gather a lot of attention. The problems with minorities wouldn't disappear, but I think that Slavic rebellion would be only present if war with some strong oponent happened. I think that Visegrad and South Germania wouldn't appear as Syndintern in ITTL Kaiserreich. It is because one important thing - Kaiserreich twists everything and in canon TSK Visegrad fell to Samsa, so there is no twist in this solution. Instead I would see that internauts ITTL could place some far-right, pan-slavist, delusional antisemitic racist in place of Samsa, because Visegrad falling to far-right would be a twist (it could be inspired by ATL works of this Vuković guy, who proposed one language for whole Visegrad). And South Germania wouldn't even exist, because in my opinion France after it's victory would liberate states such as Bavaria, Austria or Pomerania as puppets.
Mughals would play similar role as Japan in KR TL - the rising power in the East suffering from internal turmoils.
I would say that Japan would be the most likely to receive KR-USA treatment and for China I imagine the extremist Unitarian dictatorship.
krieger
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Mughal yes, the Imperial government will be still around and in Ottoman I think that the radical Islamist government would appear.
Is it me or did you just reverse the roles of TSK!China and TSK!India in TSK!Kaiserreich?
krieger
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Yes, but in Kaiserreich we have a lot of twisting so I imagine that TSK-KR would be also full of twists and this one will be nice and logical, so I decided to place it in my post.
Anyways, what would TSK!The New Order: The Last Days of Europe look like
krieger
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I see hmm...revivalist Lithuania winning would be obvious. And I would see Samsa winning, crushing the Germans and purging the Kovacs fraction (stopping Germania from intervening in Lithuania) and adopting policies similar to Nijasure's India. Therefore we would see a Cold War between unitarian Visegrad and revivalist Lithuania.
krieger
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Probably yes, I see the game starting at the point of Samsa's and Stankevicius deaths and choosing their succesors. And for the broader vision of the world I see - revivalist Lithuania in the east, stretching from Urals to western border of Visegrad, a great power but isolated because of it's revivalist approach. In the center, unitarian (Samsite) Visegrad controlling directly or indirectly all land between Rhine (with a puppet German minor unitarian republics being established west of Elbe), eastern border of Lithuania and Greece - we can name this alliance even Warsaw Pact. It is hovewer torn apart by struggle in Unitarian party - one fraction wants continuation of orthodox Samsite approach and another one is more National Unitarian (mirroring NPP in TNO). The west is led by France and there is alt-European Union (analogue of OFN).
Well, I suppose it all depends on one's perspective of what happened during the TL. I would personally argue that to an average German, a French victory timeline would attract more interest than a Lithuanian one, as France and its forceful division of Germany into North and South is a significant part in Germania's national identity, whereas Lithuania is more peripheral. But fair enough, it's possible to make a case for Lithuania too, and a victory scenario for one is, ultimately, also a victory scenario for the other, as France and Lithuania were allies.
krieger
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For Americans OTL Germany is also more peripheral, but Kaiserreich is still about Germany. But it's rather insignificant question.
Talking about a TNO equivalent of TSK I do believe that the idea of the "Europe of Silver and Iron" timeline that was discussed some time ago would be somewhat fitting for such a role? While we didn't really discuss it that much as it was introduced as a little side-note in the "Sword of Islam" chapter I do believe that such a timeline would be sufficiently bad enough to fulfill the role of TNO. After all a triple cold war between the Unitarians, Revivalist Lithuania and it's 2 allies and probably protectionist Western Europe, or rather what would remain of it, does seem like a grimdark enough scenario, at least for me.
Speaking of TSK!Alternate History, what would Unitarian Victory scenarios for the Great Asian War look like?
As an citzen of ayutthaya, I might be biased but
First, They would hunt for dissident and it mean that Taksin's little kingdom would not survive and reform into renewed thai state
Overall, They would start by promoting denationalization and in process destroyed many temple and pagoda as they were symbol of old oppressive empire
Then, After new generation of suvanabhumi people(Indian name for SEA)have been tought and indoctrinated by unitarian education systems. They will gain total control and I think at that point, They would have so many supplies that they can stockpile it up while supplying numerous transport line creeping toward europe
I doubt they will go after vespucia though, Maybe they might aid Oceania for this grand plan since the ankhine would have been placed at every seats in unitarian countries anyway.
krieger
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If we are speaking about TSK! Alternate History I evisioned one scenario, which would be deeply discussed on alt-Lithuanian forums as a catastrophic one. It would be scenario with medieval POD (so it could be TSK! equivalent of TSK) and it's POD would be rebellion of John Kantakuzen never happening, so Turks are denied entry to Europe. The catastrophical potential would reveal itself in Charles I being not distracted during his planned invasion of Lithuania by Turks (because they are busy with Byzantium and Byzantium would be busy with them, so neither of them is going to distract Charles). Charles beats Lithuanian armies with ease, and outright annexes western Lithuania all the way to Dnieper after childless death of puppet Mykolas Zygimantatis, who gave all his claims to Lithuanian throne to Charles. Tver breaks free and grabs whole eastern Lithuania for itself. It would contain tragic vision of nation being under either Luxembourg or Tverian yoke. @Whiteshore @Augenis
It's an interesting scenario, but I hardly think it would be considered realistic by its readers. Visegrad wouldn't have wanted to expand their already overextended kingdom into Orthodox lands, and Tver was not yet anywhere near a significant force able to seize half of Lithuania by themselves.
krieger
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Visegrad didn't even exist yet, it was only personal union under Charles I back then. And as OTL proved, Poland alone was able to control even more Orthodox land and no one stopped it until Moscow rose to power. So with added strength of Bohemia and Hungary (and if Byzantines and Ottomans are constantly clashing themselves there is no significant threat to Hungary on Balkans) there should be no more problems with ruling over Orthodox population than in OTL Poland-Lithuania, and than PLC. So we can make the story even more tragic and have Teodoras I/Algirdas II setting up Lithuania-in-exile in Moscow. This scenario wouldn't be considered realistic by everyone, but I think that the amount of persons who would consider it realistic will be much higher than You estimate. And it is supposed to be catastrophic scenario, done by ATL bored Lithuanian students, envisioning the total fall of their country.