the Seine as the natural border of Germany

Valdemar II

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How could we make the idea in Germany was the natural west border of Germany as popular as the idea that the Rhine was France natural east border in OTL.
 
How could we make the idea in Germany was the natural west border of Germany as popular as the idea that the Rhine was France natural east border in OTL.

1) The Romans never advance to the Rhine so the cultural split is there.

2) Have the Holy Roman Empire become a more centralized state at some point, odds are no later than the 13th or 14th centuries. The HRE blob was very large and imperial states had holdings very far into modern France right up to the French Revolution.

Michael
 
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