The Second Confederacy

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"I will die for Dixie!"- William L Yancey

On April 9th, 1865 General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to Grant at Appomattox Court House. Ten days later Union President Lincoln and Vice President Andrew Johnson are assassinated and letting President Pro Tempore Lafayette Forester become President of the United States. Forester, in his Presidential Address he blamed the South for the entire chain of events, flaming up the simmering tensions between North and South. The South rises in succession again,launching a guerrilla war with William Lowandes Yancey at his head. He formed the Red Shirts in the US and set up a Government in Exile in Brazil. Soon afterword the Red Shirts had begun organized raids in Northern Virginia, Southern Massachusetts and and the Deep South. The first raid was against New Orleans and resulted in the docks being wrecked, 123 Union occupiers killed and 20 Red Shirts killed. A rousing victory in every sense of the word and a message to the Yankees that Dixie wasn't dead. The Brazilians recognized the CSA government in exile soon after and accepted them into Rio de Janero, infuriating the US.
 
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Also, the Civil War was not ended by Lee's surrender OTL - the Army of Tennessee hasn't surrendered yet, to name the other major army (but certainly not the last).
 
I never said it was over, just wrapping up, at that time the Confederacy was all but gone.

I will change the names.
 
On April 9th, 1865 General Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to Grant at Appomattox Court House. Ten days later Union President Lincoln and Vice President Andrew Johnson are assassinated and letting Secretary of War Edward Stanton become President of the United States. Stanton, in his Presidential Address he blamed the South for the entire chain of events, flaming up the simmering tensions between North and South. The South rises in succession again, reigniting the Civil War with William Lowandes Yancey at his head.

Uh, And? I mean, at that point the south had no means to win. That would be like Germany telling the Soviets after they captured Berlin

"Okay we don't like these peace terms so we're gonna keep fighting!"
 
I have been notified (and Wikied) That the Confederacy was not immediately re-accepted into the Union so the Confederates weren't quite over, not yet.
 
Uh, And? I mean, at that point the south had no means to win. That would be like Germany telling the Soviets after they captured Berlin

"Okay we don't like these peace terms so we're gonna keep fighting!"

If you wanted to be technical, there could be a real guerrilla war in the south rather then the post war terrorism of the paramilitaries like the Red Shirts and the KKK. Or the Confederados could be bigger and try to establish a Confederate Government-in-exile.
 
If you wanted to be technical, there could be a real guerrilla war in the south rather then the post war terrorism of the paramilitaries like the Red Shirts and the KKK. Or the Confederados could be bigger and try to establish a Confederate Government-in-exile.
That gives me a better Idea for how this whole thing goes down
 
Uh, And? I mean, at that point the south had no means to win. That would be like Germany telling the Soviets after they captured Berlin

"Okay we don't like these peace terms so we're gonna keep fighting!"

This! It was all over and all but the most die hard Southerners knew it was all over. Joesoph E Johnston put it best when asked about continuing the war after Lee's surrender " "My views are, sir, that our people are tired of the war, feel themselves whipped, and will not fight. Our country is overrun, its military reserves greatly diminished, while the enemy's military power and resources were never greater, and may be increased to any extent... My men are daily deserting in large numbers. Since Lee's defeat they regard the war as at an end." Who exactly are you going to get to fight this war when virtually no one believes you still have a chance?
 
This! It was all over and all but the most die hard Southerners knew it was all over. Joesoph E Johnston put it best when asked about continuing the war after Lee's surrender " "My views are, sir, that our people are tired of the war, feel themselves whipped, and will not fight. Our country is overrun, its military reserves greatly diminished, while the enemy's military power and resources were never greater, and may be increased to any extent... My men are daily deserting in large numbers. Since Lee's defeat they regard the war as at an end." Who exactly are you going to get to fight this war when virtually no one believes you still have a chance?


Iirc, in the Trans-Mississippi, most of Kirby-Smith's men took off for home without even waiting for a formal surrender. KS, I understand, had still been harbouring thoughts of fighting on, and composed a distinctly sulky farewell message to his virtually non-existent army.
 
Iirc, in the Trans-Mississippi, most of Kirby-Smith's men took off for home without even waiting for a formal surrender. KS, I understand, had still been harbouring thoughts of fighting on, and composed a distinctly sulky farewell message to his virtually non-existent army.

True enough, after Lee's surrender the entire CSA army was deserting in droves.
 
Bluntly, there was a wave of fairly continual, low-level, and constant revisionist violence against the 1865 surrender and the Civil War Consitutional amendments, particularly the 14th and 15th, that followed. It had its pious defenders that abhored the violence, but waxed poetic about the culture of the South.

It was first called the KKK. Then it was called Jim Crow. Then it was called State's rights. Looking at the Dunn and other Stand Your Ground verdicts, and Shelby County vs. Holder in the non-violent-but-y'all-best-understand-the-South-is-unique sphere, it is hard to put an end date on this.
 
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