Well they could try, but removing majority of population number in several million is extremely difficult, and require borderline ASB to happen in my opinion.
The Revenge of the Crown : An Alternate 1812 and Beyond.
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The whites are a minority only 9 percent of the population here. They do not have to remove millions of people. This would be very improbable but doable. And r they could try to force Euros to move to Taiwan. But that's unlikely when Mexico British North America and the Anzacs are on the table. So you right this is borderline ASB.
Hmm, the Austrian experiment bears watching. Along with the defeat of Italian nationalism might we see the nationalist movement never reach heights of OTL?
Though with Austria it remains to be seen how much Felix can adapt and if the system will survive without him eventually.
Honestly I am rooting for the Mapuche. But Smith's prestige indicates he will win the war. my guess s that the proxy war eds up blowing up in Carlos' face somehow and he searches for glory elsewhere. Culminating in him aiding Chile's revolution in exchange for border adjustments in his favor and one of his sons' as king of Chile.
So the Qing court fought on after the Emperor abdicated? What is the status of the family that escaped Beijing? Will the Tian move the capital? And will we see a new shogunate style system with the less interested Emperor and the very powerful first minster who controls the military? Where do the Tian go from here having seized power?
Russia is also on the move it seems.
And it sounds like you have something sinister in store for Formosa.
Now that's just not fair. Each of those ideas is worthy and interesting. I'd love to see them all.
Though with Austria it remains to be seen how much Felix can adapt and if the system will survive without him eventually.
Honestly I am rooting for the Mapuche. But Smith's prestige indicates he will win the war. my guess s that the proxy war eds up blowing up in Carlos' face somehow and he searches for glory elsewhere. Culminating in him aiding Chile's revolution in exchange for border adjustments in his favor and one of his sons' as king of Chile.
So the Qing court fought on after the Emperor abdicated? What is the status of the family that escaped Beijing? Will the Tian move the capital? And will we see a new shogunate style system with the less interested Emperor and the very powerful first minster who controls the military? Where do the Tian go from here having seized power?
Russia is also on the move it seems.
And it sounds like you have something sinister in store for Formosa.
Now that's just not fair. Each of those ideas is worthy and interesting. I'd love to see them all.
In OTL when gold was discovered in California and Victoria Australia sailors often abandon their ships to head the goldfields to seek their fortune. Whaling ships and other vessels in that period often had some pacific islanders as members of their crew so if the two gold rushes closer together Maoris & Hawaiians may become majority in crews leading to ships being owned and operated by pacific locals.
Map of the American Prairie
here is the map of the american prairie territories.
The star represents Calhoun City
The green areas depict major native american reserves
The red line depicts the major 'prairie road' for american settlers in the region
The pink line depicts the path of tecumseh which is a road leading to mishigama for fleeing natives (covered in one of the previous chapters)
Not as good as @Basileus_Komnenos's maps but it conveys the point
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Why are there separate North and South Dakotas ITTL? The whole point IOTL was to gain political advantage in the Senate.
In which case, I would suggest giving both of them distinctive names.
But that's just my suggestion.
Good evening.
I've not posted much the last week or so because I finally handed my Masters in and have been playing Cities Skylines all week. 😅
I've just caught up with the last four pages, although I've thought about this TL on and off all week. Particularly, I remembered Sārthākā asking about any unusual non-cliche additions to this TL he could make. I thought of one unusual one...
French Sakhalin.
Hear me out. IOTL, it was a Frenchman, Jean-François de Galaup, comte de Lapérouse, who helped map the island in 1787. IOTL, Japan proclaimed sovereignty over the island in 1807. Then, in 1845, Japan reaffirms its sovereignty over the island again "in the face of competing claims by Russia." (Wikipedia)
ITTL, you have Japan undergoing a regime change IIRC, which could serve as a pretext for the French ignoring Japanese claims to the island. You also have Russia being more aggressive in northern China and the French eager to extend their informal empire. The British have just taken Taiwan. Maybe, in order to keep pace with the British and Russians in the Asia Pacific region, France looks at staking claim to Sakhalin? It's a huge island with a low population (~500,000 OTL 2020 figures) and would look good on a map.
Here are some Google street view images: A random forest road. A large plain. Inside a cafe?
I think French Sakhalin could be pretty cool and unique.
A counterargument might be that it's a useless island, but Europeans claimed loads of useless islands.
Anyway, got to go, all my cemeteries are full and everyone is dying.
Northstar
I've not posted much the last week or so because I finally handed my Masters in and have been playing Cities Skylines all week. 😅
I've just caught up with the last four pages, although I've thought about this TL on and off all week. Particularly, I remembered Sārthākā asking about any unusual non-cliche additions to this TL he could make. I thought of one unusual one...
French Sakhalin.
Hear me out. IOTL, it was a Frenchman, Jean-François de Galaup, comte de Lapérouse, who helped map the island in 1787. IOTL, Japan proclaimed sovereignty over the island in 1807. Then, in 1845, Japan reaffirms its sovereignty over the island again "in the face of competing claims by Russia." (Wikipedia)
ITTL, you have Japan undergoing a regime change IIRC, which could serve as a pretext for the French ignoring Japanese claims to the island. You also have Russia being more aggressive in northern China and the French eager to extend their informal empire. The British have just taken Taiwan. Maybe, in order to keep pace with the British and Russians in the Asia Pacific region, France looks at staking claim to Sakhalin? It's a huge island with a low population (~500,000 OTL 2020 figures) and would look good on a map.
Here are some Google street view images: A random forest road. A large plain. Inside a cafe?
I think French Sakhalin could be pretty cool and unique.
A counterargument might be that it's a useless island, but Europeans claimed loads of useless islands.
Anyway, got to go, all my cemeteries are full and everyone is dying.
Northstar
Question. I thought Jackson was expelling all the Native Peoples, yet this shows reservations indicating some are being kept/detained there.
A French Sakhalin is certainly a unique idea. However considering its extremely important to control the sea of okotsk I am not sure the Russians will allow this.
Kind off. Frontier classes are the main type of people settling in the area after all.
Be is certainly trying to expel all of them.however all of them is not feasible and neither is it cheap so some are kept.
Vignette #1
And now a Vignette created with permission by the Author:
FARMING THE PRAIRIE:
James Caney sat under the vast sky of the prairie looking out over his land and taking a smoke break with his pipe, even taking off his hat to better take in the fading days good weather. Description and images in the post could never quite capture the feeling of being out on the prairie where even trees became a precious rarity. Why even with all the land he owned, and his tenants worked, the house at his back was made of sod brick rather than expensive wood.
He still called it a good house, a head and half better living conditions than most of his hearty tenants, who along with him had busted sod and worked plows long and hard to turn this stretch of savage prairie into farmland; with a side business of dairy cattle he had hopes might pay dividends in the future.
Yes, he lived in a 'house of dirt' as some of his fellow great landowners mocked him for, but his finances were more stable than most for his trouble. Like most of them he came from a respectable Southern family and with seed money from the family had set his sights out West to make his own fortune. But while so many of his peers were obsessed with rebuilding a genteel way of life such as their fathers had back east, his eyes were on the money.
Expensive wood aside he had also refrained from trying to build a proper plantation. Slavery was all well and good in the South, but these near untamed lands brought out the savagery in even White men. Introducing a mass of slaves too it would be foolish for that reason alone, inviting trouble. But add in the knowledge that freedom awaited among the Mexicans and the British, and well you would waste too much time watching or chasing to turn any profit.
And besides, much as he was loath to admit it, slavery could be more trouble than it was worth. He was no firebrand or foreign agitator but the uprisings and the poverty of so many White men these days made him question if there wasn't a better way for America to achieve her rightful wealth and power.
But having no patience for the salon crowd he had decided to do the checking himself. Hence Big Skies, his parcel of land was worked by white tenant farmers, who lived much like the homesteaders but in exchange for rent he also offered them a certain patronage. The only slave on his property was Jacob, his personal slave who had been with him since he was sixteen.
Jacob was a good fellow, who in the absence of a wife kept James house and saw to the cooking while James saw to his business. Why when General Gaines went mad and freed every slave he could find on the Prairie Jacob had accepted the decree, but remained in his place; and once the real army restored order Big Skies had gotten back to their business as if nothing had happened.
Which reminded James, he really needed to do something significant for his man; to reward that loyalty. Because as Gaines had reminded America, loyalty could be a rare and precious thing. For James himself a more personal reminder was held in his hand. A letter from his fiancee, or rather ex-fiancee.
He had not married her or let her accompany him west. He had made it clear it was all for her sake, that until he could accommodate her as befit a fine lady she would best stay in her father's house.
And he was on his way. He was! Yes his crop had only recently started turning a considerable profit, but compared to so many big landowners going bust, especially after the slaves walked off or burned them out thanks to Gaines, he stood to one day be the toast of Calhoun city.
But no, like his own father she questioned if he would ever be more than a man living in the dirt; and broken their engagement off for a lawyer of all things.
Did no one remember how America became great to begin with? It was by men taking bigger risks, working harder, and living rougher than anyone back home was willing too; to tame a savage land, and turn it into America. Why it wasn't just his own fortune at stake here, he and his people were securing this corner of the continent for the stripes and eagle. The Frenchies who had betrayed not only the country but liberty itself by crowning a European king, of all things, over the Mississippi lurked greedily to the South. And the British longed to make the continent kneel to them again. And of course the British held a dagger to America's throat in Tecumseh's kingdom to the east; where the Indians ever plotted revenge and and destruction against America.
The previous generation had grown complacent, and squandered what the Founding Father's had won. Jackson was a right bastard who wouldn't make any respectable church's list of saints; and the fool had tried to dump all those Indians on them as if they didn't have enough trouble with the locals bands. Truth be Jams liked living out here in part to be away from Jackson and his goons, and men like his father who saw no problem with throwing your neighbor under a carriage just because he was a Catholic. But Jackson was right that America's enemies were all around them, and even had wizened up to actually get rid of one problem by having the army drive the savages off American land for good.
America had to keep pushing, or they'd get pushed over themselves and be subjects of one crowned head or another and the dream of free citizens would vanish into a fable of history. Jackson was a poor choice in leaders for such a time in James mind, but if the only other option was madmen like Gaines, he'd swallow his pride and salute the bastard.
He was here in Big Skies, and James Caney wasn't going anywhere, except up. Putting the letter away and pocketing the ring that came with it, he resolved to sell the ring when next in town and use the money to buy Jacob a new set of clothes including a new pair of boots. The letter he'd have Jacob scrape the ink off of it tonight, they could reuse it.
It might not be much to look at, he decided tapping out his pipe and getting to his feet. But this prairie was his future and America's he reflected putting his straw hat back on. They'd stun a doubting world yet by making something worthy of boasting from it.
FARMING THE PRAIRIE:
James Caney sat under the vast sky of the prairie looking out over his land and taking a smoke break with his pipe, even taking off his hat to better take in the fading days good weather. Description and images in the post could never quite capture the feeling of being out on the prairie where even trees became a precious rarity. Why even with all the land he owned, and his tenants worked, the house at his back was made of sod brick rather than expensive wood.
He still called it a good house, a head and half better living conditions than most of his hearty tenants, who along with him had busted sod and worked plows long and hard to turn this stretch of savage prairie into farmland; with a side business of dairy cattle he had hopes might pay dividends in the future.
Yes, he lived in a 'house of dirt' as some of his fellow great landowners mocked him for, but his finances were more stable than most for his trouble. Like most of them he came from a respectable Southern family and with seed money from the family had set his sights out West to make his own fortune. But while so many of his peers were obsessed with rebuilding a genteel way of life such as their fathers had back east, his eyes were on the money.
Expensive wood aside he had also refrained from trying to build a proper plantation. Slavery was all well and good in the South, but these near untamed lands brought out the savagery in even White men. Introducing a mass of slaves too it would be foolish for that reason alone, inviting trouble. But add in the knowledge that freedom awaited among the Mexicans and the British, and well you would waste too much time watching or chasing to turn any profit.
And besides, much as he was loath to admit it, slavery could be more trouble than it was worth. He was no firebrand or foreign agitator but the uprisings and the poverty of so many White men these days made him question if there wasn't a better way for America to achieve her rightful wealth and power.
But having no patience for the salon crowd he had decided to do the checking himself. Hence Big Skies, his parcel of land was worked by white tenant farmers, who lived much like the homesteaders but in exchange for rent he also offered them a certain patronage. The only slave on his property was Jacob, his personal slave who had been with him since he was sixteen.
Jacob was a good fellow, who in the absence of a wife kept James house and saw to the cooking while James saw to his business. Why when General Gaines went mad and freed every slave he could find on the Prairie Jacob had accepted the decree, but remained in his place; and once the real army restored order Big Skies had gotten back to their business as if nothing had happened.
Which reminded James, he really needed to do something significant for his man; to reward that loyalty. Because as Gaines had reminded America, loyalty could be a rare and precious thing. For James himself a more personal reminder was held in his hand. A letter from his fiancee, or rather ex-fiancee.
He had not married her or let her accompany him west. He had made it clear it was all for her sake, that until he could accommodate her as befit a fine lady she would best stay in her father's house.
And he was on his way. He was! Yes his crop had only recently started turning a considerable profit, but compared to so many big landowners going bust, especially after the slaves walked off or burned them out thanks to Gaines, he stood to one day be the toast of Calhoun city.
But no, like his own father she questioned if he would ever be more than a man living in the dirt; and broken their engagement off for a lawyer of all things.
Did no one remember how America became great to begin with? It was by men taking bigger risks, working harder, and living rougher than anyone back home was willing too; to tame a savage land, and turn it into America. Why it wasn't just his own fortune at stake here, he and his people were securing this corner of the continent for the stripes and eagle. The Frenchies who had betrayed not only the country but liberty itself by crowning a European king, of all things, over the Mississippi lurked greedily to the South. And the British longed to make the continent kneel to them again. And of course the British held a dagger to America's throat in Tecumseh's kingdom to the east; where the Indians ever plotted revenge and and destruction against America.
The previous generation had grown complacent, and squandered what the Founding Father's had won. Jackson was a right bastard who wouldn't make any respectable church's list of saints; and the fool had tried to dump all those Indians on them as if they didn't have enough trouble with the locals bands. Truth be Jams liked living out here in part to be away from Jackson and his goons, and men like his father who saw no problem with throwing your neighbor under a carriage just because he was a Catholic. But Jackson was right that America's enemies were all around them, and even had wizened up to actually get rid of one problem by having the army drive the savages off American land for good.
America had to keep pushing, or they'd get pushed over themselves and be subjects of one crowned head or another and the dream of free citizens would vanish into a fable of history. Jackson was a poor choice in leaders for such a time in James mind, but if the only other option was madmen like Gaines, he'd swallow his pride and salute the bastard.
He was here in Big Skies, and James Caney wasn't going anywhere, except up. Putting the letter away and pocketing the ring that came with it, he resolved to sell the ring when next in town and use the money to buy Jacob a new set of clothes including a new pair of boots. The letter he'd have Jacob scrape the ink off of it tonight, they could reuse it.
It might not be much to look at, he decided tapping out his pipe and getting to his feet. But this prairie was his future and America's he reflected putting his straw hat back on. They'd stun a doubting world yet by making something worthy of boasting from it.
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The former USA can at most reconquer new England and maybe Louisiana if they are lucky but the more they conquer they more likely that they find be facing a coalition/Alliance against them by at least Mexico and the UK
Hmm, I'm just thinking that if Louisiana, Mexico , BNA and Tecumseh nations would like to take care of a future problem, slicing off the Prairies from the rest of Jackson's USA would be rather simple.