Who should become the first president of new england?


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Given the talk of tightening the bonds of Sweden and Norway I'm guessing that this is going to lead to more of an actual, close political union between Sweden and Norway. Rather what was pretty much a personal union IOTL, with two separate parliaments and little to unite them beyond a common monarch and a common foreign policy entirely decided by the Swedish parliament. So more of an ever closer union instead of the gradual drifting apart which we saw IOTL perhaps?

In either case I definitely look forward to see what's to come in that part of the world, especially considering that it's so rarely mentioned by any TL which takes place in this time period.

I will believe it when I see it. But now you've given me reason to give Scandinavia some attention. :)
 
Could we have a map???
Of what? If America we have a couple
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If you're talking about the rest of the world, we have none, though we'll probably get some after we see the German States.
 
I wonder what exactly France is willing to settle for or push for on Louisiana's behalf? The situation with Spain shows the USA is willing to prioritize; so depnding on what a negotiation wold bring they may be willing to cut a deal with the Francophones to be able to focus up north before the risk of British intervention comes about.
 
what did Oscar I do to give him the epitaph "the Great?"
Truth be told he deserves the title otl itself. In the 16 years that he ruled, he basically introduced democracy to sweden, giving suffrage to the people, allowing parliament to take power, his fiscal policies turned sweden from a rural agrarian backwater to one of the most industrialized countries in europe, and almost every social service in sweden is linked to Oscar I and many in norway is linked to Oscar I. The vote to name him the 'great' otl failed by just 3 votes. Now ittl, he gets to rule for 34 years, that's 18 years more. Needless to say Oscar I is going to leave behind a massive legacy.
 
Given the talk of tightening the bonds of Sweden and Norway I'm guessing that this is going to lead to more of an actual, close political union between Sweden and Norway. Rather what was pretty much a personal union IOTL, with two separate parliaments and little to unite them beyond a common monarch and a common foreign policy entirely decided by the Swedish parliament. So more of an ever closer union instead of the gradual drifting apart which we saw IOTL perhaps?

In either case I definitely look forward to see what's to come in that part of the world, especially considering that it's so rarely mentioned by any TL which takes place in this time period.
Sweden-Norway will survive otl. It was only troubles in the 1870s that really led to its dissolution.
 
Truth be told he deserves the title otl itself. In the 16 years that he ruled, he basically introduced democracy to sweden, giving suffrage to the people, allowing parliament to take power, his fiscal policies turned sweden from a rural agrarian backwater to one of the most industrialized countries in europe, and almost every social service in sweden is linked to Oscar I and many in norway is linked to Oscar I. The vote to name him the 'great' otl failed by just 3 votes. Now ittl, he gets to rule for 34 years, that's 18 years more. Needless to say Oscar I is going to leave behind a massive legacy.

Great, detailed, useful answer to that question, Sārthākā.

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Chapter 22: 1826, the Gilded Year.
Chapter 22: 1826, the Gilded Year.

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“1826 in the American Civil War, was a pivotal year. The fortunes of the Federal States of America, was quickly starting to change. Their qualitative advantage in troops had dwindled every battle they fought, and their manpower pool of just 2.7 million men was a constraint against their interests and they did not have the capability of running a war whilst remaining a proper industrial power either, and the country soon had several manpower shortages.

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Edmund P Gaines, commander of the US Army of Virginia.

On February 20th, Edmund P Gaines and his Army of Virginia stopped their retreat into central Virginia and instead, with more replenishment troops arriving from the south, he stood his ground to fight against General Zebulon Pike. The Battle of Ashland is famously known as Gaines’s Stand for a reason after all. Gaines’s stood his ground, and with army vastly outnumbering Pike, with his 22,000 against Pike’s 9,000, Pike was unable to break the wall of men that Gaines had thrown at him. As such, seeing that he was vastly outnumbered, Pike decided to withdraw back to Stafford, from where he could defend Washington DC and the surrounding entry points into Maryland. To the west, things weren’t going in favor of the Federal States either.

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edmound Gaine's soldiers during the Battle of Ashland.

General John Coffee was advancing and his own ranks were being filled in with conscripts and though his troops were….suspiciously lightly armed in comparison to the normal armament levels of troops back in those days, it was enough to give William Henry Ashley’s Army of Ohio to headlong retreat. And as such, Coffee took a daring approach to the fight. Coffee was what some people call an improviser and he had studied the campaign of the Duke of Wellington in the Peninsular War, and had picked up Wellington’s modern military thought of ‘living off the land’ with the statement that ‘A military cannot run without the people aiding them’. Thus, as Ashley and his army of Ohio withdrew into Mason, Coffee decided to conduct his infamous March into Ohio, cutting himself directly off the logistical lines of his army. This was a huge risk, however it was something that he was willing to do. And it would consequently become one of the most iconic military events in American history.” The American Civil War: A History, University of Richmond, 1889.

“Down in the southern plains of America, panic was spreading. Throughout the majority of 1825, the south had been conscripting soldiers and training them to be sent to the north to fight and end the civil war. However Louisiana and the French intervention in Louisiana now opened their flanks wide deep and they United States had very few reserves to call upon, and they were forced by situation to rely upon their militia units in the southern states.

On February 28, 1826, the French Navy started a massive blockade of the Eastern seaboard of the United States cutting them off to the rest of Europe and South America, stopping vital supplies from reaching the United States, and the Dixie Campaign was renewed by General Damremont in all of its fury. With reinforcements from France, and with extra Comanche warriors joining his army, his army had expanded from 9,000 troops to 14,000 and on March 23rd, he would start marching from Vicksburg once again. This time he would be trying to strike a direct blow to the Americans, to end the war once and for all for the Louisianans, to get their well-earned independence.

On March 23rd, his army departed from Vicksburg and on March 26th he laid siege to the city of Jackson. The city was too lightly defended. So inwards and far away from any border or seaboard, the city hadn’t kept security as a part of their main problems, during its development and settlement and the light walls surrounding the city were inefficient in holding back the power of the heavy artillery guns that Damremont had brought alongside him. The heavy artillery tore apart the light walls defending the city, and the French stormed the city on March 29th, and after a brutal urban fight the city was captured by the French on the dawn of March 30th.

Finally having had enough, President Calhoun ordered his southern forces to concentrate all of the militias, and the army reserves to stand and give battle to the French and Louisianans, and to drive them back to Louisiana. The Battle of Bienville Forest was going to be the apex of the Louisianan War of Independence.

On April 7th, the French troops, numbering 16,000 strong encountered the final armies of America in the southwest. Numbering 21,000 strong, the US Army of the South was led by Lieutenant General Thomas Jackson and he was ordered to beat the French and Louisianans decisively. Unfortunately for him, history has a way with cruel ironies.

At Polkville, Damremont stationed his southern right flank consisting of 2000 elite grenadier troops, and in the north he placed 2000 infantrymen at Morton to cover his left flank. In the center the combination of French, Louisianan and Comanche fighters made up the rest of the 12,000 troops that would become Damremont’s center. Damremont ordered an arrow spearhead as his plan of attack, and as the forest in the region made his artillery useless, he ordered his southern flank to begin a flanking maneuver when he ordered it during the battle.

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French Troops of the French forces in Louisiana.

On the morning of April 7th, the skirmishers of Damremont, mainly made up of the Comanche galloped far inland into the forest and were fired upon by the American rifle regiments which had been hidden in the foliage by Thomas Jackson. Unable to fight properly with their iconic horses properly in the forest, the Comanche fell back, however the Americans lost the element of surprise, as the knowledge of hidden American battalions in the foliage gave Damremont the idea to send in the rest of his grenadiers. His grenadiers and the American rifle regiments played a furious fight in the forest, driving each other out of sections of the forest and fighting for each foliage in the forest.

By midday, both sides were exhausted, however both sides were not willing to give up. By this point however, the 1st and 2nd Louisianan Regiments were sent forward by Damremont to fight and reinforce the French grenadiers. However Jackson too sent forward reinforcements and his reinforcements were successful in pushing the French and Louisianans back all the way to Strong River in the forest. There, the 1st Louisianan Regiment would stand its ground. Whilst the French filed back across the river to friendly territory, the Americans attacked their rear, and the 1st Louisianan Regiment guarded the bridge across the Strong River ferociously holding the Americans back at bayonet point. By 2 pm, the 1st Louisianan Regiment was virtually destroyed by the Americans, however they had given enough time to the rest of the 3000 troops to retreat back across the river, and the French set the bridge alight destroying any hopes of an easy crossing.

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The 1st Louisianan Regiment.

The 1st Louisianan Regiment’s sacrifice to hold the bridge would become a famous nationalist legend in Louisiana.

However Jackson became overconfident and virtually the entire American army next to the river Strong was ordered to conduct a general advance. And Damremont, who had brought his guns and artillery alongside him through the thick foliage, now got an irresistible chance to open full fire. The general advance of the Americans would be mowed down by the French guns without mercy and this caused several holes in the American lines which was seized upon by Damremont, who ordered amphibious attacks from the infantry troops who landed in between the holes and started to flank the American troops within these holes. Damremont then sent an order to his flanking forces to start the flanking maneuver and by 3 pm, the entire American army was on the verge of being surrounded. Knowing that he had lost, Jackson surrendered and the Battle of Bienville forest ended in a decisive Louisianan and French victory.” The Louisianan War of Independence, University of New Orleans, 1989.

“The Battle of Bienville Forest ended any hopes in America that they would reclaim the Louisianan states, and with their only army in the south being destroyed in battle, Calhoun and the American government was subsequently forced to negotiate. On April 28th, the Armistice of Hattiesburg was signed between the United States of America, the Kingdom of France and the Kingdom of Louisiana, ending the hostilities in the region.

And as such the diplomatic corps of all countries involved then went to St. Louis to hammer out a final treaty. The Louisianans wanted the entirety of the Louisianan Purchase within the United States of America, however the USA was unwilling to give it up, pointing out that the American posts in the north was still filled with around 8,000 troops guarding the region which would be more than enough to defend the region from any attack, and the French were also unwilling to make Louisiana reach all the way to the north, as having a border with British North America, may give access for British influence to filter into Louisiana, and for potential crisis’s to erupt in the region between the two. Therefore, reluctantly, French diplomats backed America that the entirety of Louisiana would not be given to the Kingdom.

On June 15th, the Treaty of St. Louis was signed between the Kingdom of Louisiana, the Kingdom of France and the United States of America. The terms of the treaty were:-

  • The Kingdom of Louisiana was recognized by the USA as a fully independent state with King Louis Philippe I as its sovereign.
  • The territories of the Kingdom of Louisiana would be defined as the territories of Louisiana, Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma.
  • The border with Louisiana would be demilitarized by the USA until 1835.
  • France to lift the naval blockade on America, and the trade embargo.
  • Freedom of passage on the Mississippi river to be given to America by Louisiana.
And thus, a new nation was born.” The Treaty of St. Louis, University of New Orleans, 1998.

“Coffee on May 27th, started his infamous march through Ohio, cutting himself off his logistical lines, he led his 20,000 strong army right into the heart of the Ohio State and the Ohio valley. The Siege of Cincinnati was a blunder on part of the Federals, as the siege ended in a hot burst of massive flames. The gunpowder stores of the city were not pulled back, and the artillery barrage that Coffee sent towards the city ended up hitting the gunpowder stores, and the fort holding the city and the surrounding area went up in flames, destroying the defenses the city and allowing Coffee to enter the city without anyone standing in his way. He then split his force, keeping 14,000 under his direct command, but send 6,000 soldiers under the command of Colonel Henry Leavenworth to take the states of Illinois which was rumored to be lightly defended by the Federal States.

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Coffee's March to the Erie Lake in Ohio.

Then he turned north and marched through the state and valley areas, reaching Dayton on June 4th and finding that Ashley had turned to fight against him. Ashley’s small army of 8,000 stood and fought bravely, however in the ashes of the Battle of Dayton, Ashley’s army was defeated by Coffee with relative ease and Ashley, with only 6,000 fighting men left, withdrew to Sandusky. On July 17th, Coffee reached Lake Erie at Oak Harbor cutting the Federal States of America in half, ending his March to the Erie.” Coffee, the General Who Turned the Civil War; University of Richmond, 1911.

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siege of Baltimore.

“In the east, Gaines had stopped retreating and this time, he was the one who started to push Pike backwards. Pike ended up giving up Washington DC to Gaines, as Gaines entered the capital on July 29th. However on August 8th, he found Baltimore standing as a fortress with Pike commanding it. Gaines laid siege to Baltimore. Pike’s men were at this stage underfed, underequipped and losing morale very quickly. After an epic three month siege, the city of Baltimore fell to the United States of America, and Pike was caught up in the siege, dying in the flames of the city. His army leaderless, started to dissolve, until General Henry Dodge restored ordered and managed to take the remnants of Pike’s army northwards. On November 19th, the US navy and marines conducted a landing in the Delaware region and started to advance north. The Federal States of America was starting to unravel.” The Military History of the Federal States of America, University of New York, 1911.

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General Henry Dodge.

“Down in Mexico, on April 25th, Emperor Jose I of Mexico decreed that every Central American Territorial Province had been given the status of a province, and the territorial status of the Central Americans were revoked, and every Central American was now a full Mexican citizen. This staved off a large amount of the anger building up in the region against Mexico, and suddenly the Central American bands of warriors found themselves lacking in support from the local population.

Things got worse when Vicente Filisola’s army managed to catch the major bands of the Central American Guerillas at Matagalpa, in the Province of Nicaragua. The Battle of Matagalpa saw the Central American guerillas decisively destroyed with most of its leaders dying in the battle, and the Great Central American Uprising came to a brutal end.” The Great Central American Uprising, the University of San Jose, 1925.

“The 1826 New English General Election was a quiet affair as the main focus was given on the ongoing American Civil War. Israel Thorndike and his Tories managed to win the election again, however again, the major focus was given to the ongoing US Civil War, and the utter beginning of a collapse in the Federal States of America. On 9th December, 1826, Thorndike and the New English Parliament voted in favor of an intervention in the American Civil War, and to gain a larger buffer for New England in case of a Federal collapse and American victory. The 30,000 strong New English Army started mobilization immediately. The date of the New English intervention would be the 5th of January, 1827.” New England in the Civil War, University of Hartford, 1999.

“On the 21st of June 1826, Ibrahim Pasha, the Viceroy of Egypt under command of the Ottoman Empire, managed to enter the town of Mani in Greece, with an army of 7,000 outflanking the Greek revolutionaries, and European volunteers in the Greek Rebellion. There, he managed to link up with another Ottoman Army led by Mehmed Selim Pasha, and the armies of the Ottomans now numbered 25,000. The Greek revolutionaries under their new commander, Yannis Makriyannis was forced to retreat back, and the Acropolis was put under siege by the Ottomans.

Sultan Mahmud II was a great reformer, and much like his brother Selim III, he had been working to curb the power of the Janissaries. The American Civil War cut the Europeans out of the American cotton industry and suddenly the Ottomans were the largest producers of cotton again. Leveraging this, Mahmud II had exported cotton into Europe, and made a lot of money through it. He used the money to modernize the Ottoman Army. However due to his modernization, the Janissaries revolted on the 5th of March, 1826, however they were crushed by Mahmud II’s new and improved army. Mahmud II used the revolt as an excuse to disband the Janissaries, and as such, his new army was much more professional and modern and capable of fighting on an even playing field.

The Greek revolutionaries stood no chance in the Siege of the Acropolis as such. The Ottoman troops under the command of the Pasha and Ibrahim stormed the Acropolis and took it. However under the orders of Sultan Mahmud II, the Greek refugees in the Acropolis were unhurt and left alone by the Ottoman authorities and only the soldiers were taken prisoner by the Ottoman Army. The civilian refugees were escorted out of the Acropolis into a refugee center made by the Ottoman Government.

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The Siege of the Acropolis, 1826.

On the 29th of July, 1826 the Greek Rebellion petered out in the Ottoman Empire, and the Ottoman Empire stood victorious. In reward of his services, the Ottoman Empire granted Ibrahim Pasha the title of the ‘Egyptian Khedive’ passing the title of Egyptian viceroy into his personal family and gave Egypt a significant amount of autonomy. However, now Sultan Mahmud II was faced with a question on what to do about Greece. The population was still rowdy and keeping the territory under military occupation would not look great to the European powers, who were overwhelmingly Hellenephiles.

On October 1826, Mahmud II found a solution to his dilemma. The provinces of Morea and Attica were merged to form a semi-independent principality called the ‘Principality of Attica’ and was given a semi-independent status by Mahmud II in same manner such as Wallachia and Moldavia with its leader being given the title, Duke of Attica. Of course, the question arose, who would be the first Duke of Attica?

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Duke Otto I of Attica.

In late December, the title of Duke of Attica was offered by Sultan Mahmud II to a variety of German princes. Many of them did not agree to take up the mantle, however Ludwig I of Bavaria offered his son, Otto as the Duke of Attica. Through Otto’s ancestor, John II of Bavaria, Otto would be a descendant of the Byzantine imperial families of Komnenos and Laskaris, making him suitable for the title. Therefore, Sultan Mahmud II agreed, and Otto would soon be crowned as Duke Otto I of Attica. Attica, would indeed, have an interesting future ahead of itself, caught as a Greek power subordinate to the Ottomans, and in many cases loyal to the Ottomans, unlike their Serbian counterpart to the north.” A History of Modern and Contemporary Greece, University of Aachen, 1971.

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The map of North America at the end of 1826.

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  • The Kingdom of Louisiana was recognized by the USA as a fully independent state with King Louis Philippe I as its sovereign.
  • The territories of the Kingdom of Louisiana would be defined as the territories of Louisiana, Missouri, Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklahoma.
  • The border with Louisiana would be demilitarized by the USA until 1835.
  • France to lift the naval blockade on America, and the trade embargo.
  • Freedom of passage on the Mississippi river to be given to America by Louisiana.
And thus, a new nation was born.” The Treaty of St. Louis, University of New Orleans, 1998.
Vive le Roi!

Though would Louis-Philippe style himself as Louis-Philippe I? I feel like it would make more sense to style himself as Louis I or perhaps Louis III signifying political continuity with his Bourbon Relatives. With the Royalists very much in power it would be kind of strange for him to be known as Louis-Philippe. I mean Louis XVIII's full name was Louis-Stanislaw and Louis XVI's name was Louis-Auguste. His formal regnal name during this time period would probably be Louis de Louisiane.

I'm really excited by this development either way!

Though I feel like Lousiana is way too big with the US unlikely tolerate the narrow strip of land barely connecting it to the Northwestern Territories.

As for Tecumseh's Confederation/Mishigama, I feel like its days are simply numbered. Both demographics and economics would be working against it. The influx of White settlers from the British Canada or America is all but inevitable at this point which would likely cause a clash. Either way this would draw in either power for an intervention. The best outcome of such a clash for the Native Americans here would be if they manage to be integrated into the British orbit gaining some concessions for them that grants them autonomy of some sort. It would probably beat whatever the vengeful and revanchist US of ttl would do to them.

Thoughts? 1826 has come to an end, and 1827 will be the climax year!
I think you repeated the same post twice.
 
Vive le Roi!
Vive La Louisiane!
Though would Louis-Philippe style himself as Louis-Philippe I? I feel like it would make more sense to style himself as Louis I or perhaps Louis III signifying political continuity with his Bourbon Relatives. With the Royalists very much in power it would be kind of strange for him to be known as Louis-Philippe. I mean Louis XVIII's full name was Louis-Stanislaw and Louis XVI's name was Louis-Auguste. His formal regnal name during this time period would probably be Louis de Louisiane.
I mean i could, but according to what i have read in his memories and biography, the man was obstinate on the point that any regnal name of his would remain Louis Philippe and nothing else.
Though I feel like Lousiana is way too big with the US unlikely tolerate the narrow strip of land barely connecting it to the Northwestern Territories.
indeed, a second war may be in the works........
As for Tecumseh's Confederation/Mishigama, I feel like its days are simply numbered. Both demographics and economics would be working against it. The influx of White settlers from the British Canada or America is all but inevitable at this point which would likely cause a clash. Either way this would draw in either power for an intervention. The best outcome of such a clash for the Native Americans here would be if they manage to be integrated into the British orbit gaining some concessions for them that grants them autonomy of some sort. It would probably beat whatever the vengeful and revanchist US of ttl would do to them.
Not exactly. The British certainly aren't going to Mishigama. They have made a no settlement policy there, and the Mishigamans have just closed the border with America. Other for merchants and diplomats, no Americans are really allowed in Mishigama. Well unless they are Native Americans, then yes they are allowed in Mishigama.
I think you repeated the same post twice.
a quote disfunction i had. Internet problems.
 
Duke Otto I of Attica.

In late December, the title of Duke of Attica was offered by Sultan Mahmud II to a variety of German princes. Many of them did not agree to take up the mantle, however Ludwig I of Bavaria offered his son, Otto as the Duke of Attica. Through Otto’s ancestor, John II of Bavaria, Otto would be a descendant of the Byzantine imperial families of Komnenos and Laskaris, making him suitable for the title. Therefore, Sultan Mahmud II agreed, and Otto would soon be crowned as Duke Otto I of Attica. Attica, would indeed, have an interesting future ahead of itself, caught as a Greek power subordinate to the Ottomans, and in many cases loyal to the Ottomans, unlike their Serbian counterpart to the north.” A History of Modern and Contemporary Greece, University of Aachen, 1971.
I just realized that Greece is now a semi-autonomous state now much like Serbia. This is quite an interesting development nonetheless. Though considering how poor this part of Greece is, Otto's going to have an even harder time trying to form a viable state that's not a client state of the British/French. Though he might be able to leverage Russian support in ttl rather than relying on the UK.

indeed, a second war may be in the works........
Its all but guaranteed with how the US is currently. They still are in a good position to take on the rest of the other powers if they manage to settle their internal issues.

I mean i could, but according to what i have read in his memories and biography, the man was obstinate on the point that any regnal name of his would remain Louis Philippe and nothing else.
That's true. Considering how far he is from France, I guess he's basically dictating terms.

So as for the structure of Louisiana, what type of society would it be? What sort of aristocratic underpinnings would L-P try to create for his Kingdom? Would it essentially be the Francophone elites, or would he pull a Napoleon and ennoble a new set of military nobility loyal only to him thus diluting the nobles' power?

a quote disfunction i had. Internet problems.
Ah that's understandable. At least its not as bad as having your internet cut out in the middle of your finals like what happened to my friend yesterday.
 
Kinda have the feeling NE is going to try and take New York.
Not exactly. The British certainly aren't going to Mishigama. They have made a no settlement policy there, and the Mishigamans have just closed the border with America. Other for merchants and diplomats, no Americans are really allowed in Mishigama. Well unless they are Native Americans, then yes they are allowed in Mishigama.
Think that was one of the reasons for the American Revolution, the British wouldn't allow settlers to go further west then they already had.

Now with Louisiana free, we'll see if the Francophones will actually keep their promises to the Natives, or if ittl ironically enough Britain is the only one that actually kept their promises.
 
I just realized that Greece is now a semi-autonomous state now much like Serbia. This is quite an interesting development nonetheless. Though considering how poor this part of Greece is, Otto's going to have an even harder time trying to form a viable state that's not a client state of the British/French. Though he might be able to leverage Russian support in ttl rather than relying on the UK.
He's the ruler of an ottoman client state. Any foreign investment is all going to be Ottoman.
Its all but guaranteed with how the US is currently. They still are in a good position to take on the rest of the other powers if they manage to settle their internal issues.
Indeed. However ittl reconstruction will be interesting to note. USA ittl has been through war destruction for 13 years straight, with their demographics all broken up due to war, and their economy in the dust bin. They need a lot of time to recover.
That's true. Considering how far he is from France, I guess he's basically dictating terms.
kinda.
So as for the structure of Louisiana, what type of society would it be? What sort of aristocratic underpinnings would L-P try to create for his Kingdom? Would it essentially be the Francophone elites, or would he pull a Napoleon and ennoble a new set of military nobility loyal only to him thus diluting the nobles' power?
I think the Napoleonic version and some former Aristocrats who settled down in Louisiana like the House of de Marigny will be the nobility of Louisiana. Aristocratic and formal yes, however.
 
Kinda have the feeling NE is going to try and take New York.
no spoilers!
Think that was one of the reasons for the American Revolution, the British wouldn't allow settlers to go further west then they already had.
yeah but its a way smaller area, and not that very valuable either, with all the swamps. Rupert's land and British Columbia are far better targets for white settlers in Canada right now.
Now with Louisiana free, we'll see if the Francophones will actually keep their promises to the Natives, or if ittl ironically enough Britain is the only one that actually kept their promises.
heh indeed.
 
I won’t be surprised if war breaks between Louisiana and a revanchist America, it would make Sherman’s march to Atlanta look like a small expedition.
 
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