Yes. But what Im saying is, it is not necessarily written in stone that just because Nazism is gone, that it has to be replaced with a similar movement. Especially considering the Jungdo, Vikingbund etc.
The Red Baron's Mitteleuropa
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Yes. But what Im saying is, it is not necessarily written in stone that just because Nazism is gone, that it has to be replaced with a similar movement. Especially considering the Jungdo, Vikingbund etc.
MarshalBraginsky
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It'd still have a *National Socialist movement, but the term will be very different. Richthofen's DVNP would be a vanilla fascist movement in this case, but with some elements from syndicalism.
This is looking really good, MarshalBraginsky! I think you should put a lot of thought into how the Red Baron is going to run things. I think its too easy to just put him in a vanilla fascist party like the DNVP. He'd probably tread the line between Fascist and Monarchist. He'd be a conservative, no doubt, and very unlikely a democrat, but still.
I do like how this turns out, and the fact that the Nazis aren't around at all is going to be very interesting! For some reason I see the Baron (who I don't know much abou) as being a German patriot and nationalist, but not a revanchist.
Anyways, will be following this intently. Will be interesting to see what you do with Mitteleuropa and how similar it is to the ideas put down in mine.
I do like how this turns out, and the fact that the Nazis aren't around at all is going to be very interesting! For some reason I see the Baron (who I don't know much abou) as being a German patriot and nationalist, but not a revanchist.
Anyways, will be following this intently. Will be interesting to see what you do with Mitteleuropa and how similar it is to the ideas put down in mine.
MarshalBraginsky
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Dead by dawn? I haven't taken a look at it yet.
The Baron may not be a revanchist, but he'll certainly want to get Germany into a war once again. Although I'm aiming for a Mitteleuropa that includes an intact Royal Yugoslavia will definitely be in the cards.
Hrvatskiwi said:
The Baron may not be a revanchist, but he'll certainly want to get Germany into a war once again. Although I'm aiming for a Mitteleuropa that includes an intact Royal Yugoslavia will definitely be in the cards.
Read this last night, and I'm intrigued. I should say, didn't see the two deaths coming.
My predictions are that Richthofen's nationalistic/socialistic non-genocidal party comes to power in the Weimar Republic through democratic means. Richftofen's nationalism/fascism may be a little more like Mussolini's, to "restore the country to past days of glory" and all that. I can see him wanting to go to war as you said, but I definitely see him wanting back the Rhineland and ethnic German land like Austria, the Sudentland, and of course lands in Poland, all which Hitler wanted IOTL. An invasion of or demand for these lands will probaly trigger said war, which will be relatively minor compared to OTL's WWII. I can also see him getting in bed with the Soviets to see his "Mittleurope" come to pass.
That was a mouthful, but just my too cents. Consider be subscribed! I await to see were you take this.
I should say, didn't see the two deaths coming. My predictions are that Richthofen's nationalistic/socialistic non-genocidal party comes to power in the Weimar Republic through democratic means. Richftofen's nationalism/fascism may be a little more like Mussolini's, to "restore the country to past days of glory" and all that. I can see him wanting to go to war as you said, but I definitely see him wanting back the Rhineland and ethnic German land like Austria, the Sudentland, and of course lands in Poland, all which Hitler wanted IOTL. An invasion of or demand for these lands will probaly trigger said war, which will be relatively minor compared to OTL's WWII. I can also see him getting in bed with the Soviets to see his "Mittleurope" come to pass.
That was a mouthful, but just my too cents. Consider be subscribed!
I await to see were you take this.
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MarshalBraginsky
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Well Richthofen would definitely have to leave Czechoslovakia alone if he wants to court them.
What happens to Kaiser Wilhelm, I wonder. I'm sure, since he's big-shot nobility himself, that the Red BARON won't have the same amount of anti-Monarchism as Hitler. Could we see Wilhelm's son reinstated as a puppet, like Mussolini and the King of Italy, or perhaps that son becomes "President" or "Prime Minister" or something weird like that, to Manfred's Fuhrership? That'd be kinda awesome.
MarshalBraginsky
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Wilhelm II and his son would be mere figureheads, but they can try to share power with the Red Baron. After all, Richthofen still has a deep respect for the Kaiser.
Yes, exactly! Precisely what I was thinking.
Eagerly awaiting the next chapter!
MarshalBraginsky
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Unlike my other TLs, I will have the chapters, but I will chop each chapter into five subgroups, starting with Europe, then North America, South America, Africa and Asia-Pacific.
MarshalBraginsky
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Yes, but unfortunately I will have to pause on this update in order to shift my focus on finishing up my other two TLs. Any ideas, please post them. I'm thinking of maybe having the Red Baron get involved in the Russian Civil War, and then getting involved in the conflict involving the Spartacists and the Freikorps.
Easiest way to do so would be in the Baltics. Have Richtofen mirror Erhardt and form a Air Brigade of former Reichluftstreitkrafte members, and call it the "Luftbrigade Richtofen". Easy way to get Richtofen in close proximity to two very important Baltic Germans. Rosenberg and von Scheubner-Richter.
And by the way, there is NO way that any movement he will lead will not be anti-semitic in nature. All German nationalism at the time was anti-semitic.
MarshalBraginsky
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Well if that is the case, then I'm predicting that the Jews in Germany might end up migrating to the USSR (if it will still be established, but there will be a Jewish 'homeland' in the cards) or the USA. I'm also trying to come up with alternate places within the former Russian Empire for a good Jewish homeland. Alternatively, I'm also aiming at a possible inclusion of a Warlord Russia on a similar scale to the Warlord period in China, and then I can decide whether to have a nationalist, socialist or some other ideology in Russia after an alternate WWII. You know me; I wanted to experiment with unusual twists in alternate history.
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MarshalBraginsky
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Is this Erhart guy that you're talking about would be Erhart Milch? Also, I may have a role for Arthur Roy Brown as well, probably as an Air Marshal.
