The Raven Christ

Just for fun:
The Raven Crucifix:
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The thing is, once one of these tribal members gets ahold of a Bible, almost any version of it, they're going to see Christ is a teacher of peace.

I'm just wondering what your motivations are to have us try to help you create a Christ-like Native American Figure that is worshipped by serial killers?
 

Rocano

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The thing is, once one of these tribal members gets ahold of a Bible, almost any version of it, they're going to see Christ is a teacher of peace.

I'm just wondering what your motivations are to have us try to help you create a Christ-like Native American Figure that is worshipped by serial killers?
No they dont get the Bible. The Tribesmen take their traitor god Raven and compare him. As Christians take land Raven Christ will always appear as a Strong God.
And for the last Time Christ is meant to mean God. The natives dont understand the concept of the Trinity.
 

Rocano

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also never said he would be worshipped by Serial killers. The idea was that Serail Killers would deviate the beleifs believing R-C to be Shaitan.

Also the idea is the emergence of a Semi-Christian, Semi-Native Monotheistic Religion emerge from the Pacific NorthWest. Now seeing Christ as a man of peace, maybe. Now as i said, Even if they got the Bible they would see God as an Tyrant. Old testament
 
also never said he would be worshipped by Serial killers. The idea was that Serail Killers would deviate the beleifs believing R-C to be Shaitan.

Also the idea is the emergence of a Semi-Christian, Semi-Native Monotheistic Religion emerge from the Pacific NorthWest. Now seeing Christ as a man of peace, maybe. Now as i said, Even if they got the Bible they would see God as an Tyrant. Old testament

You stated that maybe Serial Killers would worship Raven Christ

Always wondered what Raven Chrsit Imagery would look like. Imagine war with the Raven Cults. They would would be ruthless ritualistsic Murderers. Maybe Serial Killers would worship the Raven Christ

So now you want them to worship a Warrior-Christ like figure, however, they never ever, throughtout any time in history, up to the Modern Age, get ahold of a Bible? And if they do, they're not going to be worshipping Raven-Christ, but Raven-Yeshua?

Because the very title of your diety is the Raven-Christ, which implies in it's name, that it has something to do with Christ. So, I'm trying to figure out what you want. From what I can understand you want all the violent aspects of both religions tied together, and then put on the mantle of Christ, who is written as a man of peace? And if they get a Bible, they're going to ignore the whole Christ thing, and go with the Old Testament?
 
You stated that maybe Serial Killers would worship Raven Christ



So now you want them to worship a Warrior-Christ like figure, however, they never ever, throughtout any time in history, up to the Modern Age, get ahold of a Bible? And if they do, they're not going to be worshipping Raven-Christ, but Raven-Yeshua?

Because the very title of your diety is the Raven-Christ, which implies in it's name, that it has something to do with Christ. So, I'm trying to figure out what you want. From what I can understand you want all the violent aspects of both religions tied together, and then put on the mantle of Christ, who is written as a man of peace? And if they get a Bible, they're going to ignore the whole Christ thing, and go with the Old Testament?
I'm sure when the Raven-Christ cultists read Revaltion they'll think that the whole man of peace thing was some kind of one time deal until he returned and on that day he would slaughter all those who dared not worship him.
 
The thing is, once one of these tribal members gets ahold of a Bible, almost any version of it, they're going to see Christ is a teacher of peace.

I'm not so sure that faith can be predicted nor that it evolves in a logical manner.

The Cathars were a European Gnostic sect who believed the Bible was written by the Devil to mislead man. They thought the God referred to in the Old Testament was really the Devil himself. If the Cathars had greater access to the Old Testament, their views would not change. Given that unusual beliefs like this existed OTL then the author of TTL should be allowed a great deal of latitude in creating these Ravenites.

Worshipers of the Raven-Christ would do what many religions do - pick and chose from available text, and then just make the rest up. Indian beliefs rely a lot on personal journeys and personal interpretations and rely less on authoritarian text. It is reasonable to posit that Ravenites would not be bound by current interpretations of the Bible. It is also noteworthy that early OTL West coast Shaker Indians rejected the Bible altogether, but still adopted many aspects of Christianity.
 
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Rocano

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Exactly. Now Rattslinger im sure that your a good Christian and i respect that but this Thread is about a Gnostic Religion emerging. Raven-Christ is a mixture of the Raven and Christ. Not just Christ learn about the Raven and learn about Gnosticism. Pluss the whole apocalypse and burn in hell if you dont follow me isnt peace. By the way came up with new Verse

Verse 5
" Doth Christ cometh to the Mountain and merge spirits with Raven, Birth of Black Angel, Crow God, Raven-Christ"

BTW R-C is known as King of Liars, King of Death, Son of the East Wind, Man of the Great Mountain. In the Ravenist Religion Mt.Tacoma is a Sacred site asthat is where they believe Christ caught the Raven and Merged. Mount Ranier is supposed to be the Gateway to Heaven like Olympus.
 
Then why are you asking for our opinions, if you're just going to write whatever you want anyways?

As for being Christian, you have no idea what I am, so quit passing judgements on me.

You asked us, how things could be done, then when we start trying to help you, or point out inconsistencies in what you want, you get upset and then keep changing it about. So, either tell us what you want help with, or write whatever you want, then we can see it in the Alternate History Writer's Forum on this site.
 

Rocano

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Reviving this thread as i always held it dear to my Heart.

Also just a sorry to Rattslinger i was a total; Noob back than and didnt get much at all.
 
Some time after this thread originally died I read Gibson's novel "Spook Country". The book is OK, but left feeling let down. The reason I bring it up is that one of the characters in the book is a junky who often spends his time reading about medieval gnostic religions. Gibson focuses on how the concept of free-will was considered heresy in the middle ages. He describes these free-will-ers committing all sorts of terrible acts as a sort of religious expression --- they are proving they have free will by choosing to do abhorrent acts, or they may be "proving" that no act is not favored by God. That seems to fit in with what your shooting for with the Raven-Christ.

The book Gibson may be referring to in his novel is probably Pursuit of the Millennium. I have not read it but it does look interesting. Here is a quote from one of the reviewers of Pursuit of the Millennium
Some ideas appeal to dark places in people's minds: these are dangerous ideas, and parents and teachers would do well to instruct their children, so that they do not succumb. One such idea is that "God" is in everything, and that when a person becomes aware of this he or she becomes entirely free and can follow his or her desires without any negative ethical implication. Another way of putting this is that nothing is good or bad, but thinking makes it so, as Hamlet said. This type of belief might lead a person to the most brutal behaviors without any perception that they had done ill.
 
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