The Rainbow. A World War One on Canada's West Coast Timeline

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by YYJ, Jun 14, 2019.

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  1. Father Maryland Enemy of Neo Secesh Everywhere

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    So assuming Radl is captured (and isn't killed in battle) it seems very likely he'll meet his end via a noose.

    But what it makes me wonder is will Radl's "treason" will inevitably lead to a huge amount of hysteria about enemy aliens and immigrants from the central powers. Perhaps that hysteria will lead to a much more extensive internment of enemy aliens.
     
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  2. Dave Shoup Well-Known Member

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  3. Driftless Geezer

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    Is Von Spee using his accumulated frequent sailor miles to upgrade his transportation?:winkytongue:
     
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  4. Threadmarks: Stretched very thin indeed

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    Aug 17, 1945 hours. SMS Nürnberg, Prince Rupert Harbour.

    Von Schönberg called a quick meeting of his officers, and brought Stabbootsman Lange over from the Talthibius for the occasion.

    “Other than the railhead, and the ships in port, there is one more target in the City of Prince Rupert that it behooves us to destroy. Mr. Radl says that the city has the largest floating drydock in the world, save for one in Manila. Designed with a capacity for ships of 20,000 tons. It is under construction and almost complete. The pontoon dock is made of wood. We could shell it until it sank, and expend time and ammunition. Then it would likely be salvaged with minimal effort. Or we could send a landing party to burn it, and expose the men to a counterattack from the local constabulary and militia. This liner and her cargo give me a better idea.”

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  5. Spencersj345.346 Well-Known Member

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    Prepare for ramming speed
     
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  6. weasel_airlift Well-Known Member

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    I think this is a repeat of A Tall Straight Bow. Mostly
     
  7. perdu42 Well-Known Member

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    Beat me to it... extra paragraph at the end, yes?
     
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  8. Duke of Nova Scotia The Alpine Oracle

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    Would the powers that be, let the fact a former grand trunk employee switched sides? This is wartime, censorship is strong.
     
  9. weasel_airlift Well-Known Member

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    Looks like it
     
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    I just caught up to this thread, one of the most original I've seen, great job
     
  11. YYJ Well-Known Member

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    Oops.
    Thanks.
     
  12. YYJ Well-Known Member

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    Edit: chopped out the repeated text in last chapter. I would not have written such a short chapter on purpose, but this solution is the best way to not disrupt the thread structure.
     
  13. RelativeGalaxy7 Junior Canada Wanker

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    I'm not sure if this is tied into the story or not but the floating drydock in Prince Rupert isn't even the largest Drydock in Canada at the time. The Duke of Connaught floating drydock was built by Vickers in the UK for Vickers Montreal in 1912 and was in Montreal by the time of these events.

    Dimensions are similar except for depth which gives the Montreal 5,000 more tons.

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  14. Oldbill Well-Known Member

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    Talthibius is the ship you want as an aux raider, NOT one of the liners. Talthibius can be modified, canvas and wood structures built, repainted. You can run her anywhere in the world with a chance of success, and probably on less fuel than one of those three funneled liners. The liners have three funnels, these can't be concealed adequately, they are a dead giveaway. Putting the Talthibius into action means Germany has a raider the world doesn't know about yet, and keeps some of the crew fighting. Burn the liners at the piers, together. Just doing that will to a large degree cripple the west coast trade of Canada for quite awhile.
     
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  15. Oldbill Well-Known Member

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    Burning the dry dock is a good option, regardless of the possible opposition. Otherwise, torpedo the damned thing. You can put two torps into both sides before it sinks. Let the RCN try and salvage that, wont be a quick job. After that, sink whats in the harbor, take Talthybius and run. Find a quiet place in the American Alaskan shoreline, outfit the Freighter sail south as far out to sea as you can. If you run low on fuel, transfer weapons to the Talthybius, scuttle Nurnberg and go a raiding. The Allies wont know for months whats happening, but insurers will when ships start disappearing, and that's a win.
     
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  16. YYJ Well-Known Member

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    How about that. I am really noticing that I have to cross reference sources to see what is closest to the truth. Second biggest floating drydock in the Pacific? Radl may believe his claim to be true, even if it is not. In any case, it is a mother big floating drydock, and a target that screams for attention.

    Here is a picture of HMS Orbita. 15,000 tons in the dock. It also accomodated HMS Otranto, late from the Battle of Colonel, but the pictures I have are not as good.

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    HMS Otranto
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  17. YYJ Well-Known Member

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    Good points all. Regarding torpedoes in particular, Nürnberg only carried 5 total, and she has already fired one. I think Von Schönberg would be very stingy with them, in case he needs them later.
     
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    He does have plenty of dynamite, though. If he can rig up a good charge underneath the dock, he might be able to break it in half.
     
  19. Dilvish Well-Known Member

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    Radl believes it is the second-largest dry dock. That is good enough for the story. I'm sure that was believed by a good number of people in B.C. at the time in OTL. Who is the dry dock's owner?
     
  20. Dilvish Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking the same thing about the effect on Canada's west coast trade. New liners will need to be built, or brought from somewhere else. The sinking of liners and freighters will also slow down the rebuilding. What will be the economic damage to British Columbia?

    Could we see some ship owners reflagging their ships in the USA, if that is legal, or not too illegal? The USN may also send a cruiser, or additional cruiser up to Alaska just in case.
     
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