Then for him is the same situation as Sigismund
The same situation as her niece, Eleanor of Austria, I think the most palatable marriage without leaving her daughter would be marrying the duke of Calabria but the Habsburgs and the Avis might frown down that marriage.
 
The same situation as her niece, Eleanor of Austria, I think the most palatable marriage without leaving her daughter would be marrying the duke of Calabria but the Habsburgs and the Avis might frown down that marriage.
The Duke of Calabria as husband is out of question and if she remarried she will not be able to keep her daughter in any case
 
Shitshow in France
"The latter half of the 15th century and the outset of the 16th proved to be a difficult period for France. With the unexpected death of Charles VIII in Italy, the country was plunged into debt and in disarray as a result of his ambition. Aside from his brother Louis, Duke of Orleans, the Valois dynasty now hung by a thread. Well aware of her brother-in-law's reputations and plans to divorce Princess Jeanne, the now-widowed Anne of Brittany returned to her homeland three days after her husband's death, accompanied by the 5-year-old Dauphin, Charles Orlando. There, as hereditary Duchess of Brittany, she began steps to regain the independence of the duchy and secure the well-being of her heir, who had been cloistered under heavy scrutiny by his father following his near-death from the measles outbreak of 1495. Had the Dauphin been left to the devices of the nursery staff and palace guards, he would've undoubtedly been murdered to secure the schemes of his mother's political opponents.

The royal court of France was historically plagued by internal conflict and political intrigue. The schemes of ambitious players like Orleans and the conniving Louise of Savoy, whose son Francois was heir apparent of the cadet branch, would only exacerbate the nation's turmoil. France could not endure another civil war. For too long had the nation been embroiled by the reigns of ineffectual monarchs and their controversies. She would need a strong king in the years to come, and little Orlando would not become a footnote to history. Anne would ensure that, even if it cost her her life."

- Delphine Desroches, A Clash of Kings: France's Anarchy
 
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Anne of Brittany as regent of France? Heck yeah! :cool:

btw did any other of her children survive?

Still figuring that one out, actually. I've considered pushing Claude and Renee's birthdays back, and I found out in my research today that Anne had delivered a stillborn daughter just weeks before Charles' 'unfortunate' demise. So, butterflies permitting, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility... But yes, I'm sure Anne will make a fine regent. :closedeyesmile:
 
A daughter will not be amiss or even a second son. Anne should turn to the Bourbons for help, even if she did not like them very much. Louis of Orleans and Louise of Savoy are waiting in the wings...
 
Of course, with a surviving Charles Orlando, Francis, or an ATL version, won't be so close to the throne anyway, which would likely check Louise of Savoy's ambitions at least a little....
 
These are all good points. Should young Orlando have a surviving sister, might an arranged marriage to one of the Bourbons bolster support? Anne's insistence in maintaining Brittany's independence was what mainly prompted Louis to divorce Jeanne IOTL.
 
These are all good points. Should young Orlando have a surviving sister, might an arranged marriage to one of the Bourbons bolster support?
Considering who are the Bourbons right now is pretty unlikely seeing another royal wedding for them

Anne's insistence in maintaining Brittany's independence was what mainly prompted Louis to divorce Jeanne IOTL.
Absolutely not, maybe that was in the end the main reason for Louis and Anne’s marriage but Louis was forced to marry Jeanne and had wanted divorce her long before his accession on the throne (and had wanted also Anne as bride for long time as he was one of her suitors when her father was still alive).

Here Louis, who is still the first prince of blood, will likely try to make a pact with Anne (of Brittany) for getting royal support for his divorce from Jeanne (like he had done in OTL with Anne of Beajeu for her recognition and support as King) and will likely remarry to someone who is not the Queen Regent...
And I think Louise of Savoy is a very likely candidate for be the next Duchess of Orléans here...
 
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You caught onto that, eh? :evilupset:
You will go for that route, then? I was just thinking to another possible wife for Orléans if he do not become King and Louise was the most logical answer: young (still in her early 20s), clearly fertile, with good connections and will bring to Louis his actual heir presuntive as stepson...
If he can not have the Queen Regent as wife, Louise is likely the next best match
 
Margaret of Angloumene and Charles Orlando would be a interesting royal couple as well....
Pretty unlikely match as Charles Orlando will have no reason for marrying her and a lot of better choices available:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Tudor_(1492–1495)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Tudor,_Queen_of_France
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Austria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibylle_of_Bavaria
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabina_of_Bavaria
Madeleine or Catherine of Navarre https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_of_Navarre#Children
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_Sforza
ATL daughter of HRE Maximilian I and Bianca Maria Sforza
ATL daughter of Ludovico Sforza and Beatrice d’Este
Julia of Naples (daughter of King Frederick IV)
Philiberta of Savoy (Louise’s half-sister)


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germaine_of_Foix, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_de_Navarre,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne,_Duchess_of_Bourbon
have some outsider chances but only if the King refute a foreign match
 
I think Catherine of Aragon can marry Charles Orlando if she is denied the dispensation.
No way. Katherine is really too old for him... The King of France can marr6 much better than to a widow seven years older than him, Infanta of Spain or not... Eleanor of Austria is a much better and much more likely match for him
 
Well @Shy Girl 1918, since you prodded me into writing Chapter 7 of 'Spes Patriae', I thought I would just drop by this thread and reassure you that I am very much looking forward to seeing where you take this story. We can safely say that we are writing two very different stories from the same POD, I promise, so you needn't think you're treading on my toes. If anything, I'm treading on yours :) Hope all's well!
 
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