The Power and the Glitter!

vultan

Electric Monk said:
I love the Squid and how you described! Heck if it's super popular (Squid plushie?) maybe we get a good Lovecraft movie out of this or, even better, something akin to the Laundry novels or Delta Green.
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My plans for Lovecraft will eventually become apparent, with the earlier prominence of a currently active prominent film director who is in love with him.

However, this may or may not effect the course of monster movies in the 1990's...

With James Cameron pushing visual effects forward where he didn't IOTL since neither True Lies nor Titanic really needed the demanding requirements of Terminator 2 how is that going to change the state of computer graphics ITTL?
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Let's be fair: there were some demanding requirements for Titanic (ie: scale modeling), which was unprecedented for the time (though I made an indirect hint earlier than Cameron would be using something like that earlier for the riot scenes, and probably also the Vietnam battle).

But there is one big difference in special effects: Doctor Manhattan will be the first major character in film history being realized completely by computer effects. I believe in OTL that never _really_ happened until George Lucas created Jar Jar Binks for Star Wars: Episode I... in 1999. After that, there was an explosion of CGI characters on the screen (Doby in Harry Potter, Gollum in LOTR, etc). So yeah, there's that (but you'll have to wait until I give details on that in the special effects section)...

Furthermore, although technology isn't the focus, you probably could butterfly some tech developments from that if you felt like it (heck just product placement for something could do it).
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You're right, I haven't. Any suggestions?

Mission Impossible II or Face/Off? Because those are the ones that leap to mind with potential consequences.
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I've already given off too much!:D

Oh, and would it be possible to get a mini-movie round-up? Just the various little differences in movies that have been somewhat effected (but not entirely changed) by the POD? The equivalent of a "where are they now" kinda post.
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Probably you'll get something like this around the time of the 67th Academy Awards. Mind you, not very much should be changed by then, though there will be some subtle, some not-so-subtle differences.

Give it a few years though, then maybe...
 

vultan

Enigmajones said:
After reading the first page of this I must say, the coolest thing about this timeline, is that Charlton Heston gets the role he was born to play.
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I can assure you this, he'll get to beat the living crap outta some punks before he goes down.:cool:
 

vultan

Enigmajones said:
This is probably the second coolest movie project that could've been made. The best obviously being one of the many proposed POTA remakes.
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We could solve half our problems with this by keeping Mr. Burton faaar away from any damn dirty apes.;)
 
Electric Monk

Electric Monk

Interesting hints you're dropping… :).

vultan said:
You're right, I haven't. Any suggestions? [on technology]
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Hmm. Well I suppose it depends on how the Watchmen is modelling the alternate past. The Apple Newton is probably the most futuristic possible thing that could be adapted and since it's nothing like a regular computer wouldn't seem as out of place.

The consequences of a potential Newton boomlet wouldn't save Apple or alter OTL events much until Steve Jobs sits down to consider killing the Newton, but it could popularize that kind of computer. Japan, in particular, is poorly served by Windows at the time (didn't handle the characters right) so drawing the character would be huge and that's probably the one market you could radically change. Newton & perhaps a Sony-Palm venture phones (IIRC there were plans for a 2G wireless modem) in the late '90s as their 3G starts being built would change things.
 

vultan

Electric Monk said:
Interesting hints you're dropping… :).



Hmm. Well I suppose it depends on how the Watchmen is modelling the alternate past. The Apple Newton is probably the most futuristic possible thing that could be adapted and since it's nothing like a regular computer wouldn't seem as out of place.

The consequences of a potential Newton boomlet wouldn't save Apple or alter OTL events much until Steve Jobs sits down to consider killing the Newton, but it could popularize that kind of computer. Japan, in particular, is poorly served by Windows at the time (didn't handle the characters right) so drawing the character would be huge and that's probably the one market you could radically change. Newton & perhaps a Sony-Palm venture phones (IIRC there were plans for a 2G wireless modem) in the late '90s as their 3G starts being built would change things.
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Hmmm... (I ask this as nothing near the tech expert as many others on the board are)... could Veidt using something along the lines of an "all-purpose" device that's obviously modeled on the Newton, but is also used as a Star Trek-style communicator, maybe create some sort of demand for that sort of product, leading to earlier development of something like a smartphone...?
 

vultan

Brainbin said:
And maybe while we're at it, we can butterfly away Marky Mark's acting career. Can you feel it baby? I can too.
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Hey, Boogie Nights was a GOOD MOVIE!

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Although, the first person they wanted for his role was Leo, so who knows? Depends on what James Cameron feels like doing after Watchmen...
 
Electric Monk

Electric Monk

vultan said:
Hmmm... (I ask this as nothing near the tech expert as many others on the board are)... could Veidt using something along the lines of an "all-purpose" device that's obviously modeled on the Newton, but is also used as a Star Trek-style communicator, maybe create some sort of demand for that sort of product, leading to earlier development of something like a smartphone...?
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The Original Newton MessagePad (OMP)[1] itself is way too big to hold up as a phone. However as a combination texting and video call device + Tricorder it'd work great. In addition Apple was around in 1985 so it's not impossibly out of place and Apple was huge on buying product placement in the '90s (see: Mission Impossible).

The smartphone idea was out there in the mid '90s. We have ideas about a plug-in modem for the Newton and Palm devices. We have General Magic.

Now the problem is wireless data is slow as heck in this time period but for email, texts, (whatever you'd call it) sending handwritten Newton notes it can do it, and even very slow web browsing is all possible.

Which is why I suggested Japan. For starters they have the most up-to-date wireless network (outside of Finland, basically), Windows doesn't work well with Japanese characters and Apple is strong there because of that, Japanese consumer electronics companies could absolutely hop on Palm or General Magic more than OTL, and so on.

So yes, in other words, we could see an early smartphone.


[1] The only working model that could be used. However given the '94 release date Apple might well give non-working prototype MessagePads (that resemble the 110 or 120) to the production department since the screen will be CGI'd anyway.
 
Electric Monk

Electric Monk

vultan said:
Electric Monk, can I officially make you my go-to guy for tech possibilities in this timeline? Seriously, thanks for your thoughts!:)
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Absolutely.

I really need to get my tech timeline / Japan does economically better timeline going again. All these pop culture timelines are giving me ideas to broaden it (if Sony doesn't buy into Hollywood for instance…).

Enigmajones said:
After I saw that film, and I use that word lightly, I wanted to do a lot of things to Mr. Burton.
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I think we all did. My god what a disaster.
 
Brainbin

Brainbin

vultan said:
Let's be fair- if you ignore that one movie he has a pretty sterling career, even if I don't have exactly his sense of humor.
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Maybe... if you also ignore Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I think he really needs to stay away from remakes.
 
Electric Monk

Electric Monk

Feel free to PM me (or email if you like, I'll toss it to you over PM) if you need a tech advisor. In case you missed my post.

vultan said:
Let's be fair- if you ignore that one movie he has a pretty sterling career, even if I don't have exactly his sense of humor.
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Well…. I love several films and I like several others, but he has plenty of missteps IMO:

Brainbin said:
Maybe... if you also ignore Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I think he really needs to stay away from remakes.
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Like that. Oof.
 

vultan

Enigmajones said:
It is probably the worst movie I've ever seen, if not for the fact that I am a high POTA fan. And I do like his other films, which is why I hated him for royally fucking with the Greatest Movie of all time.
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In his defense, he recognized later on that it wasn't his best effort.
 
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