The Power and the Glitter!
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Realizing I'm coming in a bit late...
(I do kind of wonder what Aaron Sorkin might've done with it, tho.)
I do like the Duke touch.
Also, you apparently don't share BB's disdain for Whedon.
About Kurt Russell, this (wayback'd...) says he was up for Bats in "Triumphant" & "Forever" (& Han Solo!).
I'm also not sure about Hamill, but I'm biased by Jackie Earle Haley absolutely owning the role, & by Guerrero. (And, yes, the Hayter-Tse screenplay nailed it {tho, arguably, it was written for an audience that had read the limited or the graphic novel}. The only flaw was Rorschach being afraid at the end.)
(OK, how recognizable will a redheaded Mark Hamill be?)
I suppose Richard Dean "I can't spell my character's name" Anderson is out of the question?
{Seriously, do all android characters have to be dweebs? Except Yancy Butler. And look how that went.})
Or was Jonathon Del Arco unavailable?
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One downside, tho: this might butterfly "Legend". (OK, how many people noticed? I'd regret it.)
): he was perfectly cast as a faux Spader.
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Also, can I ask about this:
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Just about the best choice you could find.vultan said:
(I do kind of wonder what Aaron Sorkin might've done with it, tho.)I'm trying to recall if the graphic novel was out yet...'cause finding the complete limited would've been a real bear. It was hot.vultan said:
vultan said:
I do like the Duke touch.
Also, you apparently don't share BB's disdain for Whedon.
About Kurt Russell, this (wayback'd...) says he was up for Bats in "Triumphant" & "Forever" (& Han Solo!
).An excellent choice IMO. I only hope it doesn't butterfly away "Bubba Ho-tep" & Sam Axe ("Burn Notice")...vultan said:
I'm also not sure about Hamill, but I'm biased by Jackie Earle Haley absolutely owning the role, & by Guerrero. (And, yes, the Hayter-Tse screenplay nailed it {tho, arguably, it was written for an audience that had read the limited or the graphic novel}. The only flaw was Rorschach being afraid at the end.
)Agreed, & I think it's a good idea.Brainbin said:
Bear in mind, more than a few in the audience will be looking for him with the mask off.Brainbin said:
(OK, how recognizable will a redheaded Mark Hamill be?)Also not impossible...Brainbin said:
You have one subscribed, too.vultan said:
I suppose Richard Dean "I can't spell my character's name" Anderson is out of the question?I have to say, I've never been impressed with him. (How much of that was based on bad writing causing me to want to push him out an airlock at the earliest opportunity, IDK.vultan said:
{Seriously, do all android characters have to be dweebs? Except Yancy Butler. And look how that went.})Nobody thought of "3 of 5"?vultan said:
Don't tell me Jeri Ryan turned it down?vultan said:
Or was Jonathon Del Arco unavailable?Damn, I'm good.vultan said:
Doubtless you know, OTL that was at Anderson's request. Also, in response to how TTL's film O'Neill & OTL's TV O'Neill couldn't be the same: who says? OTL's film version had his son die; who says TTL's film version does? The film wanted a reluctant O'Neill; he could be reluctant for a host of reasons, not least simple burnout at doing to many spec ops. (I also want a better explanation why a USAF guy is so much like a shooter from "The Unit"...vultan said:
)One downside, tho: this might butterfly "Legend".
(OK, how many people noticed? I'd regret it.)I find myself very ambivalent about this. I never liked him, tho he was good in "Silverado". It does seem to bugger Michael Shanks' chances of getting cast for *"SG-1" (presuming it's even made TTLvultan said:
): he was perfectly cast as a faux Spader.vultan said:
Except for "The Sixth Sense", which I liked, I agree with that. (I won't be sorry TTL never knows who Haley Joel Osment is, tho I will be sorry Bruce Vilanch can't do his "I see dead people" on "Squares".TheInfiniteApe said:
)Also, can I ask about this:
Which films did you have in mind?vultan said:
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Thanks for all the comments, and glad you're on board now! I just have one question for you first...
...why didn't you ask me this on the thread I posted it on?
Because I couldn't find the original quote...vultan said:...why didn't you ask me this on the thread I posted it on?
If it's where I think, BB's "ST" thread, feel free to answer there, instead.So casting her in "Stargate" might be pretty unlikely. (As said, tho, I do like the idea. Especially after "Mojave Moon" & "Gia".wikipedia said:
)Because I couldn't find the original quote...
So casting her in "Stargate" might be pretty unlikely. (As said, tho, I do like the idea. Especially after "Mojave Moon" & "Gia".
It's on the top of (current) last page of "That Wacky Redhead", FWIW.
And as for that bit of Jolie info... we'll say it's butterflies.
Of course it is...vultan said:
I can live with that.vultan said:IAnd as for that bit of Jolie info... we'll say it's butterflies.
Can I request Cameron get much better roles than OTL? She was superb in "The Mask", & it still astounds me it was her debut.Brainbin said:
She deserved better.I'd agree with the "ST:V" sentiment. It wasn't terrible (& was most faithful to Gene's original vision), but could've been better.vultan said:
Only the "SG-1" stuff comes immediately to mind.
(The rest, I looked at the TV schedules on WP.)Predicated on "SG-1" even happening: avoid the Carter-O'Neill romance. It's silly. (If you can change Jackson so he's less a weenie, you'll also butterfly Shanks quitting & coming back; otherwise, leave him dead. He's not Dr. Doom.
) Also, push Vala into the vortex of an incoming wormhole at the first opportunity. (I like Claudia Black, just not Vala.) And just wrap the show after they defeat the Goa'uld. Go out on a hi note. (Yep, not a fan of the Ori Arc.) Also, the "ascended" & "second evolution" is plain stupid. (Atlantis being anywhere but around Thera is pretty stupid, too.)Can you avoid "Buffy" being a dog? Without butterflying out the series entirely?
Any chance of "Reasonable Doubts" lasting longer? (I really liked Marlee in it, & Harmon was good, even before Gibbs.
) Or "Shannon's Deal"? (OTL, "Shannon's Deal" was gone already...& "Reasonable Doubts" would be before "Watchmen" TTL, too.)On the superhero angle, don't let "Lois & Clark" go for a wedding. (In the comics, it made sense; on the show, not.) Also, let Mulder & Scully stay just friends. (Seriously, can't male-female partners just work together? {Cue Meg Ryan.
})Can you sort out some of Milch's (IIRC) alcohol problems? It made the writing (& production) on "NYPD Blue" chaotic at times...& it didn't help the show. (I don't suppose it's going to go longer than 12yrs, but...
)Any chance of keeping the original cast & concept of "Murder One"? Of giving "The Sentinel" slightly better casting (Burgi's good, but the other 2 are cyphers), & a 5-year run? Or "Martial Law"? "Profiler", too. (I just love Ally's voice.
Not hard on the eyes, either.)Is there a hope of "C-16" surviving? (OTL, debut '97, #124...
)Keep "seaQuestDSV" off the air!
(Yikes, it was awful.) "Due South", too. Also "Touched by an Angel".Can you avoid the death of Brandon Lee? And can you have Maury Chaykin fall under a subway train, or something?
Jim Varney, too, while you're at it.Films? (I looked these up...
) Can you send "Days of Thunder" & "Driven" to development hell? (And the writers & producers to hell?) God, what awful garbage. (And I refuse to watch either one. Ever.) I've a hunch your POD is too late to prevent "DoT"...Stop "Alien 3" & "Alien 4" from being made at all? And "Point of No Return"? And "Spaceballs"? (I've a hunch they're all too early...) "Speed 2", at least? "The Cowboy Way"? "Serial Mom"? "Die Hard With a Vengeance"? (Even the 2d one was too many... "Live Free..." was way over the top.
)Stop "Waterworld"
... And "Ace Ventura", "Assassins", "The Brady Bunch Movie", "Copycat" (a singularly bad idea: Hollywood really has no clue how serial killers think), "The Quick & the Dead", "Under Siege 2" (the original was excellent; this was pure junk), "Independence Day" (jeez, if those aliens were able to cross intergalactic space, they could stomp us like ants), "Twister" (too silly), "101 Dalmatians" (the original was excellent; this is garbage), "Barb Wire" (much as I like seeing Pam naked), "Daylight", "Don't be a Menace...in the Hood" (a less funny film I don't recall), "The Juror" (how stupid are criminals in Hollywood?), "Mars Attacks!" (tho it might have helped Slim Whitman's record sales), "Mary Reilly" (Honestly, if you're going to make a Ripper film, make a damn Ripper film, don't screw around.), "Titanic" (Romance between 3d class & 1st is absurd.), "Starship Troopers" (or at least change the name...), "National Lampoon's Vacation" (any & all of them), "Armageddon" & "Deep Impact" (2 of the silliest premises for an SF film I've ever seen), "An Alan Smithee Film: Burn Hollywood Burn" ("an epic bomb"...), "Blues Brothers 2000" (the original was terrific; this sucked), "Black Dog" (costarring Meat Loaf is a hint...), "Bride of Chucky" (&, while I'm thinking of it, all the awful sequels to "Nightmare on Elm Street", "Halloween", & "Friday the 13h"), "The Astronaut's Wife", "Deuce Bigalow", "Galaxy Quest", "But I'm a Cheerleader", "The Mating Habits of the Earthbound Human", "Mod Squad", "Mystery Men", the remake of "Carrie" & "The Rage: Carrie 2", the remake of "The Thomas Crown Affair" (after you've had McQueen do it, why remake it?), & the remake of "Psycho" (& send the producers to hell).I'd be curious to know if "The American President" couldn't have been more political & less a romance-comedy. And if you can give "Se7en" a kick in the ass (same reason as "Copycat"
), it'd be good. (I suppose "Showgirls" is beyond redemption?) A change to the (filmed) ending of "Wild Things" would suit me nicely: just don't explain it...) Give "12 Monkeys" a kick, too: don't they know, you can't change your own past? (Think about it.) "Last Man Standing", too, while you're at it. (They might as well have called Willis' character Yojimbo. How unsubtle can you be? And it didn't have the great music of "Fistfull of Dollars".) And can you drive a stake through the heart of the theory Keyzer Soze was a real person? It appears TTL's "Watchmen" could affect Russell in "Executive Decision"; I hope it doesn't get butterflied, 'cause I really liked that one. (If "Escape from L.A." never got made, I wouldn't miss it...) Angelina being successful earlier might butterfly "Foxfire", too, which I think I'd be unhappy about. Give "Amistad" a smack? It should've been about them taking over the ship, not the damn court case. And is there any way "The Negotiator", a superb film IMO, can actually make money?I'm really not familiar enough with the histories to offer casting options I'd like on films that did get made...
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Welcome to the party! Would you like some light refreshments?
I might have occasion to praise him more if everybody else toned it down a little. He's not that good a writer! It figures you would find Shakespeare overrated, and not this guy, who so defines the word that you could find his picture next to the dictionary entry! But don't get me started, or else I might never stopphx1138 said:Also, you apparently don't share BB's disdain for Whedon.
Remember, it's only been ten years since Jedi. His appearance in the contemporary Wing Commander III was basically that of Luke Skywalker with a beard.phx1138 said:Bear in mind, more than a few in the audience will be looking for him with the mask off.
vultan never really went into fan reaction to the casting except for after-the-fact, but I'm willing to say that I called itphx1138 said:Also not impossible...
I find much of the TNG cast rather wooden, even when I know they can be better (Burton and even Stewart sometimes fell victim to poor writing), but Data was the only one whose woodenness seemed justifiable to me. The problem was that everyone else talked exactly the same way he did, which - especially when compared to the more naturalistic dialogue and delivery on TOS, DS9, and even VOY to an extent (technobabble aside), really stuck out like a sore thumb.phx1138 said:I have to say, I've never been impressed with him. (How much of that was based on bad writing causing me to want to push him out an airlock at the earliest opportunity, IDK.
vultan already explained that they didn't want him to reprise the role of Hugh, because the character is a teenager (Wesley flashbacks).phx1138 said:Or was Jonathon Del Arco unavailable?
You like Bruce freaking Vilanch?!phx1138 said:Except for "The Sixth Sense", which I liked, I agree with that. (I won't be sorry TTL never knows who Haley Joel Osment is, tho I will be sorry Bruce Vilanch can't do his "I see dead people" on "Squares".
I have no words... just, no words at all Yeah, how about you ask him that on my thread, buddy?phx1138 said:
Thank you, vultan. You are a gentleman and a scholar...why didn't you ask me this on the thread I posted it on?
You mean my "TWR" threadBecause I couldn't find the original quote...
Are you out to get me today, or what? And don't you forget itOf course it is...
Looking forward to the next update, vultan! I hope it's ready tonight, but if it isn't, I will wait patiently
Just dropping by with my opinion on a few things.
I agree with avoiding the Carter/O'Neill shipping, and if Shanks wants to quit his character can stay dead, however I disagree with you on the ascended storyline and I don't it's that stupid to have Atlantis be on another planet. As for the Ori Arc, I hated that too, but I see no reason why the show could not continue forward after the Goa'uld arc reaches its end. Personally, I would have loved to have seen the SGC go up against some regular humans with advanced technology for a change. With religion being a central theme of the show during its entire run, why not just have them go up against some real fanatical true believers who require no proof at all for them to believe. Sort of like the Ori followers, but technologically advanced and without the Ori.
As for Vala, I found her pretty entertaining, but she would be better utilized in a few guest appearances here and there, or why not just have her go through something truly traumatic which dramatically tones the character down to believable levels.
Also, try and avoid having Joseph Mallozzi, Paul Mullie, and Martin Gero involved with the Stargate franchise ITTL. Mallozzi & Mullie did some real excellent episodes in their early days (Window of Opportunity comes to mind), but towards the last few seasons the quality really started to drop. Granted Mullie by himself is a pretty good writer most of the time, but Mallozzi is his writing partner, so you can't have one without the other. As for Gero, he does pretty good work with action oriented episodes, but he can under no circumstance whatsoever be let near the characters of McKay and Keller. He's the one largely responsible for McKeller, as well as the overuse of McKay in the last few seasons of SGA.
Though with all the changes made to the Stargate franchise and film/tv in general made ITTL, I doubt the Stargate tv show (if there will ever be one) will be very similar to the one we got IOTL.
Most of the movies you mentioned were pretty damn awful, but these ones aren't too bad. Spaceballs, Galaxy Quest, and Mars Attacks! are three pretty entertaining sci-fi parodies/satires, and there's no big reason why they shoudl be prevented from being released ITTL (I believe Spaceballs had already come out by this time ITTL anway). As for Deep Impact, it has a good premise, and with some better writing, acting, and storylines, it could be a pretty good movie, instead of the average one it was IOTL. And Ace Ventura is one of the few movies of Jim Carrey's career which is actually funny. Why rob a man of such a thing?
Only the "SG-1" stuff comes immediately to mind.
Predicated on "SG-1" even happening: avoid the Carter-O'Neill romance. It's silly. (If you can change Jackson so he's less a weenie, you'll also butterfly Shanks quitting & coming back; otherwise, leave him dead. He's not Dr. Doom.
I agree with avoiding the Carter/O'Neill shipping, and if Shanks wants to quit his character can stay dead, however I disagree with you on the ascended storyline and I don't it's that stupid to have Atlantis be on another planet. As for the Ori Arc, I hated that too, but I see no reason why the show could not continue forward after the Goa'uld arc reaches its end. Personally, I would have loved to have seen the SGC go up against some regular humans with advanced technology for a change. With religion being a central theme of the show during its entire run, why not just have them go up against some real fanatical true believers who require no proof at all for them to believe. Sort of like the Ori followers, but technologically advanced and without the Ori.
As for Vala, I found her pretty entertaining, but she would be better utilized in a few guest appearances here and there, or why not just have her go through something truly traumatic which dramatically tones the character down to believable levels.
Also, try and avoid having Joseph Mallozzi, Paul Mullie, and Martin Gero involved with the Stargate franchise ITTL. Mallozzi & Mullie did some real excellent episodes in their early days (Window of Opportunity comes to mind), but towards the last few seasons the quality really started to drop. Granted Mullie by himself is a pretty good writer most of the time, but Mallozzi is his writing partner, so you can't have one without the other. As for Gero, he does pretty good work with action oriented episodes, but he can under no circumstance whatsoever be let near the characters of McKay and Keller. He's the one largely responsible for McKeller, as well as the overuse of McKay in the last few seasons of SGA.
Though with all the changes made to the Stargate franchise and film/tv in general made ITTL, I doubt the Stargate tv show (if there will ever be one) will be very similar to the one we got IOTL.
Most of the movies you mentioned were pretty damn awful, but these ones aren't too bad. Spaceballs, Galaxy Quest, and Mars Attacks! are three pretty entertaining sci-fi parodies/satires, and there's no big reason why they shoudl be prevented from being released ITTL (I believe Spaceballs had already come out by this time ITTL anway). As for Deep Impact, it has a good premise, and with some better writing, acting, and storylines, it could be a pretty good movie, instead of the average one it was IOTL. And Ace Ventura is one of the few movies of Jim Carrey's career which is actually funny. Why rob a man of such a thing?
Why thank you. What polite, prompt service.Brainbin said:Welcome to the party! Would you like some light refreshments?
How did you know?Brainbin said:
We had to read Shakespeare school, & I hated it.That might throw off a few people. Tho Dave's Rorschach was clean-shaven...Brainbin said:
I wouldn't be surprised if you did.Brainbin said:vultan never really went into fan reaction to the casting except for after-the-fact, but I'm willing to say that I called it
TBH, I never noticed the woodenness, nor the sameness (or don't recall it). My biggest problem with Data was the characterization: able to deal with natural language, rather than limited "input usage", & with (IIRC) 26yr among humans, but still doesn't recognize common idioms.Brainbin said:
(Leave off why idiom common in the 20th Century are still common in the 24h...) It was as if they wanted a Vulcan, but didn't think the fans would accept anybody not Spock.Posted before I came to that...Brainbin said:
You should know by know, my tastes are idiosyncratic.Brainbin said:You like Bruce freaking Vilanch?!
You may consider it asked. If you prefer, I will repeat it there.Brainbin said:Yeah, how about you ask him that on my thread, buddy?
Yes?Brainbin said:You mean my "TWR" thread
It's not the storyline per se, it's the "evolution into energy" that irritates me. It's nonsense. Humans aren't evolving physically any more. We don't have to. Once we gained the ability to manipulate our environment (tools, clothes, fire, buildings, air conditioning), we lost the need to evolve physically. It's a common meme; Gene relied on it for "ST", & it was nonsense then, too.EvilSpaceAlien said:
The city, no. A city built by (effectively) humans who evolved separately from us, contrary to the fossil record, nonsense; one built by them & named for a (putatively) real place, ridiculous. Now, if *Atlantis had been an *Ancient city (built by benevolent aliens per the Asgard) & it had left after (or causedEvilSpaceAlien said:
) the Thera eruption, & had been located in the historical location, I'd have no problem, because that fits the fossil & historical record, & the theme of the show: aliens hiding out in our myths. (That sounds so like McCarthy, it's a bit frightening.)My objection to it was the implication of "real god" in opposition to the Ori. With the Goa'uld, it was clear they were parasites & usurpers; with the Ori, it began to sound like proselytizing for Christianity. IDK if that was intended, but it did wear on me.EvilSpaceAlien said:
TBH, I never got that sense until the Ori arrived. It seemed to me more a case of opposing slavery & deceit.EvilSpaceAlien said:
I wouldn't have objected if the show went on, or if the threat had been Wraith or Replicators or something else. I just found Mitchell much less engaging, tho he was written much the same as O'Neill, & I think that's Browder being less likable than Anderson (for me, anyhow). If he hadn't already been committed, I'd have preferred Flanigan. Or they could've done something radical & cast a black actor.EvilSpaceAlien said:
Ending after the Goa'uld just would've been an ideal place to stop, rather than let the show sink in quality. Think of the ending of "NYPD Blue": a perfect close, yet it left open the prospect of a TV movie if anybody wanted to do one.I could live with either one. The angle they didn't use enough is the one I'd have gone to, I think: her connections & talents. They need a naquadah bomb to power a Gate, she can steal it. She can identify the bounty hunters before they notice the team. She can find them a ship, or whatever MacGuffin they need. At need, she can kick ass. She doesn't have to be so flaky.EvilSpaceAlien said:
I'll leave off comment on the writers in specific; I haven't connected enough of them to episodes I did or didn't like.
That is extremely likely.EvilSpaceAlien said:
Allowing for differences in tastes, you may be right. I saw "Mars Attacks!" & hated it. I've seen bits of "Spaceballs" & "Galaxy Quest", & found them stupid & unfunny.EvilSpaceAlien said:
If it was more in the vein of Lucifer's Hammer, I might agree. By the time we spot an asteroid or comet capable of extinguishing live on Earth, the chances of stopping it are near zero. Hollywood seems unwilling to grapple with that. "2012" is the only film I've seen to come close.EvilSpaceAlien said:
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I presume you didn't like "The Mask" at all, then?BTW, vultan, of all my suggested changes above: feel free to ignore anything you didn't plan to do anyhow...
They are, as always for my suggestions, food for thought. It's always your call. You've got to be able to live with it.
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It's not the storyline per se, it's the "evolution into energy" that irritates me. It's nonsense. Humans aren't evolving physically any more. We don't have to. Once we gained the ability to manipulate our environment (tools, clothes, fire, buildings, air conditioning), we lost the need to evolve physically. It's a common meme; Gene relied on it for "ST", & it was nonsense then, too.
The city, no. A city built by (effectively) humans who evolved separately from us, contrary to the fossil record, nonsense; one built by them & named for a (putatively) real place, ridiculous. Now, if *Atlantis had been an *Ancient city (built by benevolent aliens per the Asgard) & it had left after (or caused
Fair enough.
It did get that sense with the Ori during the first few episodes of season nine as well, but TBH, not so much in the second half or during season 10.
Really? For me religion always seemed to be a central theme of the show, but I guess to each their own.
I wouldn't have objected if the show went on, or if the threat had been Wraith or Replicators or something else. I just found Mitchell much less engaging, tho he was written much the same as O'Neill, & I think that's Browder being less likable than Anderson (for me, anyhow). If he hadn't already been committed, I'd have preferred Flanigan. Or they could've done something radical & cast a black actor.
Yeah I wasn't much of a fan of Browder either. I think that when RDA left after S8 they should've brought back Colonel Dave Dixon (Adam Baldwin's character from the Heroes two parter). The character was different enough from O'Neill that he wouldn't be seen as a copy, but he still had a sense of humor. Granted it was pretty different from O'Neills (more deadpan and cynical), but with a toned down Vala being there as well, things could've worked out well.
Well personally I enjoyed all those movies for what they were. Mars Attacks! was a pretty damn good silly satire of classic 1950s sci fi movies, and Spacballs and Galaxy Quest had some excellent scenes in which they poked fun of popular sci-fi shows/movies, and filmmaking in general.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEdWTk1l9o
Yeah but Deep Impact was still far more realistic than 2012. It had far more realistic characters as well. If they actually had the entire comet impact the Earth, then it would've been a better movie.
I absolutely loved The Mask. But I still count Ace Ventura, as well as The Mask, as one of Carrey's few funny movies, so it'd be a shame to see it gone.
I found it so right through. I can't say if it changed; I didn't notice.EvilSpaceAlien said:
True. I imagine that's also driven by our own experience: I've been pretty hostile to religion a very long time.EvilSpaceAlien said:
I don't dislike him as an actor, just in this role. I can't say I've seen him in anything I've especially liked, but I could picture it. A slightly different Jack Bauer, say.EvilSpaceAlien said:
I don't remember him well enough. I'll have to watch for him in the repeats.EvilSpaceAlien said:
We're back to "different strokes" again, & on this, I doubt we'd ever agree.EvilSpaceAlien said:
Oh, I'm not defending "2012" as a movie; it was awful.EvilSpaceAlien said:
It just took a more credible approach to the issue. Then copped out at the end... IMO, there's a couple of credible ways to do it: "Andromeda Strain", where there's a bug on Earth that infects the aliens (yeah, I think it's a looong shot their biology'd be vulnerable), or "The Puppet Masters", where there's a concerted effort & the aliens need human hosts (which comes back to why they would, with incompatible biology, not to mention the whole gravity well problem). Anything else set remotely contemporary, we're doomed.Huh. I hated "Ace Ventura". And I'm not exactly his #1 fan, either...which may explain why.EvilSpaceAlien said:
With that I entirely agree. "Syriana" was good, & "Michael Clayton" is a great role for him. He was desperately miscast as Bats, tho. Clooney would never wear that ridiculous suit.TheInfiniteApe said:
He'd hire somebody. (He might even hire Michael Keaton. Or Jackie Earle Haley.) He was the best Bruce Wayne, without question--but Bruce is the mask, just like Clark is: it's Bats that's the real guy. Keaton made a credible Bats, but is too much a loony lightweight as Bruce. And I'm apparently a minority who thinks Bale is the only one to make both credible. (Having seen "Sherlock Holmes", I wonder about Robert Downey, Jr. And as I think of it, Ben Browder, who has the crazy streak.)No, because he has the qualities Bruce should have: there's a suave, a self-possession, yes, maybe a smugness (but he's supposed to be the playboy, so...). He has none of the qualities Bats should have.Brainbin said:
TYVM.thekingsguard said:What is the fate of Brandon Leevultan said:
Which raises an obvious question: what happens to his career? A string of mediocre action films, per Seagal? Or a chance to be a "serious" actor?Spoiler alert: it was.
Might've been better if it'd been Godzilla. (Adrian did claim to be "smartest man in the world", not "most original".)With that, I will also 100% agree. As I also said to Brainbin on "TWR", my attitude is, get all the advice you can, & if you don't agree with it, ignore it: it's going to have your name on it, & if you're not happy, it shouldn't go in.Brainbin said:vultan, this is your timeline, and you should do things the way you want them done. Thanks for giving all of us the opportunity to make some suggestions, but I'll definitely continue to read along no matter how many of them are followed
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Been reading and loving this, 'specially the Watchmen bits, 'cause I iz a geek. Can't wait for more!
So, I figured that I had some explaining to do, due to the fact that the promised update has not happened.
First and foremost, school has been more of an issue than I thought it would be.
Secondly, I had a VERY rough draft for the update when I posted it, but the more and more I worked through it, the more I was unsatisfied with it. Essentially, I've decided to go back to square one.
Thirdly, unlike some more focused authors on this board, I find it hard to stay on one project very long. I'll inevitably want to work on something else, be it related to this site or not. I must have over a dozen Word Documents built up over the past year of works I've started on and ultimately abandoned, or finished because they were short, or whatever.
Don't fret, though, I am dedicated to finishing this timeline! This has not been the first longish hiatus, and it will not be the last. By the end of the month, I will try have something up. But I do not want to give my readers something unsatisfactory: it shall be a very meaty, well thought-out update. I don't want to be constantly posting but have the material be subpar.
Again, sorry for posting that without delivering.
First and foremost, school has been more of an issue than I thought it would be.
Secondly, I had a VERY rough draft for the update when I posted it, but the more and more I worked through it, the more I was unsatisfied with it. Essentially, I've decided to go back to square one.
Thirdly, unlike some more focused authors on this board, I find it hard to stay on one project very long. I'll inevitably want to work on something else, be it related to this site or not. I must have over a dozen Word Documents built up over the past year of works I've started on and ultimately abandoned, or finished because they were short, or whatever.
Don't fret, though, I am dedicated to finishing this timeline! This has not been the first longish hiatus, and it will not be the last. By the end of the month, I will try have something up. But I do not want to give my readers something unsatisfactory: it shall be a very meaty, well thought-out update. I don't want to be constantly posting but have the material be subpar.
Again, sorry for posting that without delivering.
There's 3 or 4 I'd like: A more faithful telling of the "Phoenix Saga" from Xmen, minus the origin story. Longbow Hunters. A Sable story, but not an origin. (I hate origin stories.vultan said:
) Scout, beginning with #8. And, if you can get the right screenwriter(s) & cast, a JLI story.Going a little broader, for which Sable might also apply, you could adapt Maze Agency, too...tho that's more EQ than comics, strictly speaking. Or Ms. Tree. Or one of my faves (& a little past the height of the kung fu craze, I know...
), Iron Fist. (Play into wire fu & Ang Lee?)
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It would be interesting to see if an early success for Watchmen could parlay into adaptations of specific storylines and miniseries and such, rather than the general condense-five-years-or-so-of-history-into-two-hours thing that we often see now. The Dark Knight Returns would be very interesting to explore, given that it was extremely popular, and comparatively new at the time. I'll throw out Moon Knight and Wonder Woman as two characters that deserve their own films as well.
Idea: It's a long shot, but could Art Spiegelman's Maus have been made into an animated (or even primitive CGI) film that could have been played up as something like the anti-Schindler's List?
Superman is another character that could easily have been put to film in the '90s. Development was all over the place for that franchise. Don't forget that this actually happened:
Though thankfully any footage of that unfortunate and thankfully short-lived shoot has yet to surface. They could have gone through with it, and that film's effects on the superhero genre could have been disastrous.
A couple questions -- Is there any chance of a V for Vendetta that isn't mutilated by the Wachowski's? and is it too soon to butterfly away Batman and Robin?
(Or, at least have Joel Schumacher unfortunately caught in the middle of a race riot?)
Idea: It's a long shot, but could Art Spiegelman's Maus have been made into an animated (or even primitive CGI) film that could have been played up as something like the anti-Schindler's List?
Superman is another character that could easily have been put to film in the '90s. Development was all over the place for that franchise. Don't forget that this actually happened:
Though thankfully any footage of that unfortunate and thankfully short-lived shoot has yet to surface. They could have gone through with it, and that film's effects on the superhero genre could have been disastrous.
A couple questions -- Is there any chance of a V for Vendetta that isn't mutilated by the Wachowski's? and is it too soon to butterfly away Batman and Robin?
(Or, at least have Joel Schumacher unfortunately caught in the middle of a race riot?)
I hate to be the first to tell you.
Somebody had to be. Just your unlucky day.TBH, tho, it's not as bad as it could be. I've imagined a Canadian production starring Duncan Regehr, Jennifer Dale, Al Waxman, & Paul Soles.
(IDK why I keep getting format errors when I string the smileys together...
)Also, I want to put his link up, Boxofficemojo, so I won't forget. It's a very incomplete list of movie box office receipts.
Even so, I imagine it will still make you laugh: a film earning $970 in total receipts.
One earning $113 for all of 1981 (tho, to be fair, it was an Ed Wood production). And some surprises: "Lady Jane" (Helena Bonham-Carter) made only $277000.It also reveals my favorite name for a film ever: "Skank Robbers".
Enjoy.
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