The Post-WWI Peace Settlement if Hughes Wins in 1916

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At the time of her refusing the terms of VT would Germany be able to get a worthwhile army to the 1918 front line before it got pushed east as fast as the west could march?

Well Germany had a worthwhile Army as they were in the process of surrendering and disarming, so I suppose it would be those soldiers.

It comes down to when the Allied ATL harsher terms are announced. If the WAllies make public immediately that they intend to carve up Prussia/occupy the Ruhr/all the other things suggested then I imagine disarmament and troops returning home would cease concurrently with the announcement. If, however, the harsh terms come out at the end of negotiations after the majority of troops have laid down their arms and gone home then it's far more problematic for the Germans to resist.

IIRC disarmament of the German troops didn't begin OTL on 11/11/18 as it was an Armistice.
 
Well Germany had a worthwhile Army as they were in the process of surrendering and disarming, so I suppose it would be those soldiers.

It comes down to when the Allied ATL harsher terms are announced. If the WAllies make public immediately that they intend to carve up Prussia/occupy the Ruhr/all the other things suggested then I imagine disarmament and troops returning home would cease concurrently with the announcement. If, however, the harsh terms come out at the end of negotiations after the majority of troops have laid down their arms and gone home then it's far more problematic for the Germans to resist.

IIRC disarmament of the German troops didn't begin OTL on 11/11/18 as it was an Armistice.
But,

1- The terms would not come out until they are agreed between Fr/GB/US(+lesser others) so OTL VT time.

2- The German Gov/Army/Navy has already started to collapse.

3- An armistice with (very unequal) conditions....
  • Termination of military hostilities on land or in air within six hours of signature.
  • Immediate removal of all German troops from France, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Alsace-Lorraine within 14 days
  • Subsequent removal of all German troops from territory on the west side of the Rhine plus 30 km (19 mi) radius bridgeheads of the right side of the Rhine at the cities of Mainz, Koblenz, and Cologne with ensuing occupation by Allied and US troops.
  • Removal of all German troops on the eastern front—Turkey, Austro-Hungaria and Romania—to German territory as it was on 1 August 1914. Troops on Russian territory to be removed once the Allies "deem the time right".
  • Renunciation of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk with Russia and of the Treaty of Bucharest with Romania.
  • Internment of the German fleet (High Seas Fleet).
  • Surrender of all German submarines
  • Surrender of materiel: 5,000 cannons, 25,000 machine guns, 3,000 minenwerfers, 1,700 airplanes, 5,000 locomotive engines, and 150,000 railcars.
  • Immediate release of all French, British and Italian prisoners of war (the German POWs would be released only after a peace treaty)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_of_11_November_1918#German_Revolution
 
Well Germany had a worthwhile Army as they were in the process of surrendering and disarming, so I suppose it would be those soldiers.

It comes down to when the Allied ATL harsher terms are announced. If the WAllies make public immediately that they intend to carve up Prussia/occupy the Ruhr/all the other things suggested then I imagine disarmament and troops returning home would cease concurrently with the announcement. If, however, the harsh terms come out at the end of negotiations after the majority of troops have laid down their arms and gone home then it's far more problematic for the Germans to resist.

IIRC disarmament of the German troops didn't begin OTL on 11/11/18 as it was an Armistice.


IIRC (mainly from Richard M Watt The Kings Depart) the German Army withdrew behind the Rhine in good order, but pretty much dissolved into a mutinous mob once safe from capture by the Entente.
 
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