The Polish Soviet Socialist Republic

Okay, one interesting thing about the original Molotov Ribbentrop Pact is that it gave substantially more of Poland to the USSR, as seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg

This would have given the USSR far more ethnic Poles than it received historically, and IMO a Polish Soviet Socialist Republic probably ensues.

<Insert Barbarossa and the march on Berlin here>

Okay, this doesn't matter at first; but in 1945, it's clear to the West that Poland isn't going to be reborn.

Does East Germany keep Silesia, then? Or does it get directly incorporated into the USSR as well?

What about the effects on the cold war?
 
Probably a Polish ASSR, to begin with... later on, it would become an SSR...

Stalin would probably insist that the Polish SSR have a seat in the UN, like the Ukrainian and Byelorussian SSRs had...
 

Thande

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Well, this'll bring any PoleTrolls left on the board out of the woodwork :rolleyes:

Interesting WI actually. I suspect the resulting SSR would have a similar career path to that of the Moldavian SSR (ie Moldova) in OTL - after 1945 the rump Poland left would get German lands as per OTL and would not be reunified with the SSR. Then after the fall off the USSR, assuming no butterflies, the Polish SSR would become independent (under what name?) and, like Romania and Moldova, would not reunify (or at least not immediately).

I'm guessing the Polish SSR will have a lower standard of living in 1991 to Poland proper.
 
Then you have the matter of East Prussia after the war, does it get split between the USSR and whatever state you get in the former Nazi-occupied Poland, or totally incorporated into the USSR? If it does, does it become part of the Lithuanian SSR, Polish SSR, Russian SFSR or a separate ASSR?
 

Thande

Donor
Then you have the matter of East Prussia after the war, does it get split between the USSR and whatever state you get in the former Nazi-occupied Poland, or totally incorporated into the USSR? If it does, does it become part of the Lithuanian SSR, Polish SSR, Russian SFSR or a separate ASSR?

I'd guess it's totally incorporated into the USSR, except perhaps Memel.
 
Well, this'll bring any PoleTrolls left on the board out of the woodwork :rolleyes:

Interesting WI actually. I suspect the resulting SSR would have a similar career path to that of the Moldavian SSR (ie Moldova) in OTL - after 1945 the rump Poland left would get German lands as per OTL and would not be reunified with the SSR. Then after the fall off the USSR, assuming no butterflies, the Polish SSR would become independent (under what name?) and, like Romania and Moldova, would not reunify (or at least not immediately).

How about Masovia?
 
I don't exactly understand all that talking about reunification of Polish ASSR with...what? In 1945 USSR controlled practically all Eastern Europe and Stalin could do whatever he wanted. He would have simply enlarged Polish ASSR, adding to it the lands not occupied in 1939, claiming that ALL Polish people wanted to join happy Soviet family of nations. Or, he might have waited a year or two to consolidate his control, then fake a plebiscite and declare Poland an ASSR. Of course West would have been furious, but Stalin didn't give a damn about it.
IOTL Stalin realized that Poles hated an idea of loosing their independence, and keeping them subdued would have been hard and expensive, especially since Poles wouldn't have been the only ones to rebel. Stalin was sceptical about Poles being good communist: he allegedly said that "communism fits Poles like a saddle fits a cow" (soory, if it is badly translated - it sounds better in Polish). Therefore, he decided to make Poland (Czechoslovakia, etc.) satelite states. Poles had at least formally their own country, their national symbols, their own goverment, and for short time communist actually had a substantial popular support.
Paradoxally, in Polish ASSR communists would have been in much worse situation - a rift between them and the rest of the nation would have been much bigger. Actions against opposition and Catholic Church would have been much more brutal, but it would have made Poles only more rebellious. The USSR might have fallen apart earlier.
 
If there HAD been a Polish SSR would there still have been a Belarussian one ? Or would Belarus as we know it have ended up divided between Poland SSR and the Russian Federation ?

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Grey Wolf
 
If there HAD been a Polish SSR would there still have been a Belarussian one ? Or would Belarus as we know it have ended up divided between Poland SSR and the Russian Federation ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

There was already a Byelorussian SSR at the time.

I'd think that the bits with a majority Belorussian and Ukrainian population would go to the relevent SSR (which is what happened in OTL with the Russian section of the partition). The majority Polish bits would become the Polish (A)SSR.
 
Okay, one interesting thing about the original Molotov Ribbentrop Pact is that it gave substantially more of Poland to the USSR, as seen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg

This would have given the USSR far more ethnic Poles than it received historically, and IMO a Polish Soviet Socialist Republic probably ensues.
I don't think Stalin was dreaming about having Poles as part of his empire. Not after Poland rebelling against Russian authority in 1812, 1830, 1863 and (for all intents and purposes) 1918-1920. He needed it to be under Soviet sphere of influence, and that's exactly what he got in 1945. With original partition line being implemented, I could see ASSR in 1939-1941, but it will be returned to the "United Poland" in 1945. After all, Stalin didn't keep Western Podlachia after WWII.
 
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