The Phony War goes very bad

Is TTL UK going to be annexed by the US?

Except for South and Central America, Oceania doesn't seem to be such a far-off scenario in this case.
 
How do you know that, the Axis can now outproduce and outfight the USA, at best it would be a stand off between the two seas.

It is very simple, for the same reason China wouldn´t invade today if it was made suddenly possible by the grace of the Almighty ASBs, there is nothing there that they would want. :)
 
It is very simple, for the same reason China wouldn´t invade today if it was made suddenly possible by the grace of the Almighty ASBs, there is nothing there that they would want. :)

Well eliminating the only challenge to their world domination?

It's very unlikely that the Axis can conventionally conquer Britain with the US in the fight now, not without utter air domination and years spent building up their navies. Invasion of Japan is a bit more likely but those two factors remain. Of course both could be removed by successful blockade and bombing campaigns beforehand, not to mention the dismantlement of their Afrasian empires.

Invasion of the US is impossible, outside of a large nuclear attack beforehand.
 
Freer societies tend to have better technology as they are much better at allowing people to reach their full potential, develop technologies, etc, so even though the Greater Axis has much larger resources and populations, that will give them the advantage only in the short term.

Read Elizabeth Chua's "Day of Empire" and consider that, thanks to the Nazis, the U.S. got the Jewish nuclear scientists and thus the atomic bomb while the Nazis kept going down dead ends. The only way it could be more ironic is if the war in Europe lasted longer and Nuremberg or Munich got nuked.

"Oceania" may continue to develop where Eurasia eventually stagnates under a gigantic totalitarian "dead hand."
 
Freer societies tend to have better technology as they are much better at allowing people to reach their full potential, develop technologies, etc, so even though the Greater Axis has much larger resources and populations, that will give them the advantage only in the short term.

For civillian use perhaps, and maybe that's the winner at the end of the day. But in military terms authoritarian regimes are just as capable in fact possibly even more so as they're generally focused on repression and 'hard' power, whose greatest institution is of course the military.

Read Elizabeth Chua's "Day of Empire" and consider that, thanks to the Nazis, the U.S. got the Jewish nuclear scientists and thus the atomic bomb while the Nazis kept going down dead ends. The only way it could be more ironic is if the war in Europe lasted longer and Nuremberg or Munich got nuked.

I'd wager that the funds, resources and excellent organisational skills the Americans could and chose to access outweighed the benefits of European refugees. Not that they weren't important but give Kurt Diebner's team a centralised, well funded A-bomb production project and Oppenheimer's team a poorly funded, bureaucratic nightmare (or any other of the several German projects or think tanks or debating societies that where going on at the time) and see who gets the bomb first.

The Soviet Union is an excellent example of a totalitarian state that managed to get the bomb thanks to it's own home grown talent when the project was well funded and well organised, except they, unlike the Americans had to undergo four years of the worst conflict in human history beforehand.

"Oceania" may continue to develop where Eurasia eventually stagnates under a gigantic totalitarian "dead hand."

It's something of a gamble, either Oceania can't properly advance without essentially finlandising itself to Eurasia, a nation that essentially degenerates into poverty or instability through it's isolation, or a technological powerhouse which leaves the silly deadlock of earth to expand through the solar system and then on, leaving Eurasia plodding along.
 
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This looks like a pre-history for 1984. Russia is Eastasia, Germany/Italy is whatever it's called, and the New World is Oceania (though apparently successfully retaining the UK)

This map represents the division of the Old World in spheres of influence as devised by the Tripartite Pact. Of course, it does not mean that the Axis necessarily means or expects to be able to annex or conquest or control all of that, in 1940. Rather, it indicates how they plan to divide their various conquests when and if they occur. Adjustments are possible if the actual peace settlement would otherwise unbalance the division (e.g. if Russia does not get China, it nets India as a consolation prize). The New World, Pacific, and Oceania are seen as America's turf.

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Actually Stalin would be rather warry to annexe the whole of Iran, Turkey, Afghanistan and the biggest muslime region of India. Unless he is planning a massive population reduction in those regions.



Also, he didn´t annexe Manchuria, not even Mongaolia IOTL, so China is likely to stay appart from the Soviet-Union.
 
Also, he didn´t annexe Manchuria, not even Mongaolia IOTL, so China is likely to stay appart from the Soviet-Union.

Well annexing Manchuria would have screwed over Mao, and Monglolia was essentially a part of the Soviet Union anyway, it wasn't worth the effort.
 
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