By riding on top of it...
Don't forget, tidal waves only get really big close to land...
The Peshawar Lancers Reboot Thread
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By riding on top of it...
Don't forget, tidal waves only get really big close to land...
More towards the US side, as far as I know...
Thande did a map of it somewhere...
Some Ideas:
*The Dutch were fighting a war against against the Sultanate of Atceh during OTL 1870, so while there was a large military presence in Indonesia, the sheer distance and the unsafe situation in Indonesia would make Dutch Suriname and the Dutch Antilles a better choice to evacuate to. A Dutch Caribbean/ or South American kingdom perhaps?
Indonesia would propably fragment into many different states kingdoms, some supported by the Britsh Raj, others by Dai-Nippon.
*The Austro Germans would propably end up in the Balkan, Greece or perhaps Cyprus or Crete, either way, the Austro-Germans would have to fight to survive..
*I'm for keeping the Cannibal Russians in some shape or form. How about making the majority of the Russians in the Russian empire orthodox, with the Russian elite secretly worshipping Chernobog.
* A surviving US as a state in Mexico or as City-states...
*The Dutch were fighting a war against against the Sultanate of Atceh during OTL 1870, so while there was a large military presence in Indonesia, the sheer distance and the unsafe situation in Indonesia would make Dutch Suriname and the Dutch Antilles a better choice to evacuate to. A Dutch Caribbean/ or South American kingdom perhaps?
Indonesia would propably fragment into many different states kingdoms, some supported by the Britsh Raj, others by Dai-Nippon.
*The Austro Germans would propably end up in the Balkan, Greece or perhaps Cyprus or Crete, either way, the Austro-Germans would have to fight to survive..
*I'm for keeping the Cannibal Russians in some shape or form. How about making the majority of the Russians in the Russian empire orthodox, with the Russian elite secretly worshipping Chernobog.
* A surviving US as a state in Mexico or as City-states...
But the guianas would be devestated by the tidal wave... it would take some time to rebuild, but I guess it might work...
Another possibility is to evacuate to the British colonies.
That sounds interesting...
Hmm.
Definitely... They might try to co-opt some of the local leaders, but the Orthodox peoples are going to take some convincing...
I'm not sure that all of the Russian elite would worship Chernobog...
I'm not saying that there would be no Satanists, though... there are probably a few unhinged people in the Russian nobility allong the lines of the infamous Countess Báthory...
Does sound plausible...
I think that some of the south would survive, probably as a base to expand southwards...
I don't see France with so little French territory a century and a half after the nuclear winter ends.
Constantinople
Banned
I say this once and again, the Caliphate does not have any territory in Italy. He said it himself in the long long dies the fire thread. Stop putting that in your maps.
I think that the US would probably claim all of its OTL territory, and occupy as much of it as possible. I think the British might be able to take over Michigan, and perhaps Maine and some other bits of New England. I think the US keeps Pennsylvania/New Jersey, at least, probably as much of everything else as it can take. (This is assuming a more-or-less unified US, at least in the South, with a large population, survives and does fairly well for itself. The British will claim more if the US is well and truly balkanized, or collapsed as in the original Peshawar Lancers).
Why? The British have other priorities in expansion of their territory - the home islands, South/East Asia, Africa, South America, possibly parts of Europe. While the US sees the Northeast as "home territory", is much closer for expansion, and the British are much more likely to find other areas to have more useful natural resources (they may try for Boston or Providence harbor as a coaling port/naval stop). This still would be far from Ameriwank, of course - the British are still going to be "THE" power, with the US being about at the level of, or perhaps a bit beyond, Brazil.
Also, if you are going to go to the trouble of putting a bunch of tiny African states, there are going to be some Indian "states" in the Great Plains, Rocky Mountains, and desert southwest.
France-Outre-Mer probably maintains a bigger colonial network, as well. Given the short distance, they probably evacuate as many of their citizens as Britain does, even given political troubles. You made a good push in this direction already, but I think they will hold a greater portion of Italy and the western Mediterranean, rather than merely claiming it. Possibly the Angolan coast as well? It seems like one unclaimed area.
Oh, and the Russians will likely maintain actual territory in St. Petersburg and Moscow and their environs, for much the same reason the British recolonize the home islands (national pride).
China seems to be a good candidate for balkanization, as well. Sort of like the 20s/30s OTL - Japan occupies a large chunk of the Northeast and coastal lands, a British-aligned regime in the South/Southwest, lots of little warlords, maybe the Satanic Russians are poking their heads into Sinkiang. Probably a real mess.
Why? The British have other priorities in expansion of their territory - the home islands, South/East Asia, Africa, South America, possibly parts of Europe. While the US sees the Northeast as "home territory", is much closer for expansion, and the British are much more likely to find other areas to have more useful natural resources (they may try for Boston or Providence harbor as a coaling port/naval stop). This still would be far from Ameriwank, of course - the British are still going to be "THE" power, with the US being about at the level of, or perhaps a bit beyond, Brazil.
Also, if you are going to go to the trouble of putting a bunch of tiny African states, there are going to be some Indian "states" in the Great Plains, Rocky Mountains, and desert southwest.
France-Outre-Mer probably maintains a bigger colonial network, as well. Given the short distance, they probably evacuate as many of their citizens as Britain does, even given political troubles. You made a good push in this direction already, but I think they will hold a greater portion of Italy and the western Mediterranean, rather than merely claiming it. Possibly the Angolan coast as well? It seems like one unclaimed area.
Oh, and the Russians will likely maintain actual territory in St. Petersburg and Moscow and their environs, for much the same reason the British recolonize the home islands (national pride).
China seems to be a good candidate for balkanization, as well. Sort of like the 20s/30s OTL - Japan occupies a large chunk of the Northeast and coastal lands, a British-aligned regime in the South/Southwest, lots of little warlords, maybe the Satanic Russians are poking their heads into Sinkiang. Probably a real mess.
The problems with Peshawar Lancers that I see are three.
1. The Mediterranean is unaffected by impacts. Everybody on the islands is going to keep paying taxes, which means a government, which means that civilization survives. Keep in mind that during the volcano winter of 535 to 540 that the Byzantines were the only agricultural based nation to maintain continuity. They lost their mainland empires to pastoralist attack, but not the islands.
2. In 1860 to 1880, the US is a pastoral culture. We pastured cows, sheep, and even pigs in the forests. The corn and wheat crops were going to have problems, but the grass still grows and the acorns and chestnuts were still the dominant trees in America. We will go hungry, but we will not die. To have America starve to death requires that the death rates must be not only higher, but much higher, in the rest of the world. Like Europe, India, Arabia, China, Japan, etc. Brazil, Argentina, and Australia are also pastoralist societies. Even Russia has a substantial pastoral component in the steppes of the south. Cows and sheep can move with people migrating. So can horses and camels.
3. Storms at sea should be very intense due to greater thermal differences. There might not be hurricanes though. Big waves are long wavelength, but not the steep waves and intense wind variations that kill ships. Would this make shipping more efficient? Intense winds could shorten the three to four month to Australia and three to four month back rule of thumb.
1. The Mediterranean is unaffected by impacts. Everybody on the islands is going to keep paying taxes, which means a government, which means that civilization survives. Keep in mind that during the volcano winter of 535 to 540 that the Byzantines were the only agricultural based nation to maintain continuity. They lost their mainland empires to pastoralist attack, but not the islands.
2. In 1860 to 1880, the US is a pastoral culture. We pastured cows, sheep, and even pigs in the forests. The corn and wheat crops were going to have problems, but the grass still grows and the acorns and chestnuts were still the dominant trees in America. We will go hungry, but we will not die. To have America starve to death requires that the death rates must be not only higher, but much higher, in the rest of the world. Like Europe, India, Arabia, China, Japan, etc. Brazil, Argentina, and Australia are also pastoralist societies. Even Russia has a substantial pastoral component in the steppes of the south. Cows and sheep can move with people migrating. So can horses and camels.
3. Storms at sea should be very intense due to greater thermal differences. There might not be hurricanes though. Big waves are long wavelength, but not the steep waves and intense wind variations that kill ships. Would this make shipping more efficient? Intense winds could shorten the three to four month to Australia and three to four month back rule of thumb.
Off the continental shelf, that probably means about 4 inches high. It is shallow water that builds the wave.
Wasn't there supposed to be an impact in the north Adriatic?
(It was on Thande's map, anyway.)Of course, it wouldn't do anything more than kill lots of people and flood a large area... But that's still bad...
EDIT: Anyway, I wander how badly Venezuela (and the rest of the states on the Mexican Gulf) would be affected by the tidal wave...
Thande
Donor
Wasn't there supposed to be an impact in the north Adriatic?
I believe that is mentioned in the index as resulting in the destruction of Constantinople (hence the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of the Caliphate of Damascus).
Constantinople?
It the map you made (can't remember where it was just now) you put an impact near Venice...
Here is a copy of it...
Thande
Donor
Constantinople?
It the map you made (can't remember where it was just now) you put an impact near Venice...
Here is a copy of it...
I mean it hit in the Aegean and the effects took out Constantinople.
Don't trust that map I made, I did it from memory and I can see now there are several mistakes on it.
Fair enough...
Can anyone who can find their copy of PL please post known impact locations...
From Appendix One:
First impact close to southern edge of Moscow - 300 MT range
A band of further impacts of 100 to 300 MTswept across Europe, The last striking 30 miles west and slightly south of Paris. Strikes were recorded as far north as the Baltic, and the southernmost fell at the head of the Adriatic; that was, however, the only impact south of the Alps.
The next impact was the largest of all, apparently in the western Atlantic, and the body may have been up to a kilometer in diameter.
Further large fragments fell all across North America, in a rather wider band than in Europe and as far west as the Rocky Mountains.
Hours to days later, tsunamis struck the coasts of countries all around the North Atlantic Basin. These were most severe along the Atlantic coat of North America, with wave fronts reaching as far inland as the Appalachians in some places. In Europe, Ireland, coastal Scandanavia, and much of the Atlantic coast of France and Spain were wrecked, with loss of life in the tens of millions. The "shadow"of Ireland protected much of western England, and the British Isles as awhole had a similar effect on northern France, Belgium, and the Netherlands.
From Chapter one:
Fire rising in pillars from where the hammer of the skies had fallen all across Europe, so high that the tops flattened against the upper edge of the atmosphere itself. Walls of water striking the Atlantic coast of Ireland and scouring far inland, wreckage all along the western shores of England, where the other island didn't shelter it; far worse in most of maritime Europe. Reports of unbelievably worse damage on the American side of the Atlantic. Chaos and panic spreading like a malignant tide from the Channel deep into Russia as the governments shattered under the strain.
. . . Gladstone was dead in the sodden frozen ruins of Liverpool . . .
This isn't a tidal wave. It's a really big splash.By riding on top of it...
Don't forget, tidal waves only get really big close to land...