The Peshawar Lancers Reboot Thread

[Shadow Knight]

The TL I'm working on has most of those things...

I'll post a map once I've finished editing it...

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Anyway, how much of Portugal would survive? It is fairly mountainous, after all...

Of course it still gets pwned...

Would Brazil claim Portugal's empire?

The more I think on Spain the more I think they'd have survived relatively intact. The mountainous NW is where the brunt would have fallen and it is the least populated. The southern Atlantic coast should have been shielded from most of the tidal wave.

I think Spain would be less of vassal and more of an ally to France. As for Portugal I think it is screwed. Too much coastline and too many rivers for those tidal waves to ride up (which is where all the population lives anyway -along the coast and the rivers). Those that did survive probably fled towards Spain.

I'm still trying to figure out how Britain had such a large fleet remaining after the tidal wave. Wouldn't it have trashed the channel ports and those in the Irish Sea?

 

[Thande]

The more I think on Spain the more I think they'd have survived relatively intact. The mountainous NW is where the brunt would have fallen and it is the least populated. The southern Atlantic coast should have been shielded from most of the tidal wave.

I think Spain would be less of vassal and more of an ally to France. As for Portugal I think it is screwed. Too much coastline and too many rivers for those tidal waves to ride up (which is where all the population lives anyway -along the coast and the rivers). Those that did survive probably fled towards Spain.

I'm still trying to figure out how Britain had such a large fleet remaining after the tidal wave. Wouldn't it have trashed the channel ports and those in the Irish Sea?

It would probably have taken out Portsmouth, but not necessarily Chatham, and Ireland might have shielded Liverpool from damage.

 

[Sovereign12]

I hope everyone is keeping in mind the little ice age that results from the meteor strikes. The tidal waves will do allot of damage quickly, but the nuclear winter will effect the globe worse in the extreme northern and southern latitudes as well as the mountainous regions.

Spain may only survive in the southern half of Iberia. Germany/Austria may have a hard go of it in the Balkans.

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How about King Leopold II of Belgium taking the army and navy, plus their families to the mouth of the Congo. While Henry Stanley may not make it back from Africa in this TL with his news of Africa, the King may still try to save the nobles, the military, and their dependents. How long and how successful would be a different story?

 

[Agentdark]

Lets keep the Satanic Russian Cannibals, its part of the Peshawar Lancers TL.

Ideas that I support
Austria-Germany in Bavaria and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Small Southern Spanish Remnant
Argentina
Peru
USA in South and Mexico....

 

[Nekromans]

Don't think I like not writing anything. My head is buzzing with ideas and I have no time to write any of them down because of my PhD writeup and work getting in the way

Oops! That reminds me, my syringe has dried, gotta go-

It may help if you look at it like this:

On one hand, failure to complete your PhD results in your having little or no future, and living out the rest of your life in a little wooden box saying your name's Colin Woodworth to amuse yourself.

On the other hand, failure to update LTTW results in mildly peeved AH.commers. This is a fate worse than death.

 

[euio]

Lets keep the Satanic Russian Cannibals, its part of the Peshawar Lancers TL.

Ideas that I support
Austria-Germany in Bavaria and the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
Small Southern Spanish Remnant
Argentina
Peru
USA in South and Mexico....

Ithink Bavaria is too far north for the Germans. They'd all freeze. The Balkans are much better.

 

[Andromedos]

The Balkans might still be too far north, and feel too strong effects of the impact winter. Remember that most of that area is quite mountainous. Also refugees from east Europe and Italy might swarm the area.

The Germans and Austrians would have to fight
the local population to the blood for food, space and resources, while their nations were devastaed by the impacts and climate change, thus unable to provide the neeeded supplies for a largescale resettlement and partisan conflict against the Balkan population. France and Britain were able to establish themselves in Africa and India because they already had a toehold in the area and because the climate change had less of an impact in this areas, providing enough resources to gurantee some survival.


The Austrians might use their mediterranean ports for a smallscale exodus, settling somewhere in the mediterranean. Maybe in Greece, Lybia, or Cyprus. The Prussians and other north Germans might follow the British, and settle in India, Australia or Africa, becoming part of the Raj. How about a Hohenzollern- ruled Ceylon, with a status similar to Madagaskar?

 

[Tyr]

For the Germans: I'd imagine the majority of their best and brightest would escape with the Brits. The two nations were very close at the time and survival is very much the order of the day here.
Ditto too for the Scandinavians whilst we're at it.

I'd imagine they would find themselves integrated into India fairly well and spread out but there would be some regions probally with a bit of a Teutonic feel and its likely their higher ranked nobles would be pretty highly ranked in India too (second only to the Emperor in one case in particular).

 

[Analytical Engine]

Ok, I've updated my map (feel free to criticise):

 

[Looseheadprop]

Okay, people who don't like the unrealism of TPL or want to add their own ideas, come and discuss here.



* The existence of an Argentine Republic (in formation) trying to break away from the Brazilian overlords of South America.

* Abyssinia exists as an independent nation, rather like Madagascar.

* An independent Siam, playing off the Raj and Dai-Nippon because the Thai always gets the plum job of diplomatically unconquerable in these alt-histories.


* A Zululand kingdom in Southern Africa (The Zulus are still around since they were not defeated in 1879.). Or at alternatively, they refuse to become a client kingdom for the Raj, and are instead the bane of the existence for the Afrikaaners.

* The Maori are treated in some way analogous to the client kingdoms/martial races of India. Or if this is too ahistorical, they're not.

I like the idea of autonomous Maori states, but they would have to be in the north island. the Maoris were always know as good soldiers and i think a more racially accepting British empire would welcome them.

I think a better Idea would be to Have Zulu and matabele princely states, if the raj is properly integrated into india it should have more than enought force to conquer the zulu

 

[Agentdark]

AE-I like that map

 

[Analytical Engine]

AE-I like that map

Thankee.

 

[euio]

The Balkans might still be too far north, and feel too strong effects of the impact winter. Remember that most of that area is quite mountainous. Also refugees from east Europe and Italy might swarm the area.

The Germans and Austrians would have to fight
the local population to the blood for food, space and resources, while their nations were devastaed by the impacts and climate change, thus unable to provide the neeeded supplies for a largescale resettlement and partisan conflict against the Balkan population. France and Britain were able to establish themselves in Africa and India because they already had a toehold in the area and because the climate change had less of an impact in this areas, providing enough resources to gurantee some survival.


The Austrians might use their mediterranean ports for a smallscale exodus, settling somewhere in the mediterranean. Maybe in Greece, Lybia, or Cyprus. The Prussians and other north Germans might follow the British, and settle in India, Australia or Africa, becoming part of the Raj. How about a Hohenzollern- ruled Ceylon, with a status similar to Madagaskar?

I was thinkin of them settle more along the Mediterranean and Black Sea coasts, and less in the central areas, until the winter is over.

 

[Agentdark]

Did the Germans have any colonial empire at this point? If not, why not have the Austro-Germans take over parts of Libya and Tunisia, as well as settling the lower areas of the Balkanbs. Maybe Anatolia also.

 

[euio]

Did the Germans have any colonial empire at this point? If not, why not have the Austro-Germans take over parts of Libya and Tunisia, as well as settling the lower areas of the Balkanbs. Maybe Anatolia also.

Neither had any colonies, so it is likely they could grab Tripoli in the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Agentdark]

Hmm, Could work then. Might we end up with a situation where the Austro-Germans, do to being better organized (Bismarck?) manage to survive in basically Greece, Coastel Balkans, Triest, Coastal italy, Libya and Tunisia?

 

[Looseheadprop]

My Idea for a more realistic Peshwar world. Basically takes most of the ideas on this thread. France-outre-mer has is coloured france but with the austrian colour at 50% of opacity, the Raj is similarly colour with a tinge of german grey. this is to represent the impact of Germany and Austria.

Striped area means an area of activity rather than a claim, so these areas are filled with expeditions, trappers, mining exploration etc

 

[Looseheadprop]

I'm still trying to figure out how Britain had such a large fleet remaining after the tidal wave. Wouldn't it have trashed the channel ports and those in the Irish Sea?

sorry for the double post but (not technologically skilled), ships in open sea dont get terribly damaged, so if a sizeable portion of the fleet (merchant and naval) was at sea or at anchor in the med or a north sea ports id say that its very likely that they would survive

 

[Analytical Engine]

sorry for the double post but (not technologically skilled), ships in open sea dont get terribly damaged, so if a sizeable portion of the fleet (merchant and naval) was at sea or at anchor in the med or a north sea ports id say that its very likely that they would survive

Agreed...

The worst that would happen is if it capsizes for some reason...

Seasickness is going to be a bit of a problem as the wave goes past...

 

[Shadow Knight]

sorry for the double post but (not technologically skilled), ships in open sea dont get terribly damaged, so if a sizeable portion of the fleet (merchant and naval) was at sea or at anchor in the med or a north sea ports id say that its very likely that they would survive

Agreed...

The worst that would happen is if it capsizes for some reason...

Seasickness is going to be a bit of a problem as the wave goes past...

Woah guys we are not talking about an earthquake under water here causing some waves but a massive tidal wave (well over a hundred feet tall) caused by an impacting rock into the sea. Any ship caught by that (and it is going to be a solid wall) is sunk.

I read a story where computer simulations (developed by scientists at the University of California) of an asteroid impact tsunami showed waves as high as 400 feet sweeping onto the Atlantic Coasts.

Think about this for a moment if the United States is wiped out through the Appalachians how could a ship at sea survive the same massive tidal wave?