The Peace of Amiens holds

Saphroneth

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Depends how France is run. Effectively France was seen (due to the Terror and subsequent actions) as a "Rogue State" as it were, and in the early 1800s there was a hope that it had stabilized (though this came to naught OTL).
 
Ah, yes, evil Napoleon, the man with all the silly schemes!

Never mind how he came quite close to winning, and never mind the crazy schemes of other European states, like Britain's ridiculous attempt to conquer Spanish Argentina while allied to Spain!
the Argentine invasions came when Spain was on France's side. the only ridiculous thing about it was that it really would do little to affect the conduct of the war or the ability of either side to win.

to the point at hand, while not as ASB as a 5'2" 57 YO unprincipled peter being able to dunk a basket ball, the peace holding requires massive changes on both sides that aren't likely to happen. I'm more likely to have a career in the NBA next year. But if the peace did hold, the ramifications would be massive. Colonial possessions all around being held a lot longer. no war of 1812. the list too long to mention. Perhaps it would be easier to debate how successful Napoleon could be as a peacetime leader or how long it would be til the country got sick of a lackluster dictator and gave him the boot.
 
the Argentine invasions came when Spain was on France's side. the only ridiculous thing about it was that it really would do little to affect the conduct of the war or the ability of either side to win.

to the point at hand, while not as ASB as a 5'2" 57 YO unprincipled peter being able to dunk a basket ball, the peace holding requires massive changes on both sides that aren't likely to happen. I'm more likely to have a career in the NBA next year. But if the peace did hold, the ramifications would be massive. Colonial possessions all around being held a lot longer. no war of 1812. the list too long to mention. Perhaps it would be easier to debate how successful Napoleon could be as a peacetime leader or how long it would be til the country got sick of a lackluster dictator and gave him the boot.

Massive change = removing Napoleon. Addingtons government was based around peace.
 
What's causing the peace to hold? Is Napoleon less ambitious about reordering Europe? Are the British an
Of course, other powers did other things. But the reaction of the time to Napoleon was much greater - he broke the norms of diplomacy far more at the time than other powers did, which is why they reacted to him as they did.

d/or Russians more willing to stand by and watch it happen?
well yes and no Austrian threats against Bavaria were not irrelevant to the peace breaking down, so not all Napoleon's fault really
 

Saphroneth

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well yes and no Austrian threats against Bavaria were not irrelevant to the peace breaking down, so not all Napoleon's fault really
I'm hardly saying everyone else is blameless. What I'm saying is that the reaction of the time to Napoleon was much greater - hence the immensity of the response to him.
 
More ways that Napoleon not coming to power might help here -- the Italian Republic is now unlikely to have the same head of government as France (even if their President is still Napoleon); and the Batvarian Republic is now less likely to have a reactionary coup in 1801; and negotions following the tentative peace deal in September 1801 won't have the Bonaparts trying to put the screws on Cornwalis (though Talleyrand will still be there, so possibly not so different). AAR, less tension on issues of the Lowlands and Italy would mean that the intervention in Switzerland isn't as much of a provocation (which, taken in itself, isn't such a big deal, since it ended with a negotiated settlement).

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Depends how France is run. Effectively France was seen (due to the Terror and subsequent actions) as a "Rogue State" as it were, and in the early 1800s there was a hope that it had stabilized (though this came to naught OTL).
What, specifically, are the British looking for in how France is run to consider them sufficiently stabilized?
 
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