The Partitioning of Hawaii

might take some time and experimenting to figure it out.

What would last the journey across Siberia? Rum would, but that'd be expensive. Coconuts? I suppose if they move across Siberia outside of summer, than it might be cool enough to preserve some foods (but for months?) Furs obviously, but those would be depleted in a hurry.

What of sandalwood? I'd assume the Russian-American Company wouldn't mind making a profit off extracting those from Kauai and selling them to China.
 
In this case refined sugar is 'white table sugar', brown sugar and all others. "C&H Sugar" stands for California and Hawaii Sugar. In the distant days of my youth, and probably Gunrunner's also depending on his age, when my family would drive from (about) Pearl City to Haleiwa on the north shore of Oahu the would be frequent fires burning in the cane fields to remove the chaff from the stalks, which were then taken to the refinery. I believe that raw sugar crystals were shipped to California for further refinement.

I would think that the Russian elite could get cheaper Caribbean rum. Whatever leaves Hawaii, bound for Russia, and reaches Vladivostock still faces a months long voyage by horse across Siberia to even reach Moscow. Russian interested originally in Hawaii was strictly for the climate that grow food to be shipped back to Alaska.

Cosign on that.

They'd use it as their own exclusive revictualing port. Fresh water, yams, potatos, sweet potatos, other root vegetables and squashes that keep well, as well as the sandalwood and whaling trade. No need for cash crops yet. Thing is, I have trouble seeing Russia keep the place, what with their run ins with the Brits and the overwhelming superiority of British power in the Pacific at the time.

One irony is that European control of all aspects the sandalwood trade might keep it going longer. The chiefs pretty much stripped the forests bare for money, taking even immature trees, and what seedlings there were, were often crushed by collectors out of haste or malice due to the fact that sandalwood gathering was press-gang labor that took them away from their farming and families with no recompense to themselves.
 

Glen

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While I rejected it for the DSA timeline, you could have Russia solidify it's hold on Kauai. The British would probably then do likewise in Oahu where the good harbors are. Then if you really want to split some things, have Catholicism make bigger inroads in the Big Island and/or Maui and have the French come in to protect them after a big Hawaiian Civil War. That places three Great Powers in Hawaiian islands - could be a real tense place, yeah?
 
I don't object to critiquing, that's why I post. But it's how that bugs me. I want to hear specific things, none of that facepalm nonsense. Altering Hawaiian history interested me because I lived there once upon a time. Not very long (long enough to decide tropical coast was not for me)-- and yet I never visited any of the historical sites around Kona. I use to think uphill both ways was a joke, until I tried riding a bicycle in a place that have these rises and dips all along the beach.

Ok, buy instead of build. That's a simple enough edit. But buy them with what? Even old ships weren't cheap. The part about nails I did think about earlier. I know other Polynesians were crazy about nails (I read one account of somebody trying to plant them to grow nail trees), and was trying to think what the Hawaiians would do with them. Use them for spear tips?

Anything you want to point out, do so. If it doesn't destroy the integrity of the story I'm trying to tell (and alternate history is pretty much that; fiction), then I'll correct it. Do try to remember that it being alternate history, some details will be different. I'm not terribly pleased about part 2, but I just wanted to point out that unification on Hawaii did not carry out as it did in OTL.

Psh, I'm being soft on you. Ask Faeelin. In real life I'm even more of a blunt jerk. There's a reason I'm not a college instructor anymore. As for what they bought the ships with, they bought it with sandalwood money. Or land grants. Either case they weren't getting new ones. They were getting used ones, and often getting ripped off on old hulks anyways. Sailing wasn't a problem for them. Upkeep was. As for what Hawaiians used nails for, until professional smiths set up in Honolulu in the late 1830s- early 1840s, pretty much everything you can think of. Pounded into knife blades, needles, fish-hooks, Ornaments and jewelry, the list goes on and on.
 
What would last the journey across Siberia? Rum would, but that'd be expensive. Coconuts? I suppose if they move across Siberia outside of summer, than it might be cool enough to preserve some foods (but for months?) Furs obviously, but those would be depleted in a hurry.

What of sandalwood? I'd assume the Russian-American Company wouldn't mind making a profit off extracting those from Kauai and selling them to China.

Why not go the less obvious route? A Kauaian travels to Russia and converts to Orthodoxy, becoming a monk. He is very charismatic and gets the interest of some fervent nobles to support a mission to the islands to bring them to the faith. Heck, the Japanese Orthodox Church was founded on the charismatic energy of just one guy. Frankly the smells, chanting and mystical iconography of the Orthodox Church will be something Hawaiians "get" better than the Calvinism of the American missionaries. Also, Russians will probably far more tolerant of native practices like hula and 'awa. I confess an attachment to the idea of a Hawaiian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.
 
Then if you really want to split some things, have Catholicism make bigger inroads in the Big Island and/or Maui and have the French come in to protect them after a big Hawaiian Civil War. That places three Great Powers in Hawaiian islands - could be a real tense place, yeah?

That was part of the idea. Something like having the King of Kohala (or Chief, take your pick) converting to Catholicism as well as allying with France. There was some trouble in OTL when Catholicism was outlawed in the Kingdom of Hawaii, which brought in French warships. So if TTL Hawaiian King tries something similar, the French could invade from Kohala. Just a thought. It would make more sense than having Germany or the U.S. jump in all of sudden and snatch up Hawaii (the Kingdom, not the whole island).
 
Also the islands being split up means that there will be no standardized Hawaiian Orthography. Hawaiian as we know it is pretty much the dialect of the Kona-Kohala coast, since the missionary responsible for translation spent most of his time working there and it was the way the most powerful chiefs talked, being mostly from that area. Kauai for example would be closer to Tahitian, down to the point where the Russians would probably call the place "Taua'i" and the king "Tamuari'i". To this day Ni'ihau Hawaiian is unique in that respect, and certain places on Kaua'i maintain the old pronunciation like the Waita Resevoir.
 
They'd use it as their own exclusive revictualing port. Fresh water, yams, potatos, sweet potatos, other root vegetables and squashes that keep well, as well as the sandalwood and whaling trade. No need for cash crops yet.

How good was the fishing around Kauai in the 19th Century? That could be in the Russian economy, though they have other, closer places for fishing.
 
Ok:

Sandalwood orchards.
Trade land on Oahu for merchantmen.
No cash crops for Russia.
And nails from both sides.

I might have to just rework parts 3 and 4 and simply repost them with this additional input.
 
Also the islands being split up means that there will be no standardized Hawaiian Orthography. Hawaiian as we know it is pretty much the dialect of the Kona-Kohala coast, since the missionary responsible for translation spent most of his time working there and it was the way the most powerful chiefs talked, being mostly from that area. Kauai for example would be closer to Tahitian, down to the point where the Russians would probably call the place "Taua'i" and the king "Tamuari'i". To this day Ni'ihau Hawaiian is unique in that respect, and certain places on Kaua'i maintain the old pronunciation like the Waita Resevoir.

How different was the lingo on Maui and Oahu. I have the partition pictured as Russian in Kauai (Taua'i if you like, but it might be easier for the reader if I stuck with modern names), the British in Maui-Oahu (eventual annexation of Oahu perhaps?) and somebody else on part of or all of Hawaii.
 
Ok:

Sandalwood orchards.
Trade land on Oahu for merchantmen.
No cash crops for Russia.
And nails from both sides.

I might have to just rework parts 3 and 4 and simply repost them with this additional input.

Well, nix the sandalwood orchards. The seedlings are semi-parasitic off the root network of other native forest trees. What you could have is "managed" forests, where only trees past a certain age are taken, and someone is in charge of making sure there is no overharvesting. It would probably have to be some forward thinking Euro. The chiefs were kind of on a binge back them. Also land trades are probably going to be weird for Westerners.
"Hey there's folks on my land!"
"Yeah, they're yours now. Don't abuse them too much, otherwise who will work your land?"
"Can I kick them off?"
"Why do want them to starve to death? What kind of person are you? We're taking the land back, and because you're a meany, we're keeping this ship!"
::Whispers:: "That's okay, it's a rotted old hulk, you half-naked savage."
 
How different was the lingo on Maui and Oahu. I have the partition pictured as Russian in Kauai (Taua'i if you like, but it might be easier for the reader if I stuck with modern names), the British in Maui-Oahu (eventual annexation of Oahu perhaps?) and somebody else on part of or all of Hawaii.

No clue. We know the orthography was different, the further you got from Hawaii, the more it drifted, but we simply don't know for sure how they talked, or what different names they had for many things.
 
Ok:

Sandalwood orchards.
Trade land on Oahu for merchantmen.
No cash crops for Russia.
And nails from both sides.

I might have to just rework parts 3 and 4 and simply repost them with this additional input.

I'm not really sure that sandalwood orchards are going to work. It was 'wild' sandalwood that was cut down for the China trade, but who's going to be planting it again? Especially when it takes so long to grow? I think you should just continue on the historical line of sandalwood being the early one hit wonder of the islands' economy. The islands don't have much in way of export since they are basically subsistence economies to begin with.

I would consider that as long as Russia holds Alaska that the Sandwich Isles will eventually provide grains and other produce for that colony. That at least gives you until the 1860s. There could be a trade triangle between Sandwich Isles, China and Alaska.
 
I have to call the plots of forest something. Perhaps plantation would be better for the tropics. Ok, the forest can be divided up and managed by each "plantation" owner. The British have been managing their land for quite some time, as have the French. The Russians.... I guess they'll just have to learn.

Triangle trade; food stuffs from Kauai to Alaska, and Sandalwood to China. Now if the Russian-American Company was pulling a profit, would Russia even offer to sell Alaska? If that's the case, what happens to Alaska if there's a Russian and later Bolshevik Revolution?
 
Now if the Russian-American Company was pulling a profit, would Russia even offer to sell Alaska? If that's the case, what happens to Alaska if there's a Russian and later Bolshevik Revolution?

From what I've read the Russian-American Company was making a profit, but never enough to justify the amount of money it would take for Russia to defend it.
 
I did a little bit of work to parts 3 and 4, to try to make them a little less outlandish.


3) Maui Ascendant

In 1786, the island of Maui received more visited from distant lands. French explorer Jean Francois de Galaup arrived on Maui after departing Easter Island. He heard tales of Cook’s expedition, and of the hostility of Hawaii compared with the hospitality of Maui. De Galaup attempted to forge a deal with Kahekili II, an early attempt to annex the island, with dismal results. Future French attempts to gain a foothold in the islands would focus on Hawaii itself. In 1790, American fur traders, seeking seal, sea otter and other maritime furs, arrived on Maui, where natives managed to steal the ship’s cutter. Attempts to regain the boat resulted in a native village being reduced by the ship’s gun.

In 1792, a British expedition under the commander of George Vancouver arrived on the island. After dealings with the French and Americans, the Mauians were weary of outsiders, even more of Cook’s people. Vancouver brought with him not ill intentions, but gifts, including several head of cattle. The Big Island would have made far better country for cattle, but Cook’s reception, as well as ongoing warfare, gave zero chance of a landing occurring there. Despite this, a few Hawaiians attempted to contact Vancouver while he was anchored off Maui.

Along with cattle, Vancouver brought along several advisors who expressed interest in visiting the islands. The British captain was hesitant to fulfill requests for firearms. Kahekili II was a brutal conqueror. In the conquest of Oahu, some years before contact, he killed all the chiefs who opposed him, and used their bones in the construction of houses. Not only was he brutal, but ambitious. Those aged for the day, he still had designs on furthering his control over Kauai (his brother was consort to the Queen of Kauai) and of conquering Hawaii. During the wintering on Maui, the Mauians learned much from the British, and did eventually obtain a small supply of muskets.

A trade treaty was signed between the King of Maui and the British government. The British had much to offer the Maui. Over the course of the next ten years, several aging merchantmen were delivered. These were old, and obsolete by European standards, but mighty ships in the eyes of the Mauians. These ships were put to use in the islands’ own trade. By 1825, the ships were venturing as far as China, where demand for was hard to satisfy. So much so, that by the 1830s, Sandalwood trees were growing scarce on Maui. Along with trade goods from across the Pacific, the merchantmen brought back many exotic diseases that would ravage the Mauian population for decades to come.

The islanders also had a love for nails. These simple items in the eyes of the British were almost worth their weight in gold. The Mauians did not use them to hammer wood together, but instead used them in more ingneious ways. Fish hooks, blades and even the tips of spears became the new use for these bits of iron. What did the Mauians have that the British could want in return? A resupply stop in the middle of the empty North Pacific. That, and land. In exchange for goods, the King of Maui granted land to the British. The British desired locations on Oahu, particularly Honolulu. There, a number of whaling stations popped up over the decades. Along with ocean front property, the British gained lots of forest, where the valuable Sandalwood tree grew. Unlike the Mauians, who stripped the forest bare, the British brought in their own foresters, with centuries of experience in maintaining Britain’s limited woods.

Along with the trade of goods, the trade of ideas flowed into Maui. Behind the British Captains and Diplomats came the Missionaries. Anglican missions opened up schools and began to teach the Mauians how to read and write. Most of this was done in English, though the Mauians did develop a written language for their own language, using the Latin alphabet. Education was one of the positive effects of the missions, but only one of a few. Missionary priests were quite appalled by the lack of modesty among the natives, as well as made a concerted effort to stamp out what they saw as heathen practices. Worse than the British Missionaries were the American ones, far more evangelized than their British cousins. The conversion of Maui to Christianity was a slow process, taking the better part of a century before many of the old ways were largely abandoned.

4) Tropical Gulag

With Kahekili, and later his heir Kalanikupule, casting eyes towards taking more control of Kauai, the Kauaians were in desperate scrapes. With the death of Queen Kamakahelei, her son Kaumualii became King of Kauai. With a new trade in sandalwood to China, Maui sought more of the wood to sell for Chinese goods. Kauai had its own groves of Sandalwood trees, and instead of allowing Kauai its own trade, the King of Maui decided to make them his own. Maui’s first attempt in 1809 was called off due to an epidemic raging through Kalanikupule’s army, claiming many warriors.

Before Maui made the attempt on seizing direct control over Kauai, a rather fortuitous event occurred. In 1815, a ship owned by the Russian-American Company wrecked off Kauai, survivors making it to the island. These were like the outsiders that arrived off Kauai decades previous, and have made many voyages to the Hawaiian Islands since. Kaumualii welcomed the foreigners, and attempted to communicate with them. A few in Kauai had learn the English language, which proved of little use to these new foreigners. A few of the Russian sailors had some grasp of English, and a long, protracted negotiation was entered.

During their time on the island, the stranded Russians (as well as other nationalities under contract) built a small fort. This later evolved into Fort Elizabeth. In late 1816, Kaumualii signed a treaty with the Russian-American company, which he believed was an alliance with this powerful and distant land. In the terms of the treaty, Kauai became a Russian Protectorate, and would turn out to be not as equal as the King believed. Along with Fort Elizabeth, the Russians constructed Fort Alexander on the northern coast of the island. Situated on Hanalei Bay, Fort Alexander soon became the chief port for the Russian import-export business. This base allowed the Russians to extend their claim westward as far as Midway and Wake. Fort Alexander also became home to Russian whaling stations and a few fishing vessels.

At first, the alliance was great for Kauai. Along with Russian forts and guns, Russian soldiers garrisoned these installations, and Kauaian warriors were trained in the European style of warfare, including the use of muskets. The Russian-American Company kept a tight control over powder and ammunition. The Russian brought outside trade as well. The Russian-American Company was foremost interested in the hides of marine mammals, which they ruthlessly hunted across the northern Pacific. For additional profit, the Russians, instead of the Mauians, extracted the sandalwood from Kauai, virtually eliminating the tree from Kauai and Niihau.

When fur began to dwindle, the Company’s position in Kauai was saved by the Sandalwood tree. The incense extracted from the tree was of great value in China. With both the British and Mauians trading in the wood, why should Russia not profit from it as well? Russia did not have the same level of experience in managing forests as the British, and stripped a few areas bare. To better manage the resource, the Company divided land into plantations amongst their own people. The King of Kauai was not pleased. To placate him, he was given a sizable quantity of nails as payment. To keep up with demand, the Russians began to press more of the Kauaians on to the “plantations”. When the native population was struck by a severe outbreak of small pox in 1836, a new source of labor was sought. The Russian-American Company began to import various peoples the Tsar’s regime deemed undesirable for penal servitude.

Along with sandalwood, the Russian grew a great deal of produce on the island. Much of this was slated for use in the Company’s operations in the frozen north. Some made it as far as the Russian Far East, but the slow wagon ride across Siberia limited just how far inland they could be distributed. Sweet Potatoes turned out to be one of the more popular native crops with the Russian colonists.

The culture of Kauai began to shrink at the influx of nationalities from across the Russian Empire. The surviving elite of the island found themselves speaking more Russian than their native language. The end of Kauaian religion came in 1851, when the Russians forced the natives to convert to the Russian Orthodox Church. The last Kauai King, Kauamilii II lead a rebellion against the now Russian oppressors. The rebellion was crushed, and the last King executed on November 3, 1851. Following the uprising, the Russian Empire outright annexed the islands of Kauai.
 
5) Kingdom of Kohala

For the first decade of the 19th Century, the small Kingdom of Kohala had to contend itself with constant threats from the larger of the two kingdoms on Hawaii. Their salvation, if one could call it such, came in the form of the restored Kingdom of France. The Kohalan alliance with France was concluded after the first French merchants arrived on the island. France desired their own market in the islands. The treaty granted France sole commercial rights to Kohala, in return for a supply of firearms to the Kohalans. French advisors trained the Kohalan Army in the tactics of 19th Century European Armies.

The French established a resupply station at the northern reaches of the island. Here, the French grew pineapples and tried to establish orange orchards upon the island. These citrus fruits were destined for French ships crossing the Pacific. The French brought with them cattle and sheep, a flock of sheep were granted to the King of Kohala as a gift, to supply their ships with freshly dried beef and mutton.

On the heels of the traders came the Catholic Church. French missionaries arrived on the island in drove. So strong was the converting force, that the King of Kohala converted and was baptized Louis Philippe in 1833, taking the same name as the King of France. Though Catholicism became the official religion around the same time, aspects of Hawaiian religion continued to linger for decades. Missionaries spilled over the border into the Kingdom of Hawaii, competing with Protestants from Britain and the United States for control of the islanders’ souls.
 
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