The Pacific War begins in 1937

Blair152

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Thanks again. During congressional hearings into deaths in the Louisiana Maneuvers, Marshall, who knew that the Army wasn't ready for primetime,
said: "My God, Senator! I'd rather have them make mistakes in training over here than in battle over there."
 

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There were two South Dakota classes. The first, the South Dakota class of 1920, was ordered back in 1918. It was supposed to be a follow on to the
Colorado class. There were six: USS South Dakota, (BB-49), USS Indiana,
(BB-50), USS Montana, (BB-51), USS North Carolina, (BB-52), USS Iowa,
(BB-53), and USS Massachusetts, (BB-54). You're thinking of the lead ship of the South Dakota class of 1939. There were four ships in that class.
You're wrong. I had a copy of the 60th anniversary issue of TIME magazine back in 1983. It said that Jeannette Rankin voted against the declaration of war in 1941 and she also voted against the declaration of war in 1917. Granted, the pace of promotion in the 1930s was glacial, but
if war had come in 1937, promotions would have been sped up.

What the hell, once more unto the breach...

Jeannette Rankin did indeed vote against both declarations of war. She was also NOT IN CONGRESS in 1937. She served two terms in the House the first from 3/3/17 to 3/3/19 and the second beginning on 1/3/41 to 1/3/43. She was not in ANY elective office between 3/3/19 through 1/2/41. 13 seconds of research on your part would have given you that rather critical bit of data.

I am well aware of the cancelled BB classes that resulted from the Washington Treaty.

I had very much hoped that you had actually tried to learn something on the subjects you want feedback on. Sorry to see I was wrong.

Or, as I asked before, are you actually just pretending to be utterly clueless as some odd version of trolling?
 

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How dare you recommend that the Bard do research.:eek:

He is fully informed by reading 20 year old magazine articles, the back of bubble gum cards (that, BTW, is not an overstatement, check his Bard32 posts), and the History Channel.

Its a history book:

http://www.amazon.com/War-Plan-Orange-Strategy-1897-1945/dp/0870217593

Very good starting point for thinking about a 1930s war with Japan.

For the people involved, Wikipedia gets frowned upon here - anything political can be suspect - but their biographical entries on anyone you're thinking of featuring can quickly give you an idea of where they were at a given time, and can point you to original references.

There's an old saying: the more you sweat in peacetime, the less you bleed in wartime. It can also be applied to building an AH. The more research you do, the better your TL will be, and you can almost never do too much research.
 
This thread is based on E11 level insanity.

So, to change the channel...

Would anyone like a cup of tea? Though I think that some of you would prefer Advil and/or a stiff drink thanks to the Bard32 induced headache...
 
What accent do the voices in your head speak in?

"USS PANAY. The PANAY incident brings the United States and Japan to the brink of war. FDR demands reparations from Japan. He claims that the Japanese deliberately sank an American warship. The Japanese deny this and offer to pay reparations to make it go away. FDR refuses the payment of what he terms "blood money."

You seem to have confused yourself right off the bat. If I read this right (and yes, I have), Roosevelt demands money, the Japanese offer money, Roosevelt refuses the money? Huh?

Far be it for me to doubt the veracity of that pile of old newspapers and magazines filling your house, you seem to have missed a few key points here:

1. "WW1 ending in just an armistice vice the Treaty of Versailles" Inconveniently for your notion, if Germany had not signed the ToV, the armistice would have expired in June 1919 and the Entente would have resumed combat operations against Germany.

More to follow, LMFAO CalBear
 
But the OTL response to the Panay Massacre was a proposal to require a referendum on the US going to war. Why the lust for blood?
 
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