What would happen to the Ottoman Empire if the Central Powers win? Would it collapse or survive? How would it survive if it is meant to? Or how does it collaspse? And would Germany intervene somehow? Where do Atatruk and the Arab Revolts come in?
Where do Atatruk and the Arab Revolts come in?
Which could of course go either way. We'd really need to write 2 seperate timelines for the Ottomans. One with Ataturk seizing power anyway. One with Pasha staying in charge and Ataturk being retired.Ataturk's rise to power was only made possible by the conditions that existed in the Ottoman Empire after the peace. Had the Central Powers emerged victorious, my guess is that he would be hailed as one of Turkey's best generals, with Enver Pasha setting our to discredit him so as to eliminate a potential political rival.
What would happen to the Ottoman Empire if the Central Powers win? Would it collapse or survive? How would it survive if it is meant to?
Or how does it collaspse? And would Germany intervene somehow? Where do Atatruk and the Arab Revolts come in?
Ataturk's rise to power was only made possible by the conditions that existed in the Ottoman Empire after the peace. Had the Central Powers emerged victorious, my guess is that he would be hailed as one of Turkey's best generals, with Enver Pasha setting our to discredit him so as to eliminate a potential political rival.
I'm not sure I understand...what do you mean "if it is meant to"? *curious*
Ataturk's rise to power was only made possible by the conditions that existed in the Ottoman Empire after the peace. Had the Central Powers emerged victorious, my guess is that he would be hailed as one of Turkey's best generals, with Enver Pasha setting our to discredit him so as to eliminate a potential political rival.
I have a feeling the Emperor might let his daughter marry Mustafa Kemal.
(at least in OTL, she said he was a rather dashing fellow)
and in OTL, and possibly this ATL too, Mustafa Kemal was the only Turkish officer never defeated in battle. there's political advantage to be found there.
On one TL here, I forget whose, I came across an interesting idea:What would happen to the Ottoman Empire if the Central Powers win? Would it collapse or survive? How would it survive if it is meant to? Or how does it collaspse? And would Germany intervene somehow? Where do Atatruk and the Arab Revolts come in?
The Ottomans were leary of letting people marry their daughters - Enver got a princess because he forced it. Kemal was refused a similar request, which some people think is a source of his hostility towards the dynasty.
The status of Egypt would be interesting and could go any number of ways. Maybe a return to the pre-War situation but with German paramountcy instead of British under Ottoman sovereignty.
That would have to be pretty extreme. Cyprus was BritishIf the war ends before a Russian collapse, the Ottomans will probably not end up with any additional territory - possibly they will get the Dodecanese back, maybe Lemnos and/or a couple of other strategic islands, and maybe Kars and Ardahan from the Russians - maybe at the extreme even Cyprus..
Theoretically, it was still part of the Ottoman Empire and given victory for the Central Powers they would probably demand it back. Whether they did, or as as suggested above, the Germans take over, will depend on how badly the British have done. At very least Berlin would get the French shares in the Suez Canal with Constantinople getting the power to appoint the ruler of Egypt.The status of Egypt would be interesting and could go any number of ways. Maybe a return to the pre-War situation but with German paramountcy instead of British under Ottoman sovereignty.
Given that the Turks did not do too well in the guerrilla war in WW1, their battle hardened army probably won't do too well in the Turkish-Arab War in the twenties. Then again if the Germans supply them with aircraft the Arabs won't do too well either, especially after the Turks go chemical.If tThe big losers would be the Hashemites, the Saudis, and the Kuwaitis. Success is a big boost to prestige, and I don't see many problems facing Ottoman restoration. They maintained control of Medina and Yemen, so little pockets in Arabia won't pose many problems to the battle-hardened army.
That would have to be pretty extreme. Cyprus was British
Theoretically, it was still part of the Ottoman Empire and given victory for the Central Powers they would probably demand it back. Whether they did, or as as suggested above, the Germans take over, will depend on how badly the British have done. At very least Berlin would get the French shares in the Suez Canal with Constantinople getting the power to appoint the ruler of Egypt.
There is also the issue of Sudan which in theory Anglo-Egyptian although in practice British. If the Ottomans wish they could try and cut themselves a slice of that country although I have the feeling that they would be told to get lost.
Given that the Turks did not do too well in the guerrilla war in WW1, their battle hardened army probably won't do too well in the Turkish-Arab War in the twenties. Then again if the Germans supply them with aircraft the Arabs won't do too well either, especially after the Turks go chemical.
I'm most interested in what the relationship would be between a surviving OE and Persia, particularly if Russia is taken out of the picture, at least temporarily.
Originally Posted by Faeelin
Obviously, in the 1930s the Greeks would liberate Smyrna.
Obviously, in the 1930s the Greeks would liberate Smyrna.