The Ottoman Empire after WWI?

I am working on a timeline in which Austria-Hungary joins the allies after the Sixtus Affair, and is followed by Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire.

I need some advice on what the borders of the Ottoman Empire might look like. Would the Ottomans be able to retain a lot of land?
 

NothingNow

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I am working on a timeline in which Austria-Hungary joins the allies after the Sixtus Affair, and is followed by Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire.

I need some advice on what the borders of the Ottoman Empire might look like. Would the Ottomans be able to retain a lot of land?

Why the hell would the Ottomans join the Allies in that scenario?

There's no particularly compelling reason I can see, especially since the Sixtus peace would give the Russians Istanbul and the Bosporus, which is absolutely intolerable for the UK and Ottomans.
 
Why the hell would the Ottomans join the Allies in that scenario?

There's no particularly compelling reason I can see, especially since the Sixtus peace would give the Russians Istanbul and the Bosporus, which is absolutely intolerable for the UK and Ottomans.

With the Revolution in Russia, that would not happen, would it?
 
in the long run, assuming that they aren't dissolved earlier, i could totally see the Ottoman Empire subjected to decolonization much like Britain and France were. i'd say the chances are relatively good that the Ottoman Empire itself won't be abolished (even if Ataturk still rises and reforms the country), and more or ess that the Sick Man of Europe just gets a little less sick
 

Dorozhand

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I am working on a timeline in which Austria-Hungary joins the allies after the Sixtus Affair, and is followed by Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire.

I need some advice on what the borders of the Ottoman Empire might look like. Would the Ottomans be able to retain a lot of land?


With A-H, Bulgaria, and Russia on the side of the allies, the Ottomans have nowhere to go if they want to expand territorially and get some good prestige out of a victory.

Since Greece would have to be crazy to join what's left of the CP, they're out of the question too.
 
Identity Problem

The core problem of the OE is IMHO one of identity. Is it:

1] Islamic -- The Young Turks were quite 2 faced about Islam. There was a strong streak of antireligionism but conversely they tried to get Muslims everywhere to support them Kemalism was more consistent in its antireligionism

2] A broadly defined national identity. This was PanTuranism which appealed to many Young Turks, esp. Enver

3] A narrowly defined Turkish identity This was fundamental to Kemalism

4] A largely secular constitutional monarchy with some federalism This was what Tanzimat was about

There is going to be a very serious tension between all 4 of these visions in the OE postwar
 
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