The OTL
- Thread starter Predictably.Damaged
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OTL from PlC world: France Floundered in Flanders. TL author banned for excessive alliteration.
Very good P
Thande
Donor
...but it isn't
Unless you mean Roman cultural institutions have lasted through the ages as opposed to Carthaginian ones...Since no one has touched it yet...
TL-191
POD: The Union somehow (ASBs?) gets ahold of a copy of Lee's order 191 and avoids defeat, going on to win the war. Mocked for turning Gemany into a freedomite state, indentical to the origional except for the names and the anti-semitism. Has America allied with the Entente powers, including a Socialist tyrrarny in Russia. No war fought in North America. TL extended all the way out to 2008. Future developments are quite far-fetched, especialy communications and entertainment technologies. Red socialism viewed as barbarirc failure, american socialism found almost everywhere except america.
TL refered to as United we Stand, after the first novel.
TL-191
POD: The Union somehow (ASBs?) gets ahold of a copy of Lee's order 191 and avoids defeat, going on to win the war. Mocked for turning Gemany into a freedomite state, indentical to the origional except for the names and the anti-semitism. Has America allied with the Entente powers, including a Socialist tyrrarny in Russia. No war fought in North America. TL extended all the way out to 2008. Future developments are quite far-fetched, especialy communications and entertainment technologies. Red socialism viewed as barbarirc failure, american socialism found almost everywhere except america.
TL refered to as United we Stand, after the first novel.
From Any Time-Line, OTHER than Sir Winston Churchill's "What if Lee had Not Won The Battle of Gettysburg" ...
Anglo-Sphere-Wank Time-Line ...
Between themselves, The British Commonwealth and The United States Encompass More Territory than Any Other Cultural Group!
Anglo-Sphere-Wank Time-Line ...
Between themselves, The British Commonwealth and The United States Encompass More Territory than Any Other Cultural Group!
VT45
Banned
...but it isn't
It can refer to both. After all, IOTL Rome lasted into the 5th century, and MC people may actually cite the fall of the empire to 1453, depending on their perceptions of how much continuity they see existing between the Roman and Byzantine Empires.
And also the cultural traditions are much less important in Map Continuation. They're more Carthage and Celtic-based.
I like these ones, even if the're a bit Western-centered.
You could have "The Eagle and the Bear" for the Cold War. Don't know how to call WWII.
Astonishing the World
Initial WI: "Avoid the Danubian War!"
Final TL: "Astonishment" - seen as a glorification of the pacifistic naiveties of the late nineteenth century. In particular, the up-down nature of TTL Prussia and the early defeat of the CAS - oops, sorry, CSA, since Mortimer changed it for no reason - are seen as implausible and unlikely.
Initial WI: "Avoid the Danubian War!"
Final TL: "Astonishment" - seen as a glorification of the pacifistic naiveties of the late nineteenth century. In particular, the up-down nature of TTL Prussia and the early defeat of the CAS - oops, sorry, CSA, since Mortimer changed it for no reason - are seen as implausible and unlikely.
Glen
Moderator
From: Transhumanist Soviet Union
Name: Dystopian Soviet Union
POD: Crazy Georgian Joseph Stalin highjacks the Revolution and promotes pseudosciences.
This timeline shows the perils of a world where the enlightened guidance from the intelligenstia on behalf of the workers are highjacked by the early revolutionary figure of Joseph Stalin. The glorious Union of Soviet Socialist Republics instead of being on the road to evolution into a technoparadise where the individual worker is freed from the tyranny of genetic heritage the USSR is portrayed as some cryptofascist state that promulgates pseudoscience and has to subsist off the meager technological advances of the United States of America, which is more progressive in this timeline, oddly, possibly due to a fantastic Second World War where the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is first allied and then betrayed by Nazi Germany (this point of the timeline is ridiculed as ASB, given the antipathy of even the early Soviet Union for the Nazi regime), with the United States of America then joining forces with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (this after the Japanese attack the United States of America triggers Hitler to declare war on the United States of America, another point often criticized as ASB), and then go on to dismember Nazi Germany between them. Overall the timeline is dystopic, though the obliteration of the Nazis is somewhat gratifying.
Name: Dystopian Soviet Union
POD: Crazy Georgian Joseph Stalin highjacks the Revolution and promotes pseudosciences.
This timeline shows the perils of a world where the enlightened guidance from the intelligenstia on behalf of the workers are highjacked by the early revolutionary figure of Joseph Stalin. The glorious Union of Soviet Socialist Republics instead of being on the road to evolution into a technoparadise where the individual worker is freed from the tyranny of genetic heritage the USSR is portrayed as some cryptofascist state that promulgates pseudoscience and has to subsist off the meager technological advances of the United States of America, which is more progressive in this timeline, oddly, possibly due to a fantastic Second World War where the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is first allied and then betrayed by Nazi Germany (this point of the timeline is ridiculed as ASB, given the antipathy of even the early Soviet Union for the Nazi regime), with the United States of America then joining forces with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (this after the Japanese attack the United States of America triggers Hitler to declare war on the United States of America, another point often criticized as ASB), and then go on to dismember Nazi Germany between them. Overall the timeline is dystopic, though the obliteration of the Nazis is somewhat gratifying.
Corrupted Rogue
Banned
Since we are at the cusp of what in the ninties would be considered 'near sci-fi' technologies, I would suggest something along those lines. Hmm.. 'Birth of a Uncertain Future Writ in Blood** and Light*'? (*Reference to Lasers. **Reference to the 'Resoruce Wars of the Early 21 Century'.)
Uncertain because the Moslem's are as a loose group taking to war, and have made cultural colonies (including Sharia!) in European cities like London, which until the 1800's was very much making war with and holding out agins't the Moslem's of Asia and N. Africa.
The Chinese are investing in the US to a amount the the US is owned and purchased by the PRC. However the US could crush the PRC anywhere other than in the PRC and Siam. If it wasn't for the investment in the US Debt, the Chinese Economy would be running up into the stratosphere causing (ironically) massive discontent with it's 'Communist/Facist' top-down control scheme.
Japan has the technology and the will to turn turtle and harden the Home Islands to survive. (Think larger ROC.) The Chinese are not even a complete empire, although it nearly doesn't matter - they still have a relic of the civil war that was the end of the Chionese nation of the 1800's - itself a puppert of Europe after the empire of the 1700's fell to European Powers.
Japen as mentioned above has done a U-turn from it's history and while culturally siumilar, it has gone from a Ultra Consertitve Traditional Warrior Nation that is rather small and limited to the Home Islands to Traditional but with Liberal aspects, with Corporate Empire(s) that stretch around the world. This after being treated to a 'Future Tech' incident thanks to Amercian bombers. Twice. (Followed by a 'unlikkley event' with over a thousand ways it could have gone differently.)
European influences (almost to the point where it would be wank!) in Europe have cut off their own fingers to spite the fist, and are degrading painfully quick. As above, moslem cultural colonization is taking it's toll. Europe has had two Great Wars with German y rising like a Pheonix and even without optimization making a war to shake the world starting in '35. (This after a defeat and massive debt forced on Germany in '19.) Currently, Germany is Facist Anti-Facists. (Look at how Nazism is hunted and burnt, how 'threats to Democracy or Virtue' are dealt swift punishments. Other than the aforementioned godmodded Islamic Fundamentalism.)
The United States is either fantastically lucky or the Indians were Godmodded into total uselessness wiht their weakness to European diseases, NA's resource problems, the Locals' inabiluity to advance technologically and their peacenik attitudes. It's clear the person behind the typewriter loved the US (before giving the TL up) or loves whomever is going to get ahead on the backs of the US.
The US 'cultural explosion' of the seventies also looks dogy when seen as part of a TL. It's either not going to happen, a result of the melting pot exploding or as a event every culturally mixed nation goes through.
Africa exp. souther Sudan is currently part of a Moslem Holy War to put the nation to the blade or have it convert. Various brushfires are blazing. However, some African nations are working on Unionizing to try to support themsleves. Although they will not say it, I suspect such a Union will be forced to draw a line agins't the moslem horde soonish or the nations will be destroyed abnd the AU turned into a league of moslem states.
Megacorporations and the Ogopolies - did these even have analouges before 1500? If you have no point of reference, it would be hard to describe them to full effect. Sometimes, I wake up and ask myself oif they really are as big as I have been left to believe. (From watching corporate/buisness news no less.) Abnd seriously, Megacorps fighting half of the US war in Iraq? Without repurcussions then their services/products are shoddy? Who the hell is asleep at the US Justice Dept?
As to the Iraq War: if the writer of OTL loves islam so much, the Iraq war is either a event Iran will take advantage of or a attempt to make islam seem less of a Marty Stu on the OTL world stage. It isn't working because I realise Islam's threat level is not in armies or antions but in memenic conflict and leading bands of rogues and thieves to make war in all the cracks of the 'civilzed world'.
Scienece -tology is a joke. A massive joke. Perhaps also a proof of concept in creating a religion from scratch to whatever forum is reading the TL-wank that is Earth.
Uncertain because the Moslem's are as a loose group taking to war, and have made cultural colonies (including Sharia!) in European cities like London, which until the 1800's was very much making war with and holding out agins't the Moslem's of Asia and N. Africa.
The Chinese are investing in the US to a amount the the US is owned and purchased by the PRC. However the US could crush the PRC anywhere other than in the PRC and Siam. If it wasn't for the investment in the US Debt, the Chinese Economy would be running up into the stratosphere causing (ironically) massive discontent with it's 'Communist/Facist' top-down control scheme.
Japan has the technology and the will to turn turtle and harden the Home Islands to survive. (Think larger ROC.) The Chinese are not even a complete empire, although it nearly doesn't matter - they still have a relic of the civil war that was the end of the Chionese nation of the 1800's - itself a puppert of Europe after the empire of the 1700's fell to European Powers.
Japen as mentioned above has done a U-turn from it's history and while culturally siumilar, it has gone from a Ultra Consertitve Traditional Warrior Nation that is rather small and limited to the Home Islands to Traditional but with Liberal aspects, with Corporate Empire(s) that stretch around the world. This after being treated to a 'Future Tech' incident thanks to Amercian bombers. Twice. (Followed by a 'unlikkley event' with over a thousand ways it could have gone differently.)
European influences (almost to the point where it would be wank!) in Europe have cut off their own fingers to spite the fist, and are degrading painfully quick. As above, moslem cultural colonization is taking it's toll. Europe has had two Great Wars with German y rising like a Pheonix and even without optimization making a war to shake the world starting in '35. (This after a defeat and massive debt forced on Germany in '19.) Currently, Germany is Facist Anti-Facists. (Look at how Nazism is hunted and burnt, how 'threats to Democracy or Virtue' are dealt swift punishments. Other than the aforementioned godmodded Islamic Fundamentalism.)
The United States is either fantastically lucky or the Indians were Godmodded into total uselessness wiht their weakness to European diseases, NA's resource problems, the Locals' inabiluity to advance technologically and their peacenik attitudes. It's clear the person behind the typewriter loved the US (before giving the TL up) or loves whomever is going to get ahead on the backs of the US.
The US 'cultural explosion' of the seventies also looks dogy when seen as part of a TL. It's either not going to happen, a result of the melting pot exploding or as a event every culturally mixed nation goes through.
Africa exp. souther Sudan is currently part of a Moslem Holy War to put the nation to the blade or have it convert. Various brushfires are blazing. However, some African nations are working on Unionizing to try to support themsleves. Although they will not say it, I suspect such a Union will be forced to draw a line agins't the moslem horde soonish or the nations will be destroyed abnd the AU turned into a league of moslem states.
Megacorporations and the Ogopolies - did these even have analouges before 1500? If you have no point of reference, it would be hard to describe them to full effect. Sometimes, I wake up and ask myself oif they really are as big as I have been left to believe. (From watching corporate/buisness news no less.) Abnd seriously, Megacorps fighting half of the US war in Iraq? Without repurcussions then their services/products are shoddy? Who the hell is asleep at the US Justice Dept?
As to the Iraq War: if the writer of OTL loves islam so much, the Iraq war is either a event Iran will take advantage of or a attempt to make islam seem less of a Marty Stu on the OTL world stage. It isn't working because I realise Islam's threat level is not in armies or antions but in memenic conflict and leading bands of rogues and thieves to make war in all the cracks of the 'civilzed world'.
Scienece -tology is a joke. A massive joke. Perhaps also a proof of concept in creating a religion from scratch to whatever forum is reading the TL-wank that is Earth.
From: A no-Christianity world
Initial WI: Monotheism more prevalent around the world?
POD: Schism in Jewish religion beginning around 750 AUC
TL name: One god to rule them all
Initial WI: Monotheism more prevalent around the world?
POD: Schism in Jewish religion beginning around 750 AUC
TL name: One god to rule them all
Snake Featherston
Banned
What the Hell? You a Chris sockpuppet (
) cuz, if you ain't you've been reading his stories far too much...I'd wager some of what you wrote is accurate. I'd say the eleven biggest surprises of OTL are:
1) A beggar-king's religion gets spread through the Indosphere, and then gets obliterated in much of it by another religion. At the same time, a crucified Jew's religion births a religion that got a serious wank in this timeline along with a religion started by a merchant.
2) That the Mongols were the last nomadic people to have a big impact.
3) That European diseases had such an impact on the natives of the New World that nations that would have otherwise never been born could be.
4) The U.S. has the longest-lasting government on Earth. Seriously, HTF did it go this long without being hijacked somehow? This timeline is Ameriwank.
5) That Germany could hold off the rest of the world for years twice. Germany was tiny compared to the forces aligned against it.
6) That nuclear weapons helped control peace through MAD, instead of being used by either side when they had the advantage...
7) That civilization on an agricultural bases exists at all. Agriculture was quite bad for the early farmers. OTL is also an ag-wank.
8) That civilization would be dominated by a former backwater of the world with disease-ridden cities and that that domination was by brute force.
9) That democracy should enjoy even the success it does. Really, 120,000 years of human history would seem to indicate this period will soon end.
And...
10) That industrial civilization seems, so far, immune to stagnation.
The last one I believe is starting in the US and Europe, but the stagnation and ossification are not so blatant as to notice.