Kaptin Kurk
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Is it possible, by 2000, to have a state whose capital is not in Eurasia unite the World under one banner?
The Non-Eurasian Option
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It probably isn't possible for anyone, Eurasian or otherwise.
EDIT: This assumes that you want to avoid ASB pr near-ASB scenarios like asteroids smashing the European capitals flat or something
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Given an early enough start, the Chinese might: if they get to the Americas first and fill 'em up with another billion people or so by the modern era they certainly have the manpower for dominating the rest of the globe. Africa for various reasons is a poor place to make a start at conquering the globe, and the Americas OTL were just too far behind the development curve to take over the Olde World: as I said, some sort of Victorious US-equivalent, whether British or Chinese or French or Japanese or whatever might encompass global dominion in the wake of some sort of Eurasia-scorching nuclear conflict, but actual conquest is unlikely (the logistics are shit for one thing, and since we are talking settler colonies, a big tech gap is unlikely to form) . How unified are we talking about, anyway? A loose overlordship or vassaldom in the Chinese sense might be globally extendible, although there probably would be stubborn holdouts here and there.
Bruce
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Kaptin Kurk
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Good thoughts, although I'm not sure in the 50,000 years between Indians crossing into the Americas (or the 100,000 years of Human beings living in Africa) advance civilization not arising in the Eurasian continent first is really ASB. Beyond our understanding maybe, but I'd argue against there being any hard and fast rule that agriculture and differentiated civilization can only arise (Jarred Diamond not withstanding) after 95,000 years of experimentation 10,000 years ago in Eurasian river vallies. Really, we have 95,000 years to work with and nothing?
Hm? It was my impression that the earliest Americans were believed to have crossed the Bering Straits 15,000 to 17,000 years ago.
Bruce
Kaptin Kurk
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I might be off, but I thought the Human diaspora across the world was pretty much complete 50,000 years ago.
Even if China or some African nation rose to such worldwide prominence early (certainly within the realm of possibility), the communication and logistic hurdles would prevent an entire world under one flag (as required in the OP). Look at Rome: a dominant power in its day, its sheer size required it to be split for administration purposes. And didn't even control all Europe, much less the world. The technology barely exists now, if at all.
EDIT: Come to think of it, China is still a Eurasian country, so it doesn't fit the OP anyways.
Yeah, have you seen those fatassed, loudmouthed Americans (i.e. Chinese colonists)? Unlike their ancestors they have no culture whatsoever, and think they can bomb and invade whichever country they want. They got all those poor Europeans to go over to America and build the railroads, then complained when they worked too hard and banned them from immigrating in any larger numbers. Then they nuked Great Britain, probably because they were white. You'd never see them do that to an East Asian country.
I am afraid to ask how "extremely lucky" overcomes things like time and money.
The world is united under one banner: the United Nations.
The capital of the United Nations is in New York, a non-eurasian city of the non-eurasian hegemonic world power that organized it: the US.
It all depends on how loosely we can use the terms you used
There is evidence of an earlier human presence in what is now Alaska, prior to the ice melting enough to permit southward movement. I'm not up on South American archaeology, but my understanding is that there have been some suggestive (of earlier settlement) but not decisive finds there. Take that for what it's worth.
Time just flows. Money come and go. Lucky = more money come than they go with passing time.
Now serious: see the extent of the Islamic states and territories from Atlantic to China and Pasific.
Recepie: Constantine puts ERE capital in Alexandria. From there ERE is very succesful on land and sea...
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"Time just flows"?! Seriously? That's your answer to how you handle communications and moving armies across thousands of miles?!
And I point out to you the failure for there to be even a single Muslim state covering the Eurasian Muslim territories except for the caliphate at its height, which did not last.