The Nightmare Years.

Even the biggest nightmares can begin in a joyous, almost childlike manner. It is always dangerous to wish something to happen, as if you wish it your dream may come true.
 
On July 27th 1941, a train was speeding through East Prussia. On board were the leader of Nazi Germany, Adolf Hitler alongside his lieutenant Martin Bormann, their staff and the Fuehrer’s personal bodyguard. Ten minutes after the train had pulled out of the station it was shaken and blown off of its tracks. Throughout the mangled wreck of steel lay the bodies of many people. A few murmuring, crying for help under the warm summers sun. Amongst them lay Adolf Hitler, unconscious but alive. It would be thirty minutes before help would reach them. Upon arrival it was found that Bormann and several others were dead, but the Fuehrer was still breathing.
 
He was rushed to hospital where he would receive the treatment expected, in the hope that he would arise from his coma. The whole event was to be kept quiet. At this point Hermann Goering took effective command of the German nation.
 
And thus began the nightmare years.
 
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A Nazi Germany under someone worse than Hitler?

This is going to be very dark, indeed...:cool:
 
The man was a hardcore anti-semite with a fetish for totalitarianism, he would be little better.

Is Goering officially running the Reich or is he just governing in the shadows?
Hes in the shadows, well as much as a man like Goering could be. Russia has just been invaded, it woldn't sit well to be public or the world from the Nazi pov that the Fuehrer is incapacitated.
 
Goering is considered worse than Hitler now?
Well, the TL is titled "The Nightmare Years," and since Hitler's years in power were a nightmare as it is, I inferred that Goering's years in power were going to be even more nightmarish. Which is...frightening. :eek:
 
Hes in the shadows, well as much as a man like Goering could be. Russia has just been invaded, it woldn't sit well to be public or the world from the Nazi pov that the Fuehrer is incapacitated.

Make sense I suppose.

On the Soviet Union, I think even Hitler was more militarily capable than Goering...
 
Consider me intrigued by this. Perhaps this is headed toward Goering being pushed aside by Himmler behind the scenes with Hitler remaining alive as a figurehead?
 
Make sense I suppose.

On the Soviet Union, I think even Hitler was more militarily capable than Goering...


This case would be much like A Failure Before Moscow, headlong (and thoughtless) race toward Moscow ending in an epic disaster, from which the axis have no time to recover from.

If there is a nightmare in this scenario, it would be the UK declaring war against the Soviet-Union when the Red Army crosses the Rhine, leading to a rather prolonged WW2.
 
This case would be much like A Failure Before Moscow, headlong (and thoughtless) race toward Moscow ending in an epic disaster, from which the axis have no time to recover from.

Indeed, meanwhile Goering focuses on creating Luftwaffe Armoured Divisions and Amerika/Ural Bombers because the Luftwaffe need to win the war singlehandedly. :rolleyes:

If there is a nightmare in this scenario, it would be the UK declaring war against the Soviet-Union when the Red Army crosses the Rhine, leading to a rather prolonged WW2.

Indeed, Stalin reaching the Rhine is probably the worst thing that can happen.
 
Indeed, meanwhile Goering focuses on creating Luftwaffe Armoured Divisions and Amerika/Ural Bombers because the Luftwaffe need to win the war singlehandedly. :rolleyes:

:D

Indeed, Stalin reaching the Rhine is probably the worst thing that can happen.

Oh but it isn´t. Even if Stalin suddenly breake his pipe a few days after Hitler´s accident, revenge will still be bloody and someone like Churchill won´t accept a Germany under Red Army control, if Pearl Harbor still happen, the US is likely to join the UK at some points. Then, nukes are used for the sake of liberation, a lot of them.
 
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:D



Oh but it isn´t. Even if Stalin suddenly breake his pipe a few days after Hitler´s accident, revenge will still be bloody and someone like Churchill won´t accept a Germany under Red Army control, if Pearl Harbor still happen, the US is likely to join the UK at some points. Then, nukes are used for the sake of liberation, a lot of them.

Churchill might not be able to tolerate Stalin but he'll be too weak to do it on his own, not to mention explaining why he just attacked our gallant Soviet allies unprovoked. The Americans do have the capacity to take on Stalin, but an unprovoked attack would be even less popular, especially after seeing what they had done to the Germans.
 
Churchill might not be able to tolerate Stalin but he'll be too weak to do it on his own, not to mention explaining why he just attacked our gallant Soviet allies unprovoked. The Americans do have the capacity to take on Stalin, but an unprovoked attack would be even less popular, especially after seeing what they had done to the Germans.

Truth, parliament would probably be able to stop him.
 
Well, the TL is titled "The Nightmare Years," and since Hitler's years in power were a nightmare as it is, I inferred that Goering's years in power were going to be even more nightmarish. Which is...frightening. :eek:
It might not actually be worse. After all, if we lived in a timeline where one million Jews were killed in the Holocaust rather than six, or thirty million in the Second World War rather than fifty (I don't know the actual numbers here), we'd think it pretty nightmarish - and we might believe that it wouldn't have gone as horribly if Hitler hadn't been comatose.
 
To be honest, I haven't got the patience to write this one out, so instead I'll just give you the basic premise.

Goering takes charge of the German Army. As per otl, in September the Germans are offered a peace dewal by the Soviets, which this time is accepted(Goering was more sceptical about the Soviet War than Hitler by all accounts).

Pearl Harbor happens, but Germany does not declare war on the USA, leading to Britain fighting two wars rather than one with the USA not declaring war on Germany.

Eventually, the war fizzles out ala the Korean War, with the Americans brokering a peace deal in the late forties.

From then on in it was to be the tale of this vision of Nazi Germany. Hence the title, the Nightmare Years.

As I said though, am too busy to complete a timeline about this.
 
To be honest, I haven't got the patience to write this one out, so instead I'll just give you the basic premise.

Goering takes charge of the German Army. As per otl, in September the Germans are offered a peace dewal by the Soviets, which this time is accepted(Goering was more sceptical about the Soviet War than Hitler by all accounts).

Pearl Harbor happens, but Germany does not declare war on the USA, leading to Britain fighting two wars rather than one with the USA not declaring war on Germany.

Eventually, the war fizzles out ala the Korean War, with the Americans brokering a peace deal in the late forties.

From then on in it was to be the tale of this vision of Nazi Germany. Hence the title, the Nightmare Years.

As I said though, am too busy to complete a timeline about this.

When did the Soviet Union offer the Germans a peace deal?
 
When did the Soviet Union offer the Germans a peace deal?
They did in otl, at least according to a book on the war by Lawrence Rees. Apparently an offer was drafted, but whether it was sent I dunno. I suspect Hitler would have ignored it.

I just thought it would make an interesting PoD.
 
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