The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II
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So, I didn't know who Vladimir Gil was, so I googled and turns out that he was a soviet partisan, so why is he a corporate statist ingame?
AeroTheZealousOne
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My guess? It's possibly a holdover from the late 2010s practice of grabbing random Soviet figures and assigning ideologies to them frivolously, like that one guy who led the Aryan Brotherhood in the demos before being swapped out because his descendents reached out and was confused or appalled (or both?) about his portrayal in TNO at that time.
A wilder, less plausible theory on my end is the loss of the Soviet Union in World War II ITTL combined with the outcome of the conflicts in the 1950s and the ensuing Anarchy probably fucked some people's minds up to the point where they either became disillusioned with the Bukharinist system entirely or they just simply lost their minds, for some people at least outwardly. (Which reminds me, I've never done a playthrough of Kemerovo yet, might have to do that sometime...)
I imagine Gil might get the chopping block or a rework in a future leak, but its implementation wouldn't be for a few years at the current rate of development and release as you may be well aware.
Ladies and gentlemen
Normal people and Cariocas
I come here with a small TNO internal fact
This is Getúlio Vargas, you all know him and have many different opinions on the guy, but today I'm here to talk about his clothes.
"Gukpa, nobody asked that..."
So, basically he uses a bowtie and a white homburg hat, clothes quite weird for TNO. You had people dressed like that in OTL Brazil so it is allowed, even though it was not the most usual set of clothes.
"But Gukpa, why does he uses these not so usual but still present clothes in that timeline?"
I will answer, oh players who are surely very interested in the subject! Basically this was the original pic, from january 31st 1951
I asked the great Lecon Basin to make him something like a 1960s Ice cream vendor, like this guy who looks exactly like Vargas as @TheWildWestPyro showed me. That is how he got those clothes hahaha!
Normal people and Cariocas
I come here with a small TNO internal fact
This is Getúlio Vargas, you all know him and have many different opinions on the guy, but today I'm here to talk about his clothes.
"Gukpa, nobody asked that..."
So, basically he uses a bowtie and a white homburg hat, clothes quite weird for TNO. You had people dressed like that in OTL Brazil so it is allowed, even though it was not the most usual set of clothes.
"But Gukpa, why does he uses these not so usual but still present clothes in that timeline?"
I will answer, oh players who are surely very interested in the subject! Basically this was the original pic, from january 31st 1951
brooklyn99
Banned
We've waited a heck of a long time for this, but finally it is announced that TT3 will be released on October 14th.
AeroTheZealousOne
Monthly Donor
So I've been sitting on a little something for a few months, and that is a "Pros and Cons" list of all potential U.S. Presidents in TNO that we know of, between the 1962-1974 timeframe. I considered cross-posting this on Reddit but I couldn't be bothered to.
Please be aware that this is largely based on my own biases and observations, so your agreement with the points made may (and likely will) vary significantly. I did this just for fun and for the hopes of making some of you laugh too. As such, this isn't 100% a serious take, and the language used in parts of it is more harsh than I generally put into my writings, so do be aware of that too. I cleaned it up somewhat before posting.
One final note, most entries (save for Hart) aren't exactly updated with content from the upcoming Unfinished Business update. Some acknowledgements have been made, but the old R-D and NPP factions exist here, even though they will not in a week. I also spoiler-marked the entries to keep it from cluttering up the thread too much.
So without further ado, here's the pros and cons list I compiled who knows when, recently updated for formatting and spelling errors.
Please be aware that this is largely based on my own biases and observations, so your agreement with the points made may (and likely will) vary significantly. I did this just for fun and for the hopes of making some of you laugh too. As such, this isn't 100% a serious take, and the language used in parts of it is more harsh than I generally put into my writings, so do be aware of that too. I cleaned it up somewhat before posting.
One final note, most entries (save for Hart) aren't exactly updated with content from the upcoming Unfinished Business update. Some acknowledgements have been made, but the old R-D and NPP factions exist here, even though they will not in a week. I also spoiler-marked the entries to keep it from cluttering up the thread too much.
So without further ado, here's the pros and cons list I compiled who knows when, recently updated for formatting and spelling errors.
Richard M. Nixon, 36th President
+ Can pass a Civil Rights Act
+ Orientation towards foreign policy allows for empowerment of the OFN
+ Opponent in the 1960 Election was Strom Thurmond of all people
* Involves the United States in Malaya, Guyana, Madagascar, the Philippines, and South Africa, all of which can go very well or very badly
- Most achievements attributed to Vice-President JFK, including peaceful resolution to the Hawaiian Missile Crisis and Civil Rights Legislation
- Press hates him for some reason
- A bit racist and antisemitic, but more mild on the first point compared to Wallace or even Thurmond
- Is a crook
+ Can pass a Civil Rights Act
+ Orientation towards foreign policy allows for empowerment of the OFN
+ Opponent in the 1960 Election was Strom Thurmond of all people
* Involves the United States in Malaya, Guyana, Madagascar, the Philippines, and South Africa, all of which can go very well or very badly
- Most achievements attributed to Vice-President JFK, including peaceful resolution to the Hawaiian Missile Crisis and Civil Rights Legislation
- Press hates him for some reason
- A bit racist and antisemitic, but more mild on the first point compared to Wallace or even Thurmond
- Is a crook
John F. Kennedy, 37th President
+ Can, if timed correctly, do mild welfare reform
+ Popular with the American people
+ Exonerated from all of Nixon's scandals
- Has one of the shortest Presidencies in American history
- Assassinated just over a month into his term (by a Guyanese nationalist in the old lore, and white supremacist Bobby Cherry in the new one)
- His death makes America very depressed
+ Can, if timed correctly, do mild welfare reform
+ Popular with the American people
+ Exonerated from all of Nixon's scandals
- Has one of the shortest Presidencies in American history
- Assassinated just over a month into his term (by a Guyanese nationalist in the old lore, and white supremacist Bobby Cherry in the new one)
- His death makes America very depressed
John W. McCormack, 38th President
+ Caretaker President trying his best to keep America as un-screwed as possible
* Didn't really want the job in the first place
* The South African War and the protesters burning their draft cards probably takes up like ~65% of his administration's attention
+ Caretaker President trying his best to keep America as un-screwed as possible
* Didn't really want the job in the first place
* The South African War and the protesters burning their draft cards probably takes up like ~65% of his administration's attention
Lyndon B. Johnson, potential 39th President
+ The Great Society program here is essentially like the New Deal (which didn't happen in the old lore) but for the 1960s
+ The only President who can help establish PBS, and by proxy probably the only one who can indirectly make Mister Rogers a household name
- Says the N-word quite a lot for someone who politically supports civil rights; thankfully the dev team has enough taste not to reflect this in-game
- Apparently passing a wide-sweeping slew of reforms that America really needs isn't universally popular, and will result in the NPP taking control of Congress in the 1970 midterms
+ The Great Society program here is essentially like the New Deal (which didn't happen in the old lore) but for the 1960s
+ The only President who can help establish PBS, and by proxy probably the only one who can indirectly make Mister Rogers a household name
- Says the N-word quite a lot for someone who politically supports civil rights; thankfully the dev team has enough taste not to reflect this in-game
- Apparently passing a wide-sweeping slew of reforms that America really needs isn't universally popular, and will result in the NPP taking control of Congress in the 1970 midterms
Wallace F. Bennett, potential 39th President
+ Can truly unite the OFN into an alliance of equals
+ Can inadvertently end segregation in Australia
+ Can pass some form or another of Civil Rights legislation
* Can be America's first Mormon President
* Can choose not to rock the boat
* Doesn't pass any welfare reforms, but if played correctly a strong American economy can support said reforms if enacted by Bennett's successor in the 1970s or beyond...
- Doesn't pass any major social reforms outside of Civil Rights
- Can rock the boat and capsize it, potentially giving the 1968 NPP candidate all fifty states
+ Can truly unite the OFN into an alliance of equals
+ Can inadvertently end segregation in Australia
+ Can pass some form or another of Civil Rights legislation
* Can be America's first Mormon President
* Can choose not to rock the boat
* Doesn't pass any welfare reforms, but if played correctly a strong American economy can support said reforms if enacted by Bennett's successor in the 1970s or beyond...
- Doesn't pass any major social reforms outside of Civil Rights
- Can rock the boat and capsize it, potentially giving the 1968 NPP candidate all fifty states
Robert F. Kennedy, potential 39th President
+ Can pass a strong Civil Rights Act
+ Can crusade for Civil Rights
+ Can pass a War Powers Act with help from Republicans
+ Can pass strict environmental protection standards with help from Democrats
+ Can pass many welfare reforms, and is the only President who can potentially establish advanced universal healthcare coverage in the United States
* Universal Basic Income is great and all, but can the economy handle it? (Probably not.)
- Can get assassinated alongside Vice-President by an American Nazi if he's too much of a "pinko commie liberal" as his detractors might call him
- Strom Thurmond of all people takes over should RFK get shot
- Can have some shenanigans with COINTELPRO, for better and for worse, but usually just for worse
+ Can pass a strong Civil Rights Act
+ Can crusade for Civil Rights
+ Can pass a War Powers Act with help from Republicans
+ Can pass strict environmental protection standards with help from Democrats
+ Can pass many welfare reforms, and is the only President who can potentially establish advanced universal healthcare coverage in the United States
* Universal Basic Income is great and all, but can the economy handle it? (Probably not.)
- Can get assassinated alongside Vice-President by an American Nazi if he's too much of a "pinko commie liberal" as his detractors might call him
- Strom Thurmond of all people takes over should RFK get shot
- Can have some shenanigans with COINTELPRO, for better and for worse, but usually just for worse
George C. Wallace, potential 39th President
+ Can actually choose not be a racist pile of garbage over the course of his Presidency, choosing to ignore segregation entirely and focusing on other things like the economy, passing Medicare and Social Security, passing pro-union bills, negotiating with Japan for the Treaty Ports and Hawaii, strengthening the OFN, and reforming business regulations
+ The Supreme Court, if stacked liberally enough, can block all of his segregationist agenda (should he choose to pursue it) and may lead to his impeachment
* Can get thrown out of office for mishandling the Civil Rights issue, leading to the LeMay administration
- Cannot and will not strengthen environmental regulations
- Cannot reform the education system without getting segregation involved
- Can implement universal segregation, but at least he realizes he done fucked up by doing so in the end
- Not being a POS has the unfortunate side effect of radicalizing certain folks towards supporting Yockey
+ Can actually choose not be a racist pile of garbage over the course of his Presidency, choosing to ignore segregation entirely and focusing on other things like the economy, passing Medicare and Social Security, passing pro-union bills, negotiating with Japan for the Treaty Ports and Hawaii, strengthening the OFN, and reforming business regulations
+ The Supreme Court, if stacked liberally enough, can block all of his segregationist agenda (should he choose to pursue it) and may lead to his impeachment
* Can get thrown out of office for mishandling the Civil Rights issue, leading to the LeMay administration
- Cannot and will not strengthen environmental regulations
- Cannot reform the education system without getting segregation involved
- Can implement universal segregation, but at least he realizes he done fucked up by doing so in the end
- Not being a POS has the unfortunate side effect of radicalizing certain folks towards supporting Yockey
J. Strom Thurmond, potential 40th President
+ Can utterly fail to repeal the Civil Rights Act
+ Can't even get more than half a percentage point in a primary election, forcing him to bow out of the race
+ Can do something small to honor the late Bobby Kennedy, like dedicating a statue or establishing a holiday in his memory
+ Couldn't even beat Nixon in the 1960 Election in the old lore
* At least he has a lore rationale now for being President Pro Tempore of the Senate before becoming President, instead of just coming out of nowhere entirely
- Literally no redeeming qualities other than not being a Nazi
- Can somehow pack the Supreme Court with segregationists even with an NPP-C supermajority in Congress
- Can, and probably will, repeal the Civil Rights Act
- Hated by most Americans
- Will, in most cases, take a massive dump on RFK's legacy
+ Can utterly fail to repeal the Civil Rights Act
+ Can't even get more than half a percentage point in a primary election, forcing him to bow out of the race
+ Can do something small to honor the late Bobby Kennedy, like dedicating a statue or establishing a holiday in his memory
+ Couldn't even beat Nixon in the 1960 Election in the old lore
* At least he has a lore rationale now for being President Pro Tempore of the Senate before becoming President, instead of just coming out of nowhere entirely
- Literally no redeeming qualities other than not being a Nazi
- Can somehow pack the Supreme Court with segregationists even with an NPP-C supermajority in Congress
- Can, and probably will, repeal the Civil Rights Act
- Hated by most Americans
- Will, in most cases, take a massive dump on RFK's legacy
Curtis E. LeMay, potential 40th President
+ Hates Nazis
+ Can yell at Bormann and steal Khrushchev's OTL "We will bury you!" line
+ Can pass a Civil Rights Act at the cost of his own political career
* Can't and won't run for a term of his own
* Has more in common with Scoop Jackson than he previously thought
* Hates the Japanese too, but can nonetheless act pragmatically and try to get the Treaty Ports and Hawaii back if Wallace didn't
- Politically incorrect
- His plan for the South African War isn't exactly humane, but then again neither is war
- Overt Nationalism in American education might not be the greatest thing long-term
+ Hates Nazis
+ Can yell at Bormann and steal Khrushchev's OTL "We will bury you!" line
+ Can pass a Civil Rights Act at the cost of his own political career
* Can't and won't run for a term of his own
* Has more in common with Scoop Jackson than he previously thought
* Hates the Japanese too, but can nonetheless act pragmatically and try to get the Treaty Ports and Hawaii back if Wallace didn't
- Politically incorrect
- His plan for the South African War isn't exactly humane, but then again neither is war
- Overt Nationalism in American education might not be the greatest thing long-term
John H. Glenn Jr, potential 40th or 41st President
+ Can revive NASA, bringing the United States roaring back into the Space Race and potentially lead to a Mars Landing
+ The only President who can instigate a nuclear disarmament conference and potentially be successful at it
+ Domestic reform packages are solid, including pensions for retirees, Medicare, Social Security, price controls for perscription medicine, ending right-to-work, and restricting or even banning corporate lobbying
+ Patches before Toolbox Theory also allowed the administration to implement a six-hour workday nationally
+ Can seek to undo some damage potentially done by George Wallace or Strom Thormond to the country by passing a new Civil Rights Act
+ Can also try to pass his own Civil Rights Act if Bobby Kennedy somehow failed to do so
+ Was the first man in space in this world back in outdated lore, all the way back in the 1950s
+ Has the most content of any President who can be elected in 1968
+ Puts on some cool aviators in the event of a zombie apocalypse
* Is from Ohio
* Path is somewhat implausible and doesn't fully represent who Glenn! was as a person and as a politician, but is still wholesome nevertheless
- No agenda to deal with directly improving education
- No agenda to implement environmental protection legislation
- Can't negotiate with Japan for the Treaty Ports or Hawaii
- NASA is seen by some as a massive money sink with positive effects not apparent at first
- Nuclear energy is expensive, and building lots of nukes to bring the Pakt and the Sphere to the negotiating table is even more so
- The second most likely of all Presidents to inadvertently start World War III, this time over uranium and nuclear sabotage abroad
- The Glenn! Presidency is being evicted from reality in the coming update, which makes the above regrettably irrelevant.
+ Can revive NASA, bringing the United States roaring back into the Space Race and potentially lead to a Mars Landing
+ The only President who can instigate a nuclear disarmament conference and potentially be successful at it
+ Domestic reform packages are solid, including pensions for retirees, Medicare, Social Security, price controls for perscription medicine, ending right-to-work, and restricting or even banning corporate lobbying
+ Patches before Toolbox Theory also allowed the administration to implement a six-hour workday nationally
+ Can seek to undo some damage potentially done by George Wallace or Strom Thormond to the country by passing a new Civil Rights Act
+ Can also try to pass his own Civil Rights Act if Bobby Kennedy somehow failed to do so
+ Was the first man in space in this world back in outdated lore, all the way back in the 1950s
+ Has the most content of any President who can be elected in 1968
+ Puts on some cool aviators in the event of a zombie apocalypse
* Is from Ohio
* Path is somewhat implausible and doesn't fully represent who Glenn! was as a person and as a politician, but is still wholesome nevertheless
- No agenda to deal with directly improving education
- No agenda to implement environmental protection legislation
- Can't negotiate with Japan for the Treaty Ports or Hawaii
- NASA is seen by some as a massive money sink with positive effects not apparent at first
- Nuclear energy is expensive, and building lots of nukes to bring the Pakt and the Sphere to the negotiating table is even more so
- The second most likely of all Presidents to inadvertently start World War III, this time over uranium and nuclear sabotage abroad
- The Glenn! Presidency is being evicted from reality in the coming update, which makes the above regrettably irrelevant.
Philip A. Hart, potential 40th or 41st President
+ Can work to improve urban infrastructure and actually give America working public transportation
+ In a future update he and every other President besides Nixon, JFK, and McCormack can try and land some people on the Moon, so at least Glenn! getting cut wasn't a complete loss.Yes I'm mildly bitter about that still, how can you tell?
* Is from Michigan, the mortal enemy of Ohio
* Not much else is known; we'll have to wait and see for the update to drop. I'll give him a a chance, run either Kennedy or Wallace for a term and then aim to be able to travel from Cincinnati to Chicago on a bullet train within two hours by 1976
+ Can work to improve urban infrastructure and actually give America working public transportation
+ In a future update he and every other President besides Nixon, JFK, and McCormack can try and land some people on the Moon, so at least Glenn! getting cut wasn't a complete loss.
* Is from Michigan, the mortal enemy of Ohio
* Not much else is known; we'll have to wait and see for the update to drop. I'll give him a a chance, run either Kennedy or Wallace for a term and then aim to be able to travel from Cincinnati to Chicago on a bullet train within two hours by 1976
Barry M. Goldwater, potential 40th or 41st President
+ Can pass environmental protection legislation
+ Can take on extremism, in the defense of liberty of course
+ Can be a mild version of Wallace Bennett in certain aspects, such as sensibly handling the economy
+ Tells Bormann in no uncertain terms to go fuck himself if Bormann tries to do diplomacy with Goldwater
- Can attempt to undo some of RFK's work, especially if RFK's Presidency was unsuccessful
- Has a whole part of his tree dedicated to union busting
- Can't get the Treaty Ports and Hawaii back from Japan; hope his NPP predecessor was able to get around to it!
- Clamping down on either the radical right or radical left empowers the other side and might push them over the edge needed to get nominated at the next party convention in '72
- Can enact neoliberal "Reganomics"
+ Can pass environmental protection legislation
+ Can take on extremism, in the defense of liberty of course
+ Can be a mild version of Wallace Bennett in certain aspects, such as sensibly handling the economy
+ Tells Bormann in no uncertain terms to go fuck himself if Bormann tries to do diplomacy with Goldwater
- Can attempt to undo some of RFK's work, especially if RFK's Presidency was unsuccessful
- Has a whole part of his tree dedicated to union busting
- Can't get the Treaty Ports and Hawaii back from Japan; hope his NPP predecessor was able to get around to it!
- Clamping down on either the radical right or radical left empowers the other side and might push them over the edge needed to get nominated at the next party convention in '72
- Can enact neoliberal "Reganomics"
E. Michael Harrington, potential 40th or 41st President
+ Works to improve life for all Americans, particularly the poor and downtrodden
+ Will do everything he can to boost "The Other America"
+ 700,000 people attend his first inauguration
+ Can pass sweeping progressive reforms in the span of a single term, but can get elected for two
+ Can build on RFK's legacy and undo 99.9% of Strom Thurmond's damage to the country with Affirmative Action, assuming the Supreme Court wasn't packed and NPP popularity isn't down the gutter
* Can either discard or water down Bennett's trade policies, if Bennett preceded Harrington
+ Can attempt to get the Treaty Ports and maybe Hawaii back, which is big since his predecessor (Bennett in ~99% of cases) wasn't able to
* Compared by detractors to Gus Hall despite being comparatively more moderate on this whole "socialism" thing than Hall
* A focus somewhere in his focus tree takes a subtle jab at the "charm" (or lack thereof) of Cleveland, Ohio, which I found funny as an Ohioan myself, but it doesn't have any real weight here even if I thought it was worth mentioning anyway
- Cannot pass environmental protection legislation
- Rich people aren't big fans of him for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who's ever played a Harrington campaign
- Needs more confidence in himself
- Not a real baller like Hubert Humphrey
+ Works to improve life for all Americans, particularly the poor and downtrodden
+ Will do everything he can to boost "The Other America"
+ 700,000 people attend his first inauguration
+ Can pass sweeping progressive reforms in the span of a single term, but can get elected for two
+ Can build on RFK's legacy and undo 99.9% of Strom Thurmond's damage to the country with Affirmative Action, assuming the Supreme Court wasn't packed and NPP popularity isn't down the gutter
* Can either discard or water down Bennett's trade policies, if Bennett preceded Harrington
+ Can attempt to get the Treaty Ports and maybe Hawaii back, which is big since his predecessor (Bennett in ~99% of cases) wasn't able to
* Compared by detractors to Gus Hall despite being comparatively more moderate on this whole "socialism" thing than Hall
* A focus somewhere in his focus tree takes a subtle jab at the "charm" (or lack thereof) of Cleveland, Ohio, which I found funny as an Ohioan myself, but it doesn't have any real weight here even if I thought it was worth mentioning anyway
- Cannot pass environmental protection legislation
- Rich people aren't big fans of him for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who's ever played a Harrington campaign
- Needs more confidence in himself
- Not a real baller like Hubert Humphrey
Margaret C. Smith, potential 40th or 41st President
+ Can take the NPP in most directions
+ Can pass some good legislation with Harrington
+ Can utterly shatter the glass ceiling by being the first woman President
+ Can do some progressive stuff
* Moves the Right wing of the party away from civil rights issues and towards being pro-business
- Can undo part of or all of LBJ's Great Society if LBJ preceded MCS
- Can utterly break the party
- Can make a Faustian bargain with Yockey to (re-)galvanize support for the NPP in exchange for a skyrocketing of anti-Japanese sentiment in the USA
- Is the most likely to start World War III due to her sabre-rattling warhawk position
+ Can take the NPP in most directions
+ Can pass some good legislation with Harrington
+ Can utterly shatter the glass ceiling by being the first woman President
+ Can do some progressive stuff
* Moves the Right wing of the party away from civil rights issues and towards being pro-business
- Can undo part of or all of LBJ's Great Society if LBJ preceded MCS
- Can utterly break the party
- Can make a Faustian bargain with Yockey to (re-)galvanize support for the NPP in exchange for a skyrocketing of anti-Japanese sentiment in the USA
- Is the most likely to start World War III due to her sabre-rattling warhawk position
George S. McGovern, potential 41st or 42nd President
+ The only candidate for the 1972 Elections that isn't preparing America for another costly war
+ Likely able to help win the Cold War for the OFN using America'a soft power abroad
* Implied favored successor of Lyndon Johnson in the old lore, assuming LBJ serves two full terms beforehand
- Can fail in his endeavors and discredit peace movements at home
- His content was cut in the coming update, rendering all of the above moot
+ The only candidate for the 1972 Elections that isn't preparing America for another costly war
+ Likely able to help win the Cold War for the OFN using America'a soft power abroad
* Implied favored successor of Lyndon Johnson in the old lore, assuming LBJ serves two full terms beforehand
- Can fail in his endeavors and discredit peace movements at home
- His content was cut in the coming update, rendering all of the above moot
Robert S. McNamara, potential 41st or 42nd President
* Is getting cut in the Unfinished Business update
* I've never played McNamara, so I got nothin' else. Sorry folks
* Is getting cut in the Unfinished Business update
* I've never played McNamara, so I got nothin' else. Sorry folks
Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson, potential 41st or 42nd President
* His Presidency can be described poorly as follows: He will provide every American a TV in the hopes of being able to show every citizen the broadcast of Tokyo getting nuked in 197X.
- OTL neoconservative warhawk
- Lost to Nixon in 1960 in the new lore
* His Presidency can be described poorly as follows: He will provide every American a TV in the hopes of being able to show every citizen the broadcast of Tokyo getting nuked in 197X.
- OTL neoconservative warhawk
- Lost to Nixon in 1960 in the new lore
Jeane D. Kirkpatrick, potential 41st or 42nd President
+ Can use the CIA to remove a pro-Nazi dictatorship from the Dominican Republic
* One of two people so far who can become the first female President of the United States (three in the next update)
- The implications of her use of the CIA, especially following RFK's COINTELPRO shenanigans, is downright horrifying
+ Can use the CIA to remove a pro-Nazi dictatorship from the Dominican Republic
* One of two people so far who can become the first female President of the United States (three in the next update)
- The implications of her use of the CIA, especially following RFK's COINTELPRO shenanigans, is downright horrifying
Gus Hall, potential 41st or 42nd President
+ Can pass revolutionary civil rights legislation into law to make rightists mad
+ Policies during his term can bring U.S. war criminals from the South African conflict to trial
* Probably shouldn't be prevalent at all in this mod due to him historically being a Stalinist and not a Bukharinist IOTL
+ Can remove J. Edgar Hoover as FBI Director...
- ...but starts up a Lavender Scare to do it, prior to the Unfinished Business update
- Will likely drag the United States back into isolationism, effectively bowing out of the Cold War
- Second worst path the US can go down so far, behind a Yockey Administration
+ Can pass revolutionary civil rights legislation into law to make rightists mad
+ Policies during his term can bring U.S. war criminals from the South African conflict to trial
* Probably shouldn't be prevalent at all in this mod due to him historically being a Stalinist and not a Bukharinist IOTL
+ Can remove J. Edgar Hoover as FBI Director...
- ...but starts up a Lavender Scare to do it, prior to the Unfinished Business update
- Will likely drag the United States back into isolationism, effectively bowing out of the Cold War
- Second worst path the US can go down so far, behind a Yockey Administration
Francis P. Yockey, potential 41st or 42nd President
- No redeeming qualities whatsoever
- Somehow a shittier human being than Strom Thurmond
- He's so goddamn repulsive that even the Third Reich sends a delegation to his inauguration, assuming the Reich hasn't fallen apart yet
- Can pass legislation censoring the media
- His cabinet is implied to be full of Burgundian puppets; this may be outdated lore though
- If elected, odds are the country is FUBAR by the decade's end
- Worst U.S. President in the nation's history as of early 1973
- No redeeming qualities whatsoever
- Somehow a shittier human being than Strom Thurmond
- He's so goddamn repulsive that even the Third Reich sends a delegation to his inauguration, assuming the Reich hasn't fallen apart yet
- Can pass legislation censoring the media
- His cabinet is implied to be full of Burgundian puppets; this may be outdated lore though
- If elected, odds are the country is FUBAR by the decade's end
- Worst U.S. President in the nation's history as of early 1973
Helmut H. W. Schmidt
+ Has cooler shades than John Glenn
+ Actually committed to making Germany a democracy through reform
+ Implied to have called Albert Speer a puppet to his face in the Gang of Four's final event
+ Is sorta best buds with Willy Brandt and if not supervised can free the enslaved Europeans
+ Hates Nazism, like seriously though fuck that shit
- Can't be elected U.S. President, defeating the entire purpose of adding him to this list
+ Has cooler shades than John Glenn
+ Actually committed to making Germany a democracy through reform
+ Implied to have called Albert Speer a puppet to his face in the Gang of Four's final event
+ Is sorta best buds with Willy Brandt and if not supervised can free the enslaved Europeans
+ Hates Nazism, like seriously though fuck that shit
- Can't be elected U.S. President, defeating the entire purpose of adding him to this list
G. Alexander Trebek
* Not even present in the mod
+ Would probably make a great Canadian Prime Minister though, if not in TNO then maybe in Red World
* The greytides writing Canada's loc in the mid-2020s should really write a heartwarming event or two with him either as a quiz show host or as a newscaster
* Can't be elected U.S. President since the 5th Amendment prevents Double Jeopardy
* Not even present in the mod
+ Would probably make a great Canadian Prime Minister though, if not in TNO then maybe in Red World
* The greytides writing Canada's loc in the mid-2020s should really write a heartwarming event or two with him either as a quiz show host or as a newscaster
* Can't be elected U.S. President since the 5th Amendment prevents Double Jeopardy
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Well thats not quite accurate while it will start as the Empire and will remain so if the fascists win out, the democrats may change it since Umberto and his father was not a big fan of it I am unsure on the specifics however
I hope it is optional, I gonna go for a democracy but I want to keep the "Empire" name.
AeroTheZealousOne
Monthly Donor
President George Romney's focus tree for his first 100 days in office has been leaked:
A reminder that, for those who have forgotten, all U.S. Presidents first elected in 1972 only get a brief tree to allow for "wrapping up" the story of the country over the course of the 1960s and early '70s.
Honestly? He seems pretty alright, especially if his portrayal in our site's very own Blue Skies in Camelot is anything to go by.
A reminder that, for those who have forgotten, all U.S. Presidents first elected in 1972 only get a brief tree to allow for "wrapping up" the story of the country over the course of the 1960s and early '70s.
Honestly? He seems pretty alright, especially if his portrayal in our site's very own Blue Skies in Camelot is anything to go by.
brooklyn99
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It's detailed right on the Reddit link I posted.
Skeleton content. Specifically in how the superpowers (USA, Germany and Japan) struggle to influence the region for their benefit.
Nice addition to the mod. Though my head does still hurt from the nonsensical Afghan northern expansion.
First of all it would be butterflied away, second of all
Even then I don't imagine the post war world would be any different.