The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II

I don't think Lovestone can be an option for president given he wasn't born in the United States. However I do think he should be a prominent figure on the American Far Left and the ramifications of Bukharian winning out instead Stalin on the factionalism in the American communist movement should actually be taken into account.
Maybe he could be a "man behind the man" figure who is a big figure "behind the scenes"?
 
I don't think Lovestone can be an option for president given he wasn't born in the United States. However I do think he should be a prominent figure on the American Far Left and the ramifications of Bukharian winning out instead Stalin on the factionalism in the American communist movement should actually be taken into account.

Hmm, for a particularly bad communist option, how about Jim Jones?

I mean, I think the reason Hall works as the Far Left's guy is that he was a consumate weathervane. Sure he was pro Stalin while Stalin was in power, but IIRC he was Pro Kruschev, pro-Brezhnev, and pro-Gorby. If Bukharin wins, he's probably a Bukharin guy as well.
 
Assuming the US rework comes for Hall and Yockey to be put on the chopping block, who would you want them to be replaced with?

Note that this is assuming that the radical bad ends are kept, there is a chance the tankie and nazi failstates could be axed altogether.

For Hall I’d have him replaced with Lovestone(the main Bukharin guy in the 30s) or some black communist(reflective of radical civil rights struggle on the left)

For Yockey, I’d say JB stoner or Matthias Kohel fits well as an alternative.
An interesting way to go about it might be not to replace Yockey with an explicit pro-nazi, but rather take the existing neocon trends of the NPP and have them slowly radicalize. Basically, take someone like Kirkpatrick, and if her foreign policy either receives a lot of blowback, or conversely succeeds really hard, have the NPP slowly become consumed by an outright imperialist mentality.
 
I understand why they won't because of the "Le Long Dong" memes, but I feel like Russel Long should make some kind of appearance. He was arguably more influential than his father, and for a good while was the most powerful man in the US Senate (honestly surprised he didn't make a presidential bid OTL). He also seems the perfect fit for the "Right-Wing Populist" mold the FR-NPP take after the dixiecrats lose influence.
 
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I understand why they won't because of the "Le Long Dong" memes, but I feel like Russel Long should make some kind of appearance. He was arguably more influential than his father, and for a good while was the most powerful man in the US Senate (honestly surprised he didn't make a presidential bid OTL). He also seems the perfect fit for the "Right-Wing Populist" mold the FR-NPP take after the dixiecrats lose influence.
The torch of liberty submod gonna have him electable in 1968
 
im not gona lie i dont like a lot of the changes like..at all(nothing agenst pacifica or the rest of the team,but i sort of prefer panzer lore)tho some things in asia i was loking forwerds to
 
I'm not as well informed on Hall, but I know Yockey was chosen because no other mod or, really even media in general, had used him before.

If he gets cut, that speaks gravely to the new devs caring about the flavor of the mod. Already on my shit list with Atlantaropa being cut.
 
I'm not as well informed on Hall, but I know Yockey was chosen because no other mod or, really even media in general, had used him before.

If he gets cut, that speaks gravely to the new devs caring about the flavor of the mod. Already on my shit list with Atlantaropa being cut.
Okay let me make it clear, I'm part of the TNO team, not a big part, basically just PR, but still a part of the team. So when I say "Yockey and Hall are not gonna be cut" I feel like my words should carry some weight. No one really wants to cut Yockey or Hall and several team members are strongly against even considering the notion. Who would we replace Yockey with, Rockwell? Rockwell is boring.

Atlantropa was cut because it was all but impossible for the teams working in the region to actually work with and actually addressing it lore wise would have been basically impossible as well without radically changing the lore. This doesn't mean we're on some sort of realism spree. We don't want to be bound by things we don't think work but that doesn't mean everything is being changed
 
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Okay let me make it clear, I'm part of the TNO team, not a big part, basically just PR, but still a part of the team. So when I say "Yockey and Hall are not gonna be cut" I feel like my words should carry some weight. No one really wants to cut Yockey or Hall and several team members are strongly against even considering the notion. Who would we replace Yockey with, Rockwell? Rockwell is boring.

Atlantropa was cut because it was all but impossible for the teams working in the region to actually work with and actually addressing it lore wise would have been basically impossible as well without radically changing the lore. This doesn't mean we're on some sort of realism spree. We don't want to be bound by things we don't think work but that doesn't mean everything is being changed
That's good to hear.
 
I once heard that Ante Pavelic adopted a school curriculum that classified Croats as ostrogoths, not slavs, is that true?
He did. It was that, and the view that Slavs were inferior, with Pavelic wanting Croats to not be categorized as similar to Serbs.
Count Galeazzo Ciano noted in his diary that "The Duce is indignant with Pavelić, because he claims that the Croats are descendants of the Goths. This will have the effect of bringing them into the German orbit".... The Ustaše accepted that Croats are part of the Dinaric race,[41] but rejected the idea that Croats are primarily Slavic, claiming they are primarily descended from Germanic roots with the Goths.
 
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Right, so this was applied by all his ministers of education, right?
There isn't much info about their education, but I think it's safe to say that Pavelic and the Ustase enforced this view. Mile Budak who was Minister of Education and Faith enforced Racial Laws and made liberal use of Anti-Serb Rhetoric, there isn't much on Croats being Goths on their education policy but with Anti-Serb propaganda and views, I think its safe to say they enforce this narrative of Gothic Croats.
 
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Assuming the US rework comes for Hall and Yockey to be put on the chopping block, who would you want them to be replaced with?
George Lincoln Rockwell.

Yoki was basically not a National Socialist at all, but rather a Euro-fascist, for a united Greater Europe + USSR against capitalist America-Britain.
He was also an individualist and theorist. This is clearly not a figure that will gain popularity.

Rockwell is another matter. He was a pure Nazi and the symbol of the American Nazi Party was literally the flag of the Third Reich. He was also a real American military man who fought the Japanese and a charismatic psychopath.

In reality, he was quite famous and outrageous. There were rumors that he was killed by the CIA for his popularity.
I believe that Rockwell will fit well into the concept of the popular American far right. Paradoxically, the American public will like the Nazi psychopath for his charisma and outrageousness, he is like a rock star.

This will be the key to the popularity of the far-right NPP. Those. yes, the average american hates the krauts and the reich, but this guy is so crazy and incendiary that it might be worth voting for him? Something like this logic can be realistic, and the theoretical botanist Yoki, with his abstruse concepts, has no chance for the average voter.
 
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George Lincoln Rockwell.

Yoki was basically not a National Socialist at all, but rather a Euro-fascist, for a united Greater Europe + USSR against capitalist America-Britain.
He was also an individualist and theorist. This is clearly not a figure that will gain popularity.

Rockwell is another matter. He was a pure Nazi and the symbol of the American Nazi Party was literally the flag of the Third Reich. He was also a real American military man who fought the Japanese and a charismatic psychopath.

In reality, he was quite famous and outrageous. There were rumors that he was killed by the CIA for his popularity.
I believe that Rockwell will fit well into the concept of the popular American far right. Paradoxically, the American public will like the Nazi psychopath for his charisma and outrageousness, he is like a rock star.

This will be the key to the popularity of the far-right NPP. Those. yes, the average american hates the krauts and the reich, but this guy is so crazy and incendiary that it might be worth voting for him? Something like this logic can be realistic, and the theoretical botanist Yoki, with his abstruse concepts, has no chance for the average voter.
No. Rockwell is dead in TNO lore and frankly no one has much interest in doing anything with him, he was frankly a rather boring figure once you got past the hate bus. We're not cutting Yockey, or Hall. Is Yockey implausible as a presidential candidate? Maybe but that's not why he's there.
 
Hall's Lavender Scare is getting removed and replaced.
I just hope they don't sanitize Hall and bend over to the clowns within the fanbase who whine that the LNPP ought to be a "blessed path" because no way their holsum 100 revolution could ever be a shitty failstate.
 
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