Adding my own 2 cents to the Shaffy ideology discussion, I'm not entirely sure why they changed his ideology at all. The subideology "Populist Fascism" fits him perfectly, in fact it feels like it was pretty much made for him and his route.
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Interesting information, I decided to read the ABC of Fascism by Rodz. Turns out this guy wasn't an ethno-nationalist. It was planned to create a federal Fascist Russian state.
Here is a quote from the book (the book is an analogue of Mein Kampf)
The only exception is the Jews. Rodzaevsky absolutely hated them. He does not hide what will happen to the Jews if he comes to power:
Here is a quote from the book (the book is an analogue of Mein Kampf)
48. What is the Russian nation?
The Russian nation is the spiritual unity of all Russian people based on the consciousness of a common historical destiny, a common national culture, traditions, and so on.
Thus, the Russian nation includes not only Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians, but also other peoples of Russia: Georgians, Armenians, Tatars, etc.
The Russian nation is the spiritual unity of all Russian people based on the consciousness of a common historical destiny, a common national culture, traditions, and so on.
Thus, the Russian nation includes not only Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians, but also other peoples of Russia: Georgians, Armenians, Tatars, etc.
49. Why should the Russian nation include all the peoples inhabiting Russia?
Russian fascists believe that although the main elements of the Russian nation were the Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians, who made the most valuable contribution to the Russian national culture and most of all contributed to the creation of the Russian national state, the Russian nation also includes other peoples of Russia, who also took part in her historical life. The connection of these peoples with the central core of the Russian nation grew stronger and stronger over time.
The process of self-organization of the Russian nation proceeds on the basis of a long joint historical life, within the limits of one state and economic ties that closely connected all the peoples of the Russian nation.
Thus, all the peoples of Russia represent a single national organism, and our historical task is to strengthen this organism in the future.
Russian fascists believe that although the main elements of the Russian nation were the Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians, who made the most valuable contribution to the Russian national culture and most of all contributed to the creation of the Russian national state, the Russian nation also includes other peoples of Russia, who also took part in her historical life. The connection of these peoples with the central core of the Russian nation grew stronger and stronger over time.
The process of self-organization of the Russian nation proceeds on the basis of a long joint historical life, within the limits of one state and economic ties that closely connected all the peoples of the Russian nation.
Thus, all the peoples of Russia represent a single national organism, and our historical task is to strengthen this organism in the future.
51. What does Russian fascism bring to individual peoples of Russia?
All the peoples of Russia who take part in the national revolution will receive cultural, administrative and political autonomy.
Each people in the Russian national-labor state will enjoy a certain degree of independence and independence, insofar as this independence will not run counter to the national interests.
Cultural autonomy will enable every nation to educate the younger generation in its own language, to have literature in it, and so on.
Thus, Russian fascists admit the possibility of organizing a Russian national labor state on a federal basis, believing that a federal organization can be the most expedient form of political unification of the Russian nation under existing conditions.
All the peoples of Russia who take part in the national revolution will receive cultural, administrative and political autonomy.
Each people in the Russian national-labor state will enjoy a certain degree of independence and independence, insofar as this independence will not run counter to the national interests.
Cultural autonomy will enable every nation to educate the younger generation in its own language, to have literature in it, and so on.
Thus, Russian fascists admit the possibility of organizing a Russian national labor state on a federal basis, believing that a federal organization can be the most expedient form of political unification of the Russian nation under existing conditions.
The only exception is the Jews. Rodzaevsky absolutely hated them. He does not hide what will happen to the Jews if he comes to power:
52. The position of the Jews in the national labor state.
Only those peoples who became part of Russia with their own lands are considered full members of the Russian nation, and since the Jewish land is located outside Russia - in Palestine, the Jews do not enjoy any rights granted to individual peoples of Russia.
Russian fascists consider the Jews to be the main culprits of the destruction of the Russian nation, therefore they will tolerate them on the territory of Russia only as unwanted foreigners.
Russian fascists are supporters of an active struggle against Jewry. Considering that the Russian population is currently gripped by anti-Semitism, hatred of Jewry, only a fascist solution to the Jewish question can be accepted by the Russian people (meaning the analogue of the final solution of the Nazis).
Only those peoples who became part of Russia with their own lands are considered full members of the Russian nation, and since the Jewish land is located outside Russia - in Palestine, the Jews do not enjoy any rights granted to individual peoples of Russia.
Russian fascists consider the Jews to be the main culprits of the destruction of the Russian nation, therefore they will tolerate them on the territory of Russia only as unwanted foreigners.
Russian fascists are supporters of an active struggle against Jewry. Considering that the Russian population is currently gripped by anti-Semitism, hatred of Jewry, only a fascist solution to the Jewish question can be accepted by the Russian people (meaning the analogue of the final solution of the Nazis).
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brooklyn99
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Interesting read. On the face of it, barring his venom towards Jews of course, these extracts look like they could come out of a typical liberal-democratic political manifesto. How did you come across this book?
I downloaded this book from a russian online library site. I do not know if it is in english in the original version.
"I check on Russia after 5 minutes and they are lead by a rogue American mercenary, some madman who thinks he's descended from a Viking, and a bunch of neopagan larpers. At least these "Black League" guys seem normal..."
A subideology idea for both the Fascist and NatSoc ideology: Collaborationism
"A label or term used to describe local Fascist or National Socialists in occupied nation-states working under a foreign Fascist/NatSoc regime controlling the local nation. The Collaborationists willingly work with a foreign Fascist/NatSoc Regime viewing shared ideology and mutual hatred of communism and "Judiac Influence" as a means to justify working for the occupier. The Fascist Collaborationists view collaboration with the foreign Fascist power as a means to make their own nation strong, although such a view is often proven wrong with the foreign occupier exploiting and abusing their partnership with the local Fascist Collaborator."
It could be used to describe Tixier-Vignancour who leads France at game start before he is replaced by Poujade, Sidos or Pinay.
"A label or term used to describe local Fascist or National Socialists in occupied nation-states working under a foreign Fascist/NatSoc regime controlling the local nation. The Collaborationists willingly work with a foreign Fascist/NatSoc Regime viewing shared ideology and mutual hatred of communism and "Judiac Influence" as a means to justify working for the occupier. The Fascist Collaborationists view collaboration with the foreign Fascist power as a means to make their own nation strong, although such a view is often proven wrong with the foreign occupier exploiting and abusing their partnership with the local Fascist Collaborator."
It could be used to describe Tixier-Vignancour who leads France at game start before he is replaced by Poujade, Sidos or Pinay.
That one is far to broad for anything.
It covers working for a occupying/hegemonic power regardless of what said power is.
This is mostly referring to a local Fascist operating as a puppet to a foreign Far-Right regime (Specifically a Fascist or Nazi regine).
That can cover Despotism dictatorship or a Red regime or even unfair democracies.
A collaborationist is literally no difference if they answer to the Fuhrer,the Japanese diet or US senate.
Then again Collaborationist is used in the context of Collaboration under German occupation.
brooklyn99
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It's just too generic a term to make sense being defined that way. Like, take the states after the WAW that replace the defeated when one side conquered the others (whether it be by the French, Cameroonians or the WAA). "Collaborationism" in the context of German dominance most certainly does not fit, yet said states in West Africa are collaborationist by virtue of being installed and closely aligned with the state that made their creation happen. Even then, collaborationism alone is too barebones to define them considering the importance differences that would exist between a Pan-African state installed by Cameroon and a Francophile state installed by Free France. Simply put, I'd say that collaboration can be so broadly defined and manifest in many different ways besides that pertaining to Germany, that it's not worth making it an ideology in it's own right in the same sense as to why an ideology simply called "Democracy" should exist due to the sheer number of ways that Democracy can be interpreted and practiced.
Looking at the full subideology list, which ones would you cut, and which ones would you bring back
(cut ones have a "*")
(cut ones have a "*")
I would replace liberal radicalism with market liberalism, I'm not really sure what the former is supposed to be.
A specific type of liberalism that was widely practiced in Latin America, namely the UCR in Argentina. LATAM subideologies tend to get dangerously overlooked.
National Catholicism is also meant to be for the Argentines. It's the ideology of a specific group of moralist, autocratic officers known as the Nacionalistas, who are most famous for deposing Peron in 1955.
I guess i would merge Maoism and Mao Zedong Tought into one thing and bring back Social and Market liberalism
Also, when was Welfare Chauvinism ever teased? I don't really remember seeing it anywhere
It was a early proposed subideology that was never implemented in-game in the first place, like the "Sovereign Democracy" for Stalina, added it mostly because i found it interesting.
It could also be used to describe the Iberian Regime of Franco and Salazar. Both Francoist Spain and Salazarist Portugal were after all Catholic and Nationalist.
For more ideologies, I would bring back the Social Liberal and Market Liberal Subideologies.
Also with the Socialism ideology, while there is Pan-Africanism, they could add back the African Socialism (Similar to Pan-Africanism, but African Socialism emphasizes African cooperation rather than Pan-Africanism's view of African unification kind of like the separation of Arab nationalist ideologies of Nasserism vs. Ba'athism.)