I have played him and why do you think generic dictator can not be interested in development and remaking of society?
The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II
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I have played him and why do you think generic dictator can not be interested in development and remaking of society?
I do find the split within the MSI interesting.
You have Three Camps within the MSI. The MSI Revolutionary/Movement factions predominant in Northern Italy and appealing to a Youth demographic and the old RSI veterans. The Movement Faction supported Fascism of 1919 and 1943-45, supporting the Republican Fascism of Sansepolcrismo and the RSI. You have the MSI Conservative/Regime faction in Southern Italy who supported the Fascist Regime of 1922-43 when the Fascists compromised with Clergy and Monarchy.
Then you had the MSI National Conservatives. Basically the kind of guys who despite being in a Neo-Fascist Party, they believed the MSI needed to move away from Fascism to mainstream Nationalism and Conservatism.
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Yeah. Though I would describe the MSI as a sort of party-like personification of Bombacci. Ever heard of him?
The only thing I know of is that he's an Italian Communist who turned Fascist.
Yeah , in a way the MSI could be described as nationalist leftist but went even further. Though yeah as you pointed out there were factions.
While you did have folks like Giorgio Almirante who were basically the Fascist Conservatives, the MSI did indeed have interesting folks like Pino Rauti who identified as "Leftist Fascist" and Franco Freda who identified himself as a "Nazi-Maoist". As well Borghese (Who eventually left the MSI and formed his own Fascist Movement arguing that they were too weak for "compromising" with Democracy), launching a failed coup. And then you had Ex-Fascists like Arturo Michelini and Augusto de Marsanich who sought to turn the MSI into a National-Conservative Party.
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The point is that after Ciano purges the facist old guard and his rivals, and he himself and the other high ranking mainstream fascists are ousted by the king during the democratization process, it opens the door for a lot of non-mainstream fascist characters and movements to enter into prominence in the nascent italian democracy
Gosh, that idea would piss off so many people.
Aka why I'm all for it. Just want to see the fallout, not gonna lie.
Well, I'm all for it to show how divergent the setting of TNO actually is with a Right Opposition USSR and all.
I suppose it would make sense to remake some of the existing despotists into fascists, although tbh there's enough ideological overlap between the different authoritarian right categories that imo it doesn't really matter that much. Plus, I somehow doubt that a lot of Russian warlords would be keen on associating themselves with the ideology of the people who brought down their country.
Bunyachenko is modeled extensively after South Korea under Park Chung-hee, He's a right wing dictator certainly but I'd be hard pressed to say he's facist.
Oh, I think it could definitely make for some interesting worldbuilding for TNO, don't get me wrong. I'd be interested to see the effects of it in TNOTL.
But still, I chuckle at the fact it would make a small but incredibly vocal amount of people upset. It'd be a nice little side dish to the main course, so to speak.
Do you think South African war stories (assuming we don't lose) would be about as prevalent as WW2 stories in our timeline?
SAW isn't really as all-encompassing as WW2 is. IMO you will probably see more focus on WW1 stories in the TNO Timeline
To be honest I was thinking from a purely US perspective since the SAW would be their first big win in forever. That and it didn't lead to WW2.
Well not lead to WW3
It is also the one where the USA faced harsh criticism due to war crimes shennanigans ala Vietnam also the memetic M16!shitty gun which has an event where the RK East Africa makes fun of their lack of supplies and laughing at the USA's terrible gun.
Chances are the war movies would be more along the lines of Vietnam war films with a focus on the tolls of war while still making the USA Good guys.
Just seeing the word Aristocratic makes me angry and want to punch something. Aristocratic Conservative if personified, to me I feel like it looks and sounds like a pretentious person. Plus Shaferavich should get a new sub ideology since the words Aristocrat does not match with his Far-Right Populist Demagoguery.