Some would thats why there are 5 White legacy factions in the anarchy.
The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II
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The most obvious options for the ultra-right Vyatka are the ROVS, the Security Corps and the RNA of Smyslovsky.
But many generals of the ROVS are already with Taboritsky.
Solzhenitsyn doesn't really make any sense. He came to his right-wing views much later, in the 70s-80s of the 20th century. Besides, he is a commoner. And in the TNO timeline, he could not be subjected to Stalin's repressions, and this influenced who he became. Without this, he would be an ordinary person. And Solzhenitsyn has never been as radical as he is presented in the modification. He looked like Shukshin
The Black Hundred was terribly irrelevant in the 1960s. This movement disappeared after the First World War.
Technically, the All-Russian National Union is already a party of Russian nationalists.
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A bit of Fridge Horror that someone else have pointed out over on TVTropes, that I thought would make for an interesting discussion:
When playing as Russia, just because Omsk gets defeated hopefully early on during the warlord stage, it does not in fact mean that the Black League is gone for good. As part of Plan HYDRA contingency, you have the most fanatical Black League members hiding out in their bunkers to keep their plans for the Great Trial alive. With them being so hard to stamp out that they even managed to survive Taboritsky's regime allowing them to reemerge after the Holy Russian Empire's collapse....
Meaning that when you are playing as any other relatively sane and benevolent Russian unifier, the Black League is still out there, hidden in their bunker complex deep inside the Ural Mountains, operating as an insane and deranged doomsday cult... With a unifier from outside of Western Siberia having very little to no idea about the kind of threat they could potenially represent.
Best case scenario: The Black League would become a much, much more heavily armed version of the Branch Davidians or the Peoples Temple hiding out in the Urals. Murdering unfortunate travelers as 'spies', raiding villages for supplies/'recruits' for the Great Trial, and developing their own home-brew chemical weapons in makeshift labs the same way that the Aum Shinrikyo cult did for the Tokyo subway attack. Requiring the government established by the eventual Russian unifier to send in the army in putting them down at gunpoint. In a fight that would be less 'Waco siege' and more 'Far Cry 5: Russian edition'.
Worst case scenario: Here is where the biggest issue with TNO Yeltsin comes in. His Prime Minister, Yevgeny Primakov, was a former Black League member. With Yeltsin making it a point to help his ally cover up his past affiliations by using the Internal Security Bureau to either bribe or assassinate everyone who knew the truth. In light of the assumption that the Black League might not be as dead and gone as previously assumed... Could we be certain that Primakov was not some deep cover Black League stay-behind contingency plan to infiltrate Sverdlovsk early on?
Even if Primakov really did cut ties with the Black League, this will still something that the Black League remnants hiding out in their bunker use to blackmail the president of a now unified and most likely nuclear armed Russia. And if he is not.... Well, we all know that Yeltsin is a massive alcoholic that have a reputation of being drunk all the time, to the point of his Russian Unification super event having him opening a bottle of vodka. It would not take much for a deep cover Primakov to say... Get Yeltsin drunk, put the nuclear launch key in front of his desk, trick him into thinking that the Germans have launched a first strike against Russia via a false alarm, and talk him into launching a retaliatory nuclear strike on Germania.
After all, when playing as Sverdlovsk, you are almost guaranteed to not be able to stop Black League infiltrators from penetrating your security early on due to the lack of Political Points until later on, when you can finally afford to crackdown on Omsk's influence. Even after you have purged the Black League supporters from your ranks, the ISB would have only purged the Military District's command structure, easily overlooking a Black League infiltrator chatting up and befriending a bunch of liberal political dissidents in a bar....
When playing as Russia, just because Omsk gets defeated hopefully early on during the warlord stage, it does not in fact mean that the Black League is gone for good. As part of Plan HYDRA contingency, you have the most fanatical Black League members hiding out in their bunkers to keep their plans for the Great Trial alive. With them being so hard to stamp out that they even managed to survive Taboritsky's regime allowing them to reemerge after the Holy Russian Empire's collapse....
Meaning that when you are playing as any other relatively sane and benevolent Russian unifier, the Black League is still out there, hidden in their bunker complex deep inside the Ural Mountains, operating as an insane and deranged doomsday cult... With a unifier from outside of Western Siberia having very little to no idea about the kind of threat they could potenially represent.
Best case scenario: The Black League would become a much, much more heavily armed version of the Branch Davidians or the Peoples Temple hiding out in the Urals. Murdering unfortunate travelers as 'spies', raiding villages for supplies/'recruits' for the Great Trial, and developing their own home-brew chemical weapons in makeshift labs the same way that the Aum Shinrikyo cult did for the Tokyo subway attack. Requiring the government established by the eventual Russian unifier to send in the army in putting them down at gunpoint. In a fight that would be less 'Waco siege' and more 'Far Cry 5: Russian edition'.
Worst case scenario: Here is where the biggest issue with TNO Yeltsin comes in. His Prime Minister, Yevgeny Primakov, was a former Black League member. With Yeltsin making it a point to help his ally cover up his past affiliations by using the Internal Security Bureau to either bribe or assassinate everyone who knew the truth. In light of the assumption that the Black League might not be as dead and gone as previously assumed... Could we be certain that Primakov was not some deep cover Black League stay-behind contingency plan to infiltrate Sverdlovsk early on?
Even if Primakov really did cut ties with the Black League, this will still something that the Black League remnants hiding out in their bunker use to blackmail the president of a now unified and most likely nuclear armed Russia. And if he is not.... Well, we all know that Yeltsin is a massive alcoholic that have a reputation of being drunk all the time, to the point of his Russian Unification super event having him opening a bottle of vodka. It would not take much for a deep cover Primakov to say... Get Yeltsin drunk, put the nuclear launch key in front of his desk, trick him into thinking that the Germans have launched a first strike against Russia via a false alarm, and talk him into launching a retaliatory nuclear strike on Germania.
After all, when playing as Sverdlovsk, you are almost guaranteed to not be able to stop Black League infiltrators from penetrating your security early on due to the lack of Political Points until later on, when you can finally afford to crackdown on Omsk's influence. Even after you have purged the Black League supporters from your ranks, the ISB would have only purged the Military District's command structure, easily overlooking a Black League infiltrator chatting up and befriending a bunch of liberal political dissidents in a bar....
I actually was the one who mentioned the Fridge Horror about the Redeemed Black League surviving Tabby's insanity in the first place meaning that Black League terrorism might be a big issue for Russia and the world in the future.
It would be an interesting event in a unified Russia, having to deal with a crisis where you have dozens of Black League sleeper cells and holdouts waging attacks, and laying siege to the Black League bunker networks in Western Siberia.
I can see this being the case in a Russian victory in the WRW2, in which the Russian victory (With victory painting the Great Trial as null since Germany has lost and is weakened) causes many Black League members to leave the Black League and sell out their leader's position to the victorious Russian government.
While the radicals view anything short of the extermination of the German people as unacceptable, and call the current government traitors.
I can see it turn out like the Jonestown Incident. You literally have people who see the Russian victory in the WRW2 as good enough who want to leave, but the devoted Black League members are stopping them, literally executing people trying to leave. (Just like in Jonestown when people refused to drink the Kool-Aid, where they were forced by Jim Jones' devoted followers to drink with Kool-Aid shoved down their throats.)
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@Baron Steakpuncher now that Stirling has been reworked, do you consider him to be in a better option than in your last list of best unifiers?
Stirling's rework still leaves him squarely in the bottom half of unifiers but now raises him somewhat above Birch.
So where before it was Stirling/Birch > Chesterton. Now its Stirling > Birch > Chesterton.
At least on some paths.
Yeah. Moskowien seems to always collapse now into warring states. That one is led by Mikhail Gorbachev and he forms a democratic Moscow government. It doesn't really matter who wins because Germany inevitably stomps them and reasserts control, but it is cool.
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I do really like how the Russian cities get renamed depending on who controls them. For example, Paulusburg gets renamed either Volgograd or Voroshilovgrad if the Soviets take it. I really look forward to when Moskowien gets content, should be pretty fun.
I'm hoping to see some of the Wolgastaat content brought back at some point. What particularly intrigues me is the notion of them drifting away from Germany and becoming democratic. Perhaps when the Second West Russian War happens, the Wolgastaat (or maybe the Volga Republic by that point) declares neutrality... or even outright betrays the Reich. After all, the culture indicators suggest that that region had become majority German, so restoring Russian control would mean a level of oppression that some of the Russian unifiers (I'm thinking someone like Sakharov or Men) would balk at.
Then, of course, there's my idea of having Ulrike Meinhoff (or another German communist) end up there and establish a Volga Socialist Republic.
Then, of course, there's my idea of having Ulrike Meinhoff (or another German communist) end up there and establish a Volga Socialist Republic.
I'll be blunt, the absolute nicest, kindest and least vengeful Russian Unifier? They would kick the Germans out of the Volga with about as much hesitation as breathing, and might let them keep their valuables whilst doing so.
The more ardently pissed off ones, would not bother to make sure the Germans had enough food for their long march to Germania.
The less said about what Omsk, Tukha or Yagoda would do, the better.
Just my thoughts on warlords.
Novosibirsk
The path of Novosibirsk Pokryshkin should turn into a fascist one after the consolidation of Central Siberia. The backbone of the Novosibirsk Federation is mega-corporations and farmers. Doesn't it look like anything?
I would say that a fascist regime is very likely. Worker uprisings immediately after the unification of the region will require the strengthening of the dictatorship, censorship and special services.
Further, a non-ideological dictatorship is a very unattractive regime for most citizens, and given its main support base - corporations and farmers, the choice of fascist corporatism and nationalism is most likely in the TNO world. As an alternative to socialism and Siberian anarchism popular with Siberian workers.
Siberian corporations will need to fight and defend themselves against Japanese and American goods and products. This will require some protectionism.
The main goal of Novosibirsk is the unification of Russia, like that of other warlords.
Summarizing all of the above - at the regional stage, Novosibirsk should become a fascist corporation with the ideology of Great Russian nationalism (the unification of all lands in order to expand its economic market for the goods of megacorporations). No Hitler nonsense like Rodzaevsky.
Perhaps it will be called the Siberian Union, which emphasizes its regional identity and at the same time is an allusion to the Soviet Union (SU).
This is how a flag could be. Green and white Siberian colors and an aggressive symbol in the center.
Slogans - "Siberia - the place of the Russian future", "Novosibirsk - the new heart of Great Russia", "The Russian future is in Siberia" "New Russia was reborn in the heart of Siberia", "Kiev-Petersburg-Moscow-Novosibirsk. Russian history continues." Etc.
The main vibe is technocratic fascism with corporations (maybe Robocop or Mirror's Edge) + modern Belarus with President Lukashenko.
Shushkin in this case will be the leader of the street opposition with thousands of rallies against "Siberian fascism".
An increase in socialist activity is also very likely even after an unsuccessful workers' uprising.
Novosibirsk
The path of Novosibirsk Pokryshkin should turn into a fascist one after the consolidation of Central Siberia. The backbone of the Novosibirsk Federation is mega-corporations and farmers. Doesn't it look like anything?
I would say that a fascist regime is very likely. Worker uprisings immediately after the unification of the region will require the strengthening of the dictatorship, censorship and special services.
Further, a non-ideological dictatorship is a very unattractive regime for most citizens, and given its main support base - corporations and farmers, the choice of fascist corporatism and nationalism is most likely in the TNO world. As an alternative to socialism and Siberian anarchism popular with Siberian workers.
Siberian corporations will need to fight and defend themselves against Japanese and American goods and products. This will require some protectionism.
The main goal of Novosibirsk is the unification of Russia, like that of other warlords.
Summarizing all of the above - at the regional stage, Novosibirsk should become a fascist corporation with the ideology of Great Russian nationalism (the unification of all lands in order to expand its economic market for the goods of megacorporations). No Hitler nonsense like Rodzaevsky.
Perhaps it will be called the Siberian Union, which emphasizes its regional identity and at the same time is an allusion to the Soviet Union (SU).
This is how a flag could be. Green and white Siberian colors and an aggressive symbol in the center.
Slogans - "Siberia - the place of the Russian future", "Novosibirsk - the new heart of Great Russia", "The Russian future is in Siberia" "New Russia was reborn in the heart of Siberia", "Kiev-Petersburg-Moscow-Novosibirsk. Russian history continues." Etc.
The main vibe is technocratic fascism with corporations (maybe Robocop or Mirror's Edge) + modern Belarus with President Lukashenko.
Shushkin in this case will be the leader of the street opposition with thousands of rallies against "Siberian fascism".
An increase in socialist activity is also very likely even after an unsuccessful workers' uprising.
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Also, realized something: Pugachev is probably seen as a national hero in TTL's Russia and I wouldn't be surprised if most non-socialist unifiers rename Yekaterinburg something along the lines of "Pugachevgrad".