The New Order: Last Days of Europe - An Axis Victory Cold War Mod for HoIIV
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There won't be a way for the commonwealth to recognize the Henry line as the main one, right?
brooklyn99
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Basically a Royal version of the Avignon Schism. I'd presume this would be explored in-depth at some future update?
If both nations are in the OFN, I'd assume the US will naturally be roped into this confusion as well? How will you suppose they'll react? I'll suppose that Bennett, out of all the Presidents, would be most determined to finding some compromise, naturally (if it's anyhow possible, that is) .
I finished Serov, and I was very impressed by it. I expected "lol nazbol", but I got a creepy mix of INGSOC and Juche, mostly Juche. It's my second favorite run I've done and very close to WerBell. What it lacks in over-the-top lightheartedness it replaces with the story of a brutal man's egotism and the machine he creates. It's not fine art or anything, but it was very good and much better than the nazbol gang shit I expected.
Currently doing Lydia of Kemerovo, on account of Yuriy's nice and wholesome socialist monarchy sounding kind of boring (plus, I just did a socialist nation).
Currently doing Lydia of Kemerovo, on account of Yuriy's nice and wholesome socialist monarchy sounding kind of boring (plus, I just did a socialist nation).
@Baron Steakpuncher I don’t know if this has been answered already, but why exactly is Prince Henry in the Kingdom of England and why is he willing to succeed Edward after his second abdication? Is he a collab trying to give the government more legitimacy with Edward gone, or is he a hostage who wasn’t able to escape with the rest of his family and is being forced to become the Collabs’ monarch against his will?
Just going to say wrt the England debate, especially comparing opinions here vs. on SV I've noticed a significant political divide on the issue of whether CPGB would have been better the HMMLR between left leaning and liberal democratic leaning TNO fans.
While both would agree that Nazism, fascism and the openly evil collaborators like Oktan and Chesterson are horrible, the former tends to sympathize with Panzer's intent to make the OFN not a good choice have a dim view of the more sympathetic collaborators, "centrist" democratic choices like Bennett, while praising the good socialist unifiers.
By contrast the latter are openly critical of making the OFN cursed on it's own, tends to sympathize with the morally gray or genuinely sympathetic collaborators or internal reformists like Vladimir, McMillian, Schmidt and to some extent Zykov, and balk at Thatcher's portrayal, while favoring the centre-leaning democratic options and pointing out critiques of good socialist unifiers.
While both would agree that Nazism, fascism and the openly evil collaborators like Oktan and Chesterson are horrible, the former tends to sympathize with Panzer's intent to make the OFN not a good choice have a dim view of the more sympathetic collaborators, "centrist" democratic choices like Bennett, while praising the good socialist unifiers.
By contrast the latter are openly critical of making the OFN cursed on it's own, tends to sympathize with the morally gray or genuinely sympathetic collaborators or internal reformists like Vladimir, McMillian, Schmidt and to some extent Zykov, and balk at Thatcher's portrayal, while favoring the centre-leaning democratic options and pointing out critiques of good socialist unifiers.
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Any idea how its on the discord?
Because AH is less left wing than SV and it might be just that?
The discord is a mixed bag, honestly. There are tons of people with a fairly wide range of differing viewpoints; Kaganovich stans to Shafarevich stans.
brooklyn99
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Not to mention the Black League stans.
TNO may have perhaps fallen a tad short on delivering it's message that Totalitarianism, genocide and ethnic hatred suck hellishly, when a disturbing amount of people go "But it's BASED when the other side does it tho!!!".
Since the old thread is nearing the big 500, I made a thread II: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-new-order-last-days-of-europe-thread-ii.508299/
I’ve also been seeing a lot of Serov Ordosocialist stans.
I hate how this community also crashes into YouTube videos of Russian songs just because they’re in a super event.
It's pretty hard to distinguish when it stop being a funny joke (i laugh my ass off the memes and when people ask about the dengist in reddit) and people begin to actually believe that these sort of ideas have some merits. I can understand why the people of the Black League think like that, but understanding is very different of accepting it as valid, great idea. Specially at the reddit, it seems that people, indeed, fail to understand the whole point about this mod.
Viola
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I think one also needs to distinguish between people who actually unironically stan for mass murders and don't understand that they're looking at authoritarian regimes because they're too enthralled by some ideology, and people who like awful authoritarian mass murders because they make for cool storylines in a video game, like the Black League: pretty damn horrifying when you think about it in real life terms, but fascinating in a very twisted way when you think about it as a video game.
It's a fine line, and if one isn't careful then he can easily go from the latter to the former, but I wouldn't start assuming that anyone saying "[Horrible Bad Person] is BASED" is speaking unironically.
Yeah, some people just like playing as the villain.
I for one find an appeal in playing over-the-top horrific routes such as Vagner, Velimir and Taboritsky.
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As I've said before regarding Gus Hall, thing is, I'd assume that the Reds will be more moderate ITTL than IOTL. I mean, just as the Burgundians are outside OTL's Overton Window, it stands to assume that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc are outside TTL's Overton Window.
(Edit: Well, there's Kaganovich, but what happens in Tyumen stays in Tyumen. Outside of the former USSR, the Reds wouldn't radicalize like they did IOTL. For starters, there are no state sponsors of extremist Communism playing OTL Comintern's role.)
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The problems goes back to the Bolsheviks and Lenin not Stalin.
Stalin just added social conservatism,more purges and at best amoral economic development.
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