The New Order: Last Days of Europe - An Axis Victory Cold War Mod for HoIIV

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Okay, I did the Russian Empire under Vladimir, and it was such a nice change from England. I didn't try to make a perfect Russia so much as a historically accurate Russia, so I went with the conservative democrats. I got what I expected, a Russian Empire straight out of Victoria II, but with a post-apocalyptic twist. I'd recommend the run, it's uplifting but feels very grounded and far from a perfect society. It wasn't my favorite run, it felt a little bit bland, but it was leagues better than Harold Wilson. At least the focuses weren't misspelled.

Doing Serov next.
Vyatka in general is really fun to play even if it's pretty op- in particular getting professional army before regional is insane, and the economic boosts can easily snowball.
 

chankljp

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Okay, I did the Russian Empire under Vladimir, and it was such a nice change from England. I didn't try to make a perfect Russia so much as a historically accurate Russia, so I went with the conservative democrats. I got what I expected, a Russian Empire straight out of Victoria II, but with a post-apocalyptic twist. I'd recommend the run, it's uplifting but feels very grounded and far from a perfect society. It wasn't my favorite run, it felt a little bit bland, but it was leagues better than Harold Wilson. At least the focuses weren't misspelled.
Two things that really gave me pause when it Tsar Vladimir's regime was the way in which during the regional warlord stage, the way that his government handles the other states in West Russia once his armies had defeated them. In particular, the way that he executes the WRRF's entire leadership, including Zhukov (Even if he wasn't directly mentioned by name, but as one of the most public figures of the WRRF, he would most certainly have been killed); Not to mention after conquering Komi, in order to erase Syktyvkar's status as a bastion of republicanism and turn them into loyal subjects of the restored Romanovs, the Tsarist forces would go out of his way to hunt down and destroy all constitutional documents, government records, and political writings published by the various political parties that once operated in the republic.

While I supposed that it is realistic for Tsar Vladimir's monarchy restoration, even a benevolent one, to require such actions to be taken... I cannot help but feel very uneasy about such extreme actions, at least that it made me question just how 'wholesome' even a LibDem Vyatka really is, if it was founded on a literally government ordered book burning against the defeated Komi Republic, and putting the only people that had fought back against the Nazis during the West Russian War to death.
 
While I supposed that it is realistic for Tsar Vladimir's monarchy restoration, even a benevolent one, to require such actions to be taken... I cannot help but feel very uneasy about such extreme actions, at least that it made me question just how 'wholesome' even a LibDem Vyatka really is, if it was founded on a literally government ordered book burning against the defeated Komi Republic, and putting the only people that had fought back against the Nazis during the West Russian War to death.
The Komi part is really tragic.
The second is perfectly understandable they would do the same to him and have in fact done the same to his family.
 
Ouch, his conservative rote doesn't ends censorship
I wasn't going for a blessed run, I was going for a traditionally Tsarist run, which that fit, so I was fine with it.
Two things that really gave me pause when it Tsar Vladimir's regime was the way in which during the regional warlord stage, the way that his government handles the other states in West Russia once his armies had defeated them. In particular, the way that he executes the WRRF's entire leadership, including Zhukov (Even if he wasn't directly mentioned by name, but as one of the most public figures of the WRRF, he would most certainly have been killed); Not to mention after conquering Komi, in order to erase Syktyvkar's status as a bastion of republicanism and turn them into loyal subjects of the restored Romanovs, the Tsarist forces would go out of his way to hunt down and destroy all constitutional documents, government records, and political writings published by the various political parties that once operated in the republic.

While I supposed that it is realistic for Tsar Vladimir's monarchy restoration, even a benevolent one, to require such actions to be taken... I cannot help but feel very uneasy about such extreme actions, at least that it made me question just how 'wholesome' even a LibDem Vyatka really is, if it was founded on a literally government ordered book burning against the defeated Komi Republic, and putting the only people that had fought back against the Nazis during the West Russian War to death.
That was all very morally dubious, but I'd seen worse in other runs and honestly I kind of just tuned it out. I sort of knew going in that Vyatka wasn't run by angels, you know?
 
That was all very morally dubious, but I'd seen worse in other runs and honestly I kind of just tuned it out. I sort of knew going in that Vyatka wasn't run by angels, you know?
Also they do this legally, instead of shoting Zhukov or Tukachevsky and his whole family into on a basement

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here is his Liberal route
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While I supposed that it is realistic for Tsar Vladimir's monarchy restoration, even a benevolent one, to require such actions to be taken... I cannot help but feel very uneasy about such extreme actions, at least that it made me question just how 'wholesome' even a LibDem Vyatka really is, if it was founded on a literally government ordered book burning against the defeated Komi Republic, and putting the only people that had fought back against the Nazis during the West Russian War to death.
Don't forget the fact that they are traitors to Russia for collaborating with the Nazis in the West Russian War and elements of their government (the NTS/Solidarists) are unwittingly assisting a conspiracy to destroy the world.
 
Also they do this legally, instead of shoting Zhukov or Tukachevsky and his whole family into on a basement

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That is true.
Don't forget the fact that they are traitors to Russia for collaborating with the Nazis in the West Russian War and elements of their government (the NTS/Solidarists) are unwittingly assisting a conspiracy to destroy the world.
Didn't Vladimir only collaborate because the Nazis had his family or something? Also, yeah, that's why I avoided the Solidarists. If you can forgive Samara, you can definitely forgive Vladimir.
 
Didn't Vladimir only collaborate because the Nazis had his family or something?
Yes, and his collaboration at time of the west Russian war was pretty much to break from the germans and then advance into the soviet territory to seize that land for himself, it was not like the ROA in Samara
 
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Yes, and his collaboration at time of the west Russian war was pretty much to break from the germans and then advance into the soviet territory to seize that land for himself, it was not like the ROA in Samara
Still, they helped contribute to the Russian defeat to the West Russian War, so there's that.
if it was founded on a literally government ordered book burning against the defeated Komi Republic
And to make it worse, the only elements of Komi's defeated regime they can incorporate are Sergey Taboritsky's followers. The same people who form the core of the Holy Russian Empire.
 

chankljp

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I was asking how the people you mentioned are seemingly trying their best to prove the two factions right.
Well, in the sense that under the outright insane and vile post-Tabby warlords, Russia would have literally went from one clearly deranged madman to another, putting even infamous OTL crazy despots such as Bokassa, Francisco Nguema, and Pol Pot to shame. To the point that people might honestly wonder if Russia really does need to be taken over and put under close supervision by a group of relatively benevolent foreigners to be able to have a chance at creating a country that is at least not a total nightmare hellscape (USSC)... Or that the vast majority of Russians simply do not deserve to live, since said insane regimes that came one after another must have had some form of widespread popular support in the general population in order to be able to unify the country in the first place (The Redeemed Black League).
 
To the point that people might honestly wonder if Russia really does need to be taken over and put under close supervision by a group of relatively benevolent foreigners to be able to have a chance at creating a country that is at least not a total nightmare hellscape (USSC)
His unification even embodies how fucked the Russian national identity is in the post-Tabby world.
After somehow restoring order across the country his biggest goule remains securing the people's freedom by denying self determination.
 
Still, they helped contribute to the Russian defeat to the West Russian War, so there's that.
Fair enought

A good thing that came from the WRRF defeat is the fact that other warlords can now take power and make a Russia that is considerably better than the WRRF. Had the WRRF won on the 1950s this new USSR would eventually collapse on the future as the bloated mess that is a autsoc government or continue living as a crippled state, thus by having it united by a more rational government, socialist or not, might result on a stronger Russia on the long run despite it taking 20 more years to unite it
 
His unification even embodies how fucked the Russian national identity is in the post-Tabby world.
After somehow restoring order across the country his biggest goule remains securing the people's freedom by denying self determination.
On that note, I would say the Central Eurasian Republic, the Trans-Ural Confederation, and the Autonomous Soviet Liberation Army also show it in how they seek to replace the Russian national identity with a "Eurasian" one and the Samarans also show it in how they are implied to emphasize a regional identity as "Samaran" over their Russian identity in how they have no ambition to reunite Russia in such a scenario.
 

chankljp

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His unification even embodies how fucked the Russian national identity is in the post-Tabby world.
Perhaps the USSC could be compared to people that look at OTL's post-USSR collapsed Russia under Yeltsin during the 1990s', with the economic shock therapy, the formation of the oligarchs, and foreign corporations and government alike effectively looting the place dry in exchange for pennies, and go, 'Wow! This must be some sort of perfect democratic utopia! We need to become that!'... And the scary thing being that it is actually a reasonable viewpoint to have given how post-Tabby Russia looks like.

A good thing that came from the WRRF defeat is the fact that other warlords can now take power and make a Russia that is considerably better than the WRRF. Had the WRRF won on the 1950s this new USSR would eventually collapse on the future as the bloated mess that is a autsoc government or continue living as a crippled state, thus by having it united by a more rational government, socialist or not, might result on a stronger Russia on the long run despite it taking 20 more years to unite it
Panzer once shared a hypothetical ATL in which the WRRF won the WRW... With the stage of the alternate TNO world actually looking even more grim compared to normal TNO, so there is certainly that to consider.
 

chankljp

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Never heard of that, where I can see it?
I have shared what he had come up with back in another post here in 2019, you can find it below:

Something I just saw over on the Reddit page posted by Panzer that I thought everyone here will find very interested:

An ATL for the TNO world in which West Russian Revolutionary Front emerges triumphant.... Sort of.

With a POD of Speidel's counter-coup against the SS failing, resulting in the SS attempting to overthrow Hitler... Only for the coup to also fail, hence sparking off the German Civil War years earlier, and throwing the entire Unity-Pakt into utter chaos while the Russians took advantage of the situation to push forward. This allowed the WRRF to not just push the Nazi out of Eastern Europe entirely, but march all the way to the gates of Germania itself, and laying siege to the Reich's capital.

In desperation, just as the Russians entered his 'Welthauptstadt', out of spite Hitler ordered the use of nuclear weapons, committing suicide by destroying the city and all the Russian forces surrounding it. With nukes also being deployed against targets across Western Russia (Though not nearly as extensive as one might expect, since the Nazi nuclear arsenal was not as well developed during the early 1950s, not to mention half the silos being controlled by the SS instead of Hitler's loyalist).

Hence, by the game's starting date in this ATL, you have the Russians controlling the eastern parts of Germany and large swaths of Central and Eastern Europe... Just barely, since the Front doesn't even control all of Russia and are already having a hard time even holding on to the parts of their homeland under their rule. Hence to say that they struggle in holding on to their new conquest will be an understatement.

Meanwhile, Himmler and the SS controls what is left German under the ATL version of the Burgundian System, while holding on to what is left of the Unity Pakt....

Overall, we will end up with a world that is no better off, if not actually worst off, compared to the one it diverged from.

I, for one, dread to even imagine what types of
unspeakable atrocities they Russian would have most likely committed across the parts of Central and Eastern Europe that they control, not just out of vengeance, but also simply to survive as unlike the OTL Soviet Union, they don't even have anything resembling a industrial base or an economy left anymore. The same goes for the rump Nazi Reich under the rule of Himmler, looting all of Western Europe dry in an attempt build-up enough strength to repel the 'Slavic hoards' out of the Fatherland.

It does make me wonder how the United States and OFN would react to all of this....
 
Still, they helped contribute to the Russian defeat to the West Russian War, so there's that.
I really don't know how much you can say that; as I understand it the WRRF was already falling apart before Vladimir entered the picture, and as I understand it he only led a single division that pretty much did end up just carving out some land in an already collapsing alliance.

Speaking of which, I honestly think that the WRRF getting as far as they do against Germany doesn't make much sense based on what we see of the military strength and the economic development of the western Russian warlords. I don't want it reworked or anything, but I have trouble seeing the WRRF able to actually seriously threaten German hegemony at this point.
 
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