The NEW Countries Of An Alternate World Thread

[Monopolist]

The Confederation of Indigenous American Tribes

Commonly Known As: CIAT
Capital: Sioux City
Population: 100 million
Land Area: 2000 miles
Main Export(s): Wheat, corn, and other agricultural things. Lots of pork, beef, and dairy too. The chief food capital in the world.
Government: Republic; the five main tribes (Sioux, Seminole, Cherokee, Iroquois, and Navejo) elect chiefs, and elect a leader out of the five.
Land Encompassing: Great Plains area; west of US, north of Texas, south of Winnipeg and east of Rocky mountains,
Religion: 46% Catholic, 34% Protestant/Methodist/Anglican, 20% Traditional Beliefs
History: After the nations mentioned before in the Americas were created from former European colonists, they begin to obviously expand their respective nations. As known many of them don't want Native Americans living on their lands, they further push them into a central, large area: the Great Plains. By the Great North American War, many of these nations wanted to expand there too. The Natives decide to bond together and fight, knowing there really was no other option, and fought back with outstanding resiliance. Too preoccupied in there war with "superior" other European descended nations, they ignore the new democracy. After the war, many of those nations tried once again to push into the Confederacy, but the CIAT has always managed to perservere. Sitting Bull in fact even managed to succeessfully invade and occupy American and Texan lands at one point, but upon his death in battle, fell back to it's current borders. It is strongly discriminated against by the other North American nations outside of Massachusetts, similar to OTL Israel to the Arabs.

 

[Domoviye]

The Confederation of Indigenous American Tribes

Capital: Sioux City
Population: 16 million
Land Area: 2000 miles
Land Encompassing: Great Plains area; west of US, north of Texas, south of Winnipeg and east of Rocky mountains,
Religion: 46% Catholic, 34% Protestant/Methodist/Anglican, 20% Traditional Beliefs
History: After the Trail of Tears, many Cherokee, Seminoles, and other tribes, are sent to Oklahoma. During the American Civil War, OTL Oklahoma (then Cherokee Nation) decides to become it's own nation. Soon, the new nation rapidly expands northwards, conquering Kansas. The United States, too involved in the Civil War, doesn't do much about it. Sitting Bull allies with the nation and eventually joins the confederacy. The United States after the war tries to retake it's land, but the confederacy under the leadership of Sitting Bull successfully repels the invaders. The US finally accepts the nation by 1880. Ever since, many wars have been fought between the two nations, but neither has conquered the other, though the United States has come very close.

I like this country, but check the rules you must try to follow the history already posted. So no American Civil War, but a few American Wars. Change it to fit the history better, have it fight some nastier North American Nation/s and it will do well.

 

[Nusantara]

Guys, these nations are too big - Hawaii, Carthage, and the EU are way too powerful. We agreed to keep it small.

 

[Domoviye]

Guys, these nations are too big - Hawaii, Carthage, and the EU are way too powerful. We agreed to keep it small.

I was worried a little about Hawaii but its mostly just small islands plus Alaska. So it covers a wide area, but in terms of landmass is quite small.

 

[Zuvarq]

Guys, these nations are too big - Hawaii, Carthage, and the EU are way too powerful. We agreed to keep it small.

The Republic of Euro is too powerful but Japan, Russia, Vinland, and Oceanica are not? Make up your mind.

 

[Ikaika]

I don't see Hawaii as too powerful as it's a regional power on it's way out, but Japan and Ocenia both bother me as does Russia a bit

 

[Nusantara]

The Republic of Euro is too powerful but Japan, Russia, Vinland, and Oceanica are not? Make up your mind.

What do you mean make up my mind, I was just stating some nations taht are too powerful. I didn't say that they were the only ones that were.

 

[The Kiat]

Well looks like I didn't finish my map in time. Here it is anyway because I don't want to feel like my efforts have been wasted. I took a few artistic liberites with some borders, so feel free to rail me for any mistakes

I like this map better... except I think Abyssinia should be orange, but that's just me.

 

[JC Shurtleff]

Republic of Zion

Land: OTL Utah, western Colorado, Idaho, western Wyoming, western Montana, Washington
Population: 17.5 million
Official Language: English,
Religion: 68% LDS, 19% Jewish, 11% Other Christian
Capital: Salt Lake City
Government: Representative Democracy
Head of State: President Nathaniel Young
Industries: mining, agriculture, lumber, oil production, banking, aviation, arms production
Currency: Zion Dollar
GNP: 542 billion
Per Capita: 31,000$
Literacy: 93%
Military: Army 220,000, Navy 38,000 Air Force 44,000.
Compulsory service in National Legions (National Guard) 900,000
Allies: Empire of Hawaii, Kingdom of Comacheria, Domain of [FONT=&quot]Columbia[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]




History: After the long migration of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day-saints, from then US territory to the Salt Lake valley in the early 1840s, Brigham Young declared the formation of the State of Deseret in 1845. New Spain forces quickly marched to quash this new state in its sparsely populated north. After a few months of fighting the Mormon settlements were occupied by the New Spain forces, but it would soon be mute as the advent of the First North American war would see the forces of New Spain withdrawn to fight in the war. Young seeing a opportunity to help finance the continued migration of church members soon began acting as the middle man to run arms to the Kingdom of Comancheria, as many States had forbidden the selling of arms to Native Americans. This deal was only made possible by the help of Jewish bankers in St. Louis and would create the first ties between the Mormon and Jewish communities. New Spain would try twice more to reclaim its lost territory before it finally lost its common border with Deseret to the Kingdom of Comacheria.

The 1860’s would see some of the worst pogroms in Europe of the last two hundred years. Joshua Goldstein of New York whose father had made the first deal with Brigham Young, upon hearing of the death of his aunt in Paris during the recent Pogroms would personally seek out Brigham Young and eventually create the Exodus fund, a fund in which any Mormon convert or Jew could access to gain aide to move to Deseret. With the encouragement of Brigham Young and the spread of the Mormon missioners around the world, close to 250,000 Jews and 400,000 Mormon converts were able to migrate to Deseret by 1880. By 1880 well close to a million lived in the colonies of Deseret from the Grand Canyon to the frozen Domains of the north covering the entire inter mountain west.

Up till the 1880’s the LDS Church retained firm control within the ever expanding borders of Deseret, but with the completion of the first two trains continental rail roads through its territory and is population calling for some say in it’s national policy the Church called for a Constitutional convention in 1879, the Republic of Zion would be born of this as of January, 1, 1881.

Borders disputes with the The Qing Colonial Empire would lead to war in 1889 in which much of the great western desert(Nevada ) was lost but the sparsely populated north west was gained and is now the State of Young that makes up one of the four states of the Republic of Zion and its only port.

The advent of the twentieth century would see the Republic in 2 world wars and one regional war but would also see its growth to a modern nation state in wealth and industry and it’s joining of The Club of 12, it would end the century know as the “Arsenal of Democracy”.

 

[Iserlohn]

Oceanica is, just like Hawaii mostly just a geopolitical entity. Yeah, I know that it does span both Australia and New Zeeland and I know that both countries are pretty strong when combined. But really, it has a GNP of only 662 billion $ currently, compared to Japan that is very weak imo.

But because I'm such a good person, I will officially remove Western Australia from Oceanica! Make whatever you want with it. I suggest a Aboriginal Republic or something like that.

Oh, and btw: When I described Papua, I was referring to the whole of OTL's Papua-New Guinea, including the islands like New Britain, New Hanover; Bougainville and all the other islands on Papua-New Guinea's side.

PS:
I am also currently working on my 4th country. Africa is going to loose empty space!

 

[Domoviye]

Ok, since there may be some problems with some countries being too large, would people who made the largest countries consider decreasing the size a little? If people want I can get rid of a number of the Pacific Islands the Hawaii Empire controls.
And how about from now on we keep countries land mass, to about 1/4 the size of OTL USA.
Does that sound fair.

JC I like Zion, cool idea. But I think it wouldn't be able to fight the California Bear Republic, the Qing Colony is probably in the way. So you might want to change the enemy to the Qing.

Edit: Thank you Iserlohn.

 

[Nusantara]

I've made a couple changes to the map, and the nation below is in Sumatra, and developing. I will also edit my former nations to include their GDP, exports, etc.

Something else I suggest is not making every nation the most powerful nation in the world. I think moth nations that have their GDP posted is about 30,000 or more, though I did see some 20,000 nations. I'm just saying we should make some developing or third world nations - were not trying to create a Utopia here

Republiki Padang Urang Awak
The Republic of Padang Urang Awak
Padang

Language: Boso Minangkabau, Malay, English
Population: 5,385,000(approximation)
Capital: Sawahlunto
Government: Constitutional Republic
Head of State: Yusof bin Ishak
Religion: Islam (81%), Anglican (13%), Animist (6%)
Territory: OTL Province of West Sumatra, parts of East Sumatra
Independence: 1961
Exports: Coal, Rice, Palm Oil, Coconut Products, Lumber
GDP: 30,332
Per Capita: 5,632 USD
Literacy Rate: 94%
Military: Army (43,000), Navy (13,000), Air Force (3,000)
Allies: Britain, Aceh, Oceanea

History
Pre-1900
The sparsely populated western coast of Sumatra was suddenly became part of the East Indies 'coal rush' in the mid-1800's, as British colonists and Indonesian locals both made companies to mine this item - which was vital to the regions economy. Villages were made into cities and a port large enough for large ships was created by the British.

Post-1900
In 1908 the Minangkabau people voiced calls for independence, supported by the Acehnese. However, this revolt was quickly put down. In 1958 peaceful demonstrations led by journalist Yusof bin Ishak succeeded in the making of the Republic of Padang Urang Awak. Meanwhile, the People's Communist Republic of the Minangkabau led by Tan Malaka to the north and east of the nation threatened to destabilize the whole region. Bin Ishak, aided by the British and Acehense, invaded the nation and took it under his control.

As of 2009 Padang is a developing nation with a similar GDP and population, as OTL Turkmenistan

 

[Iserlohn]

Okay, next nation!

Merina

Land: OTL's Madagascar; Mauritius; Reuion (OTL French); Mayonette (OTL French); Comoros
Population: 22.5 million
Official Language: French; Malagasy
Secondary Languages: English; Arabic; Hindi
Capital: Antananarivo
Government: Military Dictatorship
Head of State: Supreme Colonel Albert Camille Vital
Currency: Merinan ariary
Industries: agriculture; forestry; textile industry; small trade
Import: food; vehicles; electronics; weapons; tourism; oil; coal
Export: lumber; textiles; spices (most notably vanilla); tea
Trade: limited
GDP: 21,875,000,000$
Per Capita: 875$
Religion: Various forms of Christianity 35%; Islam 20%; Hinduism 10%; animist 30%; miscellaneous 15%
Education: Universal, compulsive. Graduation of secondary school rate at 32%.
Literacy: 75%
Military: small army; small navy; small and outdated airforce
Conscription: yes
Anticipated average life: 65.8 years

History: When France tried to invade Madagascar in 1883, the forces of the Kingdom of Merina managed to fight back and defeat the French army and gain some of the French colonies nearby, but also accept to let French settle on the island. However, the kingdom declined under the rule of King Andriamanantena I and the military took over under the young Colonel Albert Camille Vital, who was from French-Malagasian descent, and established a militarist dictatorship in 1972.

 

[JC Shurtleff]

Kingdom of the Rio Plata

Land: OTL Uruguay and the southern most tip of Brazil
Population: 3.5 million
Official Language: Spanish
Religion: 89% Catholic, 10% Other Christian
Capital: Montevideo
Government: Monarchy
Head of State: KingJose Cabrera Artigas IX
Industries: Ranching, agriculture, lumber,
Currency: Plata
GNP: 40 billion
Per Capita: 11,428
Literacy: 73%
Military: Army 80,000, Navy 10,000 Air Force 4,000.

History: Pre 1900: Artigas leads a successful rebellion against Spain in the early 1800, and establishes the Republic of the Rio Plata, upon his death his son leads a civil war in which much of the territory is loss but for what currently constitutes the borders of the Kingdom, by 1840 the Kingdom of the Rio Plata is formed as an absolute monarchy.

Post 1900: The Kingdoms only real source of wealth lays it its massive and world famous beef industry, and at times has made the Kingdom quit wealthy. The world now knows The Kingdom as a place loss in time, as one will find outside of Montevideo ( the counties only real city and center of its wealth) a nation with few paved worlds and little of the modern luxuries.

 

[Domoviye]

Baronies Canada

Land: OTL Southern Ontario (From Lake Superior a little north of Lake Huron and straight to the border of Vinland)
Population: 10.2 million
Official Language: Canadian French Dialect (heavily mixed with Huron)
Capital: Ville-Marie (approximately OTL Greater Toronto Area)
Government: Hereditary Council, Council elected Council General
Council General: Madame Charest
Currency: Canadian Franc
Industries: agriculture, finances, mining.
Import: most manufactured goods, lumber, steel, fish.
Export: large amount of nickel, minor amounts of other metals, food.
Trade: Free trade agreement with the Northern Territories, good to moderate trade relations with most of the world.
GNP: 49.8 billion
Per Capita: $13,400
Religion: State religion Roman Catholic
Education: Universal, compulsive up to grade 8. Secondary school graduation rate 78%. College graduates 34%
Literacy: 83%
Military: Conscript army, poorly trained, poorly led, poorly armed.

History: When the USA revolted the French Colony of Canada remained loyal. Many French loyalists from the southern colonies fled to the safe haven during and immediately after the war. With the sudden influx of refugees, the French government divided Canada into individual colonies each controlled by a Baron. Theses Baronies were ruled by a Council chosen by France.
After the French Revolution, Canada declared its loyalty to the French Monarchy and refused to acknowledge the Revolutionary government. When the French Monarchy was reinstated the loyal Barons were awarded more independence.
After the French monarchy fell again in 1898, Canada declared independence. The Council was no longer controlled by France, instead the hereditary Barons each held a seat and bargained amongst each other to choose a General who would arbitrate disputes and hold the deciding vote within the Council and amongst individual Baronies.
This system has resisted all change for over 100 years.
The country itself is inefficient, which explains its 2nd world status, except in terms of police enforcement, and investment. The Baronies is a tax haven for the entire world. Any money put into Canada is for all intent and purposes untraceable. This allows the Barons to maintain a lavish lifestyle and give just enough handouts to the public to keep them barely satisfied.

 

[Splatter123]

okay third world and developing nations, all connected to Denmark of course

NORSE IRELAND

Capitol - Belfast
Population - 1,567,892
Religion - Christian(Protestant and Catholic), Norse
Language - English, Gaelic, Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic, Norse
Land Area - OTL North Ireland plus Ireland's Donegal county

The Danish needed a port closer to their Vinland Colony that was easier accessible than Greenland, but due to England's power they decided it better not to fight them. So they invaded North Ireland, an area England had not conquered. The Irish resisted fiercely, so the Danish stayed in the North and expanded no further.

Later Norse Ireland was used by the Danish to watch Europe and England, during the World Wars it was used by the Danish to invade Europe, to do this though they conquered the rest of Ireland, today Norse Ireland is on good terms with the UNNN and Denmark, making it the most stable of the Irish nations, but it is still fraught with terrorism from people wanting to unite all of Ireland.

EAST IRELAND

Capitol - Drogheda
Population - 1,009,876
Religion - Christian (Predominantly Protestant, but their are Catholics)
Language - English, Gaelic
Land Area - small northern section bordering Southern Norse Ireland

After Ireland was conquered by the Danish during the World Wars Ireland was split in two to end the religious turmoil in the country, so the country was split in two forming East and West Ireland, the East became the haven for Protestants and the West for Catholics (kinda like what happened with OTL India and Pakistan). Since then their have been many wars between the three sections of Ireland.

WEST IRELAND

Capitol - Dublin
Population - 2, 678, 902
Religion - Christian (Predominantly Catholic, Protestants are persecuted and usually flee to East Ireland)
Language - English, Gaelic
Land Area - Whats left of Ireland

After Ireland was conquered by the Danish during the World Wars Ireland was split in two to end the religious turmoil in the country, so the country was split in two forming East and West Ireland, the East became the haven for Protestants and the West for Catholics (kinda like what happened with OTL India and Pakistan). Since then their have been many wars between the three sections of Ireland.


MAP...COMMING

 

[Iserlohn]

Okay, creative phase:

Socialist-Islamic Republic of Egypt

Land: OTLs Egypt; the parts of OTLs Lybia not claimed by Carthage; the parts of OTLs Sudan not claimed by Abyssinia and Darfur
Population: 139 million
Official Language: Arabic; English
Capital: Cairo
Government: Socialist Republic
Head of State: President Sayed El Qemany
Currency: Egyptian gineih
Industries: agriculture; mining; light industry; small trade
Import: food; vehicles; tourism; consumer electronics
Export: clothes; wool; oil; weat; tobacco; olives; dates; figs; peanuts; copper; chrome; zinc; wolfram; silver; gold
Trade: Africa; Mediterranean Sea; Arabian pennisula
GDP: 347,500,000,000$
Per Capita: 2,500$
Religion: Muslims 87%; Coptic Christs 7%; miscellaneous 6%
Education: Federal, compulsive. Graduation of secondary school rate at 72%, tertiary school rate at 31%. 7 universities.
Literacy: 89%
Military: strong armed forces; small navy and airforce
Conscription: no
Anticipated average life: 69.4 years

History: After the British occupied Egypt, the Egyptian Socialist Movement was founded in 1882 to prepare a modernization of the country. The Socialists fought over the control over the country against the Wafd and finally won. In 1919 the Socialists took over the full control and declared independence, but the new nation continued with their relationship with Britain. They also established good relationships to the SSRS.

PS: Think of it as a more democratic and better functioning Lybia

 

[Domoviye]

Alba Nuadh (Gaelic for New Scotland)
Commonly called Alba

Land: OTL Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and PEI.
Population: 5 million
Official Language: Gaelic
Capital: Eidyn (OTL Charlottetown)
Government: Republic
President: Paul Rankin
Currency: Alba Dollar
Industries: agriculture, coal, ship building, automobile manufacturing, fishing.
Import: Luxery items, information technology, textiles.
Export: fish, coal, low cost automobiles, ships of all kinds, potatoes.
Trade: Free trade agreement with Celtic Union, almost no trade with Danish countries.
GNP: 50 billion
Per Capita: $16,200
Religion: 46% Irish Celtic, 21% Celtic Druidism, 30% Celtic, 3% other
Education: Universal, compulsive. Secondary school graduation rate 75%. College graduates 44%
Literacy: 87%
Military: Volunteer, Large navy, small army, motivated and heavily trained, but after WW3 it lost most of its experienced officers and soldiers. Trying to rebuild its fleet, currently limited blue water capabilities.

History: Alba was a joint effort by the various Celtic countries which at the time included Ireland in 1567. It was successful, and became an important colony for the isolated Celtic community.
When the 1870's industrial revolution of Ireland occured, the coal of Alba fueled the factories and the ships, and the iron works of Alba built the ships as well. When the Celtic countries in the Home Islands banned manufacturing within their borders, Alba and Ireland sold them the necessary goods. Ireland provided the muscles, the Nation of Druids and the Pictish Kingdoms provided the soul, Alba provided the resources. It was a golden age for the Celtic Union
But all good things must come to an end.
In WW2, the Danes focused much of their attention on Ireland expanding from their foothold in Northern Ireland. Ireland fell after having much of its infrastructure destroyed. The Celtic people of Ireland fled and were expelled to make way for the colonizers of the Invaders.
Many of them fled to Alba.
Today Alba is overcrowded, with most of its land providing housing, or farmland. There aren't enough jobs for everyone, so the standard of living is much lower than it should be, even though the country is not poor.
Too make matter worse, it is still recovering from WW3 when the Alban Youths went off to war trying to recover the lost territory of Ireland. The ones who went to sea didn't even reach the Irish shore before their ships were sunk. The ones who stayed to defend their homes died holding the border against Vinland.

 

[NakedHistory]

Republic of Canton
Gwangdung Min Gwok

Land: OTL Guangdong Province, Hainan Island, Macau, Hong Kong
Population: 131 million
Official Language: Cantonese, Hakka, Hainanese, English, Portuguese
Capital and Largest City: Guangzhou (Canton City)
Financial Capital: Shenzhen
Government: Republic
Head of State: President Guo Jing Jing
Currency: Canton Dollar
Industries: heavy industry; financial services; logistics; tourism; agriculture
Import: food; manufacturing inputs; raw materials; oil/gas
Export: textiles; white goods; automobiles; ships; electronics
Trade: East and Southeast Asia; Europe; North America; Australasia
GNP: 2.29tr$
Per Capita: 17,500$
Religion: Buddhism/Confucianism/Taoism 82%, Christianity 8.5%, Islam 4%
Literacy: 98%
Military: comparable to OTL Taiwan
Conscription: no
Anticipated average life: 77.2 years

History: After the third Opium War, Great Britain was ceded the entirety of Guangdong Province (including Hainan island) in perpetuity. It initially became an independent Commonwealth realm with a shared monarch in the early 1960's, but opted to become a republic following the scandalous divorce of the crown prince back in England. At the dissolution of the Portuguese Empire in the 1970's, the people of Macau negotiated joining as a special autonomous region rather than going it alone. Known as the "Workshop of the World," the Pearl River Delta is the main manufacturing site of most of the world's consumer electronics, white goods, and automobiles. Shenzhen, along with New York, is the world's foremost financial hub.




(I know this overlaps with the Japan-centred country mentioned in a previous post, but I thought that was too big and preempts most possible countries in China)

 

[Jack London]

The Kingdom of Wales

Population- 4 million in Wales 8 million in the Liberian Colony
Language- Welsh
Religion- 60% Christian 40% Celtic Druidism
Currency- Welsh Pound
Territory- the rest of Wales and OTL Liberia
Government- Monarchy (current King Llywelyn IX)
Exports- Coal, metals and minerals, Wool and livestock.
Capital- Cardiff

History- Because there was no strong unified Britain the Welsh were never conquered as a result the Princes of Wales survived throughout history. The Kingdom was an influential kingdom across the British Isles throughout the centuries. Though in the 16th century it was overrun by Celts it soon overthrew them and conquered their northern enemy, until the nation of the druid’s regained independence in 1791. During the age of colonialism the Kingdom managed to gain a colony in Liberia, which it retains today though it has had a devolved parliament since 1977. Today the kingdom is a minor power in Europe mainly a trading nation, selling its coal, metals and minerals to their continental brethren. Its greatest continental ally used to be the Celtic kingdom of Brittany until the French Holocaust of Celts during the last half of the 19th and early 20th century. Though the country is fairly stable a few terrorist groups exist, the nationalist front of Wales that wants to reunite all of Wales and destroy the Celtic religion. It has always had a great tension with the nation of the Druids and has had many wars over the years with them but has come to peace with them since the early 20th century going so far as to allow some counties become part of the Celtic union.



The official list of nations in the Celtic union so far are

The Nation of the Druids
The Pictish Kingdoms
Groups within the British Commonwealth
Groups within the United States of America
Alba Nuadh
The counties of Brecknockshire and Pembrokeshire in the Kingdom of Wales